Author Topic: Effects of the Heresy of Denying Baptism of Desire (Read 34000 times)

SJB · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2014, 08:53:03 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Is God bound by the use of water in conferring the Sacramental character of water? Hey, SJB, you are BINDING God if you say that the Sacramental character CANNOT be conferred without the pouring of water. You stupid dishonest buffoon. Go take a Logic 101 course before you try to argue theology.

The Sacrament is administered by humans. Yes the Sacrament requires water. We are required to use water.

I have quoted the theologians, while you, like a truly arrogant buffoon, have done your own theology. You have yet to quote one single source for the crap you spill onto these threads.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:00:45 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Quote from: Ladislaus
Is God bound by the use of water in conferring the Sacramental character of water? Hey, SJB, you are BINDING God if you say that the Sacramental character CANNOT be conferred without the pouring of water. You stupid dishonest buffoon. Go take a Logic 101 course before you try to argue theology.

The Sacrament is administered by humans. Yes the Sacrament requires water. We are required to use water.

I have quoted the theologians, while you, like a truly arrogant buffoon, have done your own theology. You have yet to quote one single source for the crap you spill onto these threads.

So you are, as Ambrose said, BINDING GOD by "the externals", aren't you? God is not BOUND. God BINDS. So this is a completely disingenuous argument with gnostic, Protestant, heretical overtones.

andysloan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:04:08 AM »

To Ladislaus

You said:

"Firstly, we are talking about extended BoD and not BoD proper"

Our Lord said:

"I poured from it Blood and Water, to show you the baptism of water, which is received in virtue of the Blood. I also showed the baptism of love in two ways, first in those who are baptized in their blood, shed for Me, which has virtue through My Blood, even if they have not been able to have Holy Baptism, and also in those who are baptized in fire, not being able to have Holy Baptism, but desiring it with the affection of love.
"

What do you mean "we are talking about extended BOD and not BOD proper?"

You said:

"Secondly, material like this cannot be used to form dogma."

The doctrine of original sin was defined through the writings of St Augustine, who was only a theologian. This is a dictation directly from God!

You know you are wriggling to support your position, which is dishonest.

Ecclesiasticus 32:21

"A sinful man will flee reproof, and will find an excuse according to his will."

It seems just that if your position is maintained, that Almighty God at your judgement, should permit all those who have expended so much effort in the face of your defiance, to witness your shame, having upheld your own ego above the truth.

Shame on you!!

SJB · « **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:17:29 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: SJB
Quote from: Ladislaus
Is God bound by the use of water in conferring the Sacramental character of water? Hey, SJB, you are BINDING God if you say that the Sacramental character CANNOT be conferred without the pouring of water. You stupid dishonest buffoon. Go take a Logic 101 course before you try to argue theology.

The Sacrament is administered by humans. Yes the Sacrament requires water. We are required to use water.

I have quoted the theologians, while you, like a truly arrogant buffoon, have done your own theology. You have yet to quote one single source for the crap you spill onto these threads.

So you are, as Ambrose said, BINDING GOD by "the externals", aren't you? God is not BOUND. God BINDS. So this is a completely disingenuous argument with gnostic, Protestant, heretical overtones.

Are you really that stupid, Ladi? God has bound us thru HIS Church, yet God's grace is not bound by the Sacraments. That does not degrade the Sacraments or "bind" God to the Sacraments.

Show us a source for the drivel you post here or shut up.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2014, 09:41:17 AM »

Quote from: SJB

Are you really that stupid, Ladi? God has bound us thru HIS Church, yet God's grace is not bound by the Sacraments. That does not degrade the Sacraments or "bind" God to the Sacraments.

Again, SJB, you need a Logic 101 course.

If God has bound US in such a way that we cannot be saved without Sacramental Baptism, this doesn't mean that God IS BOUND. But this not change the fact that Sacramental Baptism is necessary for salvation, not because God IS BOUND, but because God HAS BOUND us to it. So the "God not being bound" argument simply does not apply to the question of whether the Sacraments are necessary for salvation. In fact, if you try to twist it backwards the way you do, you are HERETICALLY REJECTING THE NECESSITY OF THE SACRAMENTS FOR SALVATION AS TAUGHT BY TRENT. So you need to dump this stupid argument ASAP. That's why I said that it was heretical when Ambrose used it.