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Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
« on: December 18, 2023, 09:58:52 PM »
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  • I’m not even sure if “without hosiery” is the correct term to refer to wearing heels with nothing on your feet, or if you would say “barefooted”. I don’t know, I’m a man and I’m not familiar with the terminology here. 

    What I do wonder is if someone knows whether this was allowed before Vatican 2. 

    It’s one thing to have nothing on your feet and wear those ugly sandals that are all broad, with thick soles and usually made of leather, you know like the ones you see religious people wear. I’m not talking about those. I’m talking about heels and other flat footed shoes/sandals that are very “attractive” and showcase the feet (assuming they have nice feet). It seems to me this is just not appropriate for Mass because it seems sensual, showing off flesh. 

    I’ve noticed younger girls wear the same kind of heels/open shoes but with hosiery with lace and stuff and that actually looks nice, not in a sensual way. 

    Anyway, hope this wasn’t too awkward. 


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2023, 10:10:14 PM »
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  • You're looking down in order to practice custody of the eyes and lo and behold naked feet!
    I feel for ya buddy. Sometimes it seems like a guy just can't win. :cowboy:


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2023, 10:23:40 PM »
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  • As far as I know, the Church has never condemned barefeet.

    It is very difficult sometimes to draw a line and separate what is feminine and what is immodest. There is a question of culture and custom too.

    I have a liking female feet, but, for me at least, ugly sandals won't make me uninterested. Nice feet are nice feet, no matter the woman is wearing.

    Feet are not considered indecent, as you can see on every Moral Theology manual.

    If you have a particular attraction to them, you need to find a way and work around it.

    Women are usually not wearing indecent clothes at mass, so, you might be safer looking up than down. It is not like they are wearing bikinis and the only safe place to look is the ground.

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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2023, 10:53:38 PM »
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  • I’m not even sure if “without hosiery” is the correct term to refer to wearing heels with nothing on your feet, or if you would say “barefooted”. I don’t know, I’m a man and I’m not familiar with the terminology here.

    What I do wonder is if someone knows whether this was allowed before Vatican 2.

    It’s one thing to have nothing on your feet and wear those ugly sandals that are all broad, with thick soles and usually made of leather, you know like the ones you see religious people wear. I’m not talking about those. I’m talking about heels and other flat footed shoes/sandals that are very “attractive” and showcase the feet (assuming they have nice feet). It seems to me this is just not appropriate for Mass because it seems sensual, showing off flesh.

    I’ve noticed younger girls wear the same kind of heels/open shoes but with hosiery with lace and stuff and that actually looks nice, not in a sensual way.

    Anyway, hope this wasn’t too awkward.
    Before Vat II women wouldn't have been caught dead in any kind of shoe without hosiery.
    When I see it now I think it looks very crude.
    That being said, remember Our Blessed Mother appeared at Lourdes bare foot albeit she had a golden rose on each foot.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2023, 11:03:20 PM »
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  • Of all the things to think about when going to Mass, whether a woman has stockings on or not is ridiculous.   Let's worry if a man is wearing a tie or not. PAY ATTENTION TO THE ALTAR & NOT THE WOMEN.


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #5 on: December 18, 2023, 11:17:54 PM »
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  • Before Vatican Ii, we wore scarves or hats, gloves, modest dresses, stockings and what used to called court shoes (I think).

    I prefer to wear less formal but modest clothing. I see no issue with wearing sandals. I agree with this post. 

    Of all the things to think about when going to Mass, whether a woman has stockings on or not is ridiculous.  Let's worry if a man is wearing a tie or not. PAY ATTENTION TO THE ALTAR & NOT THE WOMEN.
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #6 on: December 18, 2023, 11:49:48 PM »
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  • This matter is culturally relative, unless your notion of the Church is solely 1950s USA.

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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #7 on: December 18, 2023, 11:57:34 PM »
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  • Sandals are considered casual attire so I don't think they should be worn to church.  Would you wear sandals to meet a king?

    This idea tho of 'forbidding' certain types of clothing in church is a bit strange.  If you're a Catholic you should know how to dress.  I've never heard of a church forbidding certain clothing - unless it's N.O.  - they do some strange things.

    Regarding the original question -- were there guards at the door to check what women were wearing & what was 'allowed'?  Who determined what was 'allowed'?  Did they turn women away if they weren't wearing hose?  


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #8 on: December 19, 2023, 01:06:27 AM »
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  • :facepalm:  Have you some sort of foot fetish? 👣 Or is there a particular female who shows too much leg? Perhaps it’s time to fix your gaze elsewhere!  🦵🏾🦵🏾 👀 ????

    I think I read somewhere that Padre Pio made women wear solid colored thick stockings to the top of the thigh, bloomers, and hemlines at least 8” below the bottom of the knee.  (How such a thing could be monitored beyond the hem length, however, I don’t know unless God told him.)  
    No, I do not recall there being Padre Pio rules in place pre-V2.  

    I CAN say that women and girls generally wore some kind of hosiery for Mass or dress-up  unless one’s skirt was fairly long. Little girls wore tights, knee socks, or bobby socks. Older girls and women wore stockings, pantyhose, or knee-highs. Casual sandals like flip-flops, play shoes, or sneakers, just weren’t worn to Mass.  The same applied to men.  Unless you were a member of a discalced religious order, men didn’t wear sandals to Mass.  As for seeing men’s legs, that was never an issue because all but very young boys wore long pants.  If a young boy wore shorts, they were part of a suit and always included knee socks and shoes, such as one still sees in some Caribbean countries.  

    If the people come to Mass with too much leg showing, flip-flops or recreational footwear, short skirts or shorts on men and boys, do speak with your priest.  In the meantime, keep your eyes on the altar, your missal, and your Rosary!  


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #9 on: December 19, 2023, 01:12:00 AM »
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  • In my experience, this is something that has only crept in in the last 30 years or so.
    Before that, it just didn't happen, or rarely so. Similarly with men wearing jeans.
    Neither were considered appropriate dress standards before the King of Kings.
    I recall my shock when it first started happening among the younger generations.
    I think there can also be a modesty issue, especially when not only the feet but a good part of the legs are revealed. A higher standard of modesty is required in the church. That's my opinion.
    Certainly some of the female religious orders are discalced, but they do not reveal their legs.
    It would be instructive to search guidelines for modesty in dress from earlier times when society was less given over to the enemies of our souls.



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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #10 on: December 19, 2023, 06:51:53 AM »
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  •  It is not sinful for a woman to not wear stockings to Mass.

     It is sinful for anyone to stare at her bare feet and feel lust.


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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #11 on: December 19, 2023, 07:08:48 AM »
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  • It is not sinful for a woman to not wear stockings to Mass.

     It is sinful for anyone to stare at her bare feet and feel lust.
    Now I would say that how a person dresses themselves can scandalize others, it does seem a bit extreme that someone would feel lust from someone's feet... Also some men might find a women more attractive when they are wearing stockings/nice shoes.

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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #12 on: December 19, 2023, 07:33:13 AM »
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  • Now I would say that how a person dresses themselves can scandalize others, it does seem a bit extreme that someone would feel lust from someone's feet... Also some men might find a women more attractive when they are wearing stockings/nice shoes.
    I'm speaking in general.  I'm not going to list ever scenario that a man might feel lust.  Men have lusted after aged cloistered nuns after all.  

    It's a given that all women should practice modesty at all times.  A modestly dressed woman wearing open shoes with no stockings commit no sin if no other sinful behavior is committed.  The lusting man commits the sin.

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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #13 on: December 19, 2023, 08:41:13 AM »
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  • Back in days of Jesus, they probably wore sandals with their good clothes if they went to a wedding.  

    I usually wear sandals in the summertime to Mass.  During winter/fall I’ll wear boots or ballet flats to Mass. I no longer wear stockings with my dresses.   I have considered wool stockings in winter. 

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    Re: Were women allowed to wear heels with no hosiery to Mass before?
    « Reply #14 on: December 19, 2023, 10:29:28 AM »
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  • "Before Vatican 2" includes lots of centuries when women's hemlines were long enough to cover their ankles. If they wore hosiery, for most it was a basic necessity, not a fashion statement. 

    Rather than idly checking out feminine footwear, try to keep your eyes on the altar or read some short devotions. And since there's no limit to the form that distractions can take, this can apply to anyone whether male or female.