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You are right; it is not a SSPV thing.
Many SSPX-ers were and are Birchers or supported JBS.

But the SSPV is still masonic at its core.

Only a few years ago the SSPV got involved in a greedy lawsuit.  A kindly benefactor had donated a large painting of Our Lady of the Angels.  They decided to sell it for $450,000.   The buyer eventually re-sold it for about $2 million.  So they got angry and attempted a $51 million lawsuit, claiming they were ripped off.

(did the benefactor who gave the nuns a beautiful painting for their inspiration at the convent get ripped off?)

They went all over the news and media, damaging the reputation of the art dealers, and damaging their own reputations as well.

SSPV made hundreds of thousands of dollars profit from a donated painting, which the buyer had professionally conserved and re-framed (6'x9' elaborate gold leaf)

If that's not masonic, I don't know what is.

The jury ended up making SSPV pay $325,000 in defamation damages to some of the parties they had injured in this scandalous and long legal battle.  The judge had some choice words about Bishop Kelly.

How did a $450K get to $51M? Who crunched the numbers before the trial?

Well, it's a long story with this group as usual.  An email, a mysterious email was sent to the nuns by someone purporting to be Benjamin Dollar, an art expert from Sotheby's.  It was determined no such email came from him....then there's the other guy, Dumont supposedly telling the SSPV they were being cheated.  (as usual, it was no fault of SSPV, or so they hoped)  The fact is, Kelly had the check for the $450 K and held onto for three months which was a part of the reason their story didn't add up.  It went up to $450K after some restoration the SSPV paid for.  It had been in bad condition, and religious paintings generally do not fetch the huge amounts that other genres do.  The $51 million is just ludicrous for their "suffering" if one considers the suffering they caused by suing their Superior Archbishop Lefebvre and robbing the faithful who had paid for the US properties.

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In your opinion are SSPX, SSPV, CMRI, Resisitance priests and all those who have been ordained through any of those lines not Catholics, and their Masses are to be avoided?

Are we who attend their Masses under censure along with them?

I saw this on this thread (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=35136&min=25&num=5) and it is a bullseye:

"Ordination does not make a Catholic Priest. This is a lie of Traditionalists. All bishops and priests must have been delegated Jurisdiction in conjunction with their ordination or consecration. This is Divine Law, not just Ecclesiastical Law. Canons 196 & 197 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, clarify this. Many who are clamoring for and demanding the sacraments will argue this point until they are blue in the face stating that it is not of a divine nature or law (???), therefore can be easily shoved aside in order for them to receive those illicit sacraments,  but regardless of their rantings and ravings  it isn't so. It has been proven to be of a Divine establishment by Christ Himself and is the distinguishing mark that separates the men from the boys! Every Catholic must have a clear indication which marks who real priests and ministers of Christ are and who are not....... Doesn't this make sense?  Perhaps not, due to the fact that many Catholics will open the door to all ravening wolves out there and allow them to tear them to pieces until there is nothing left."
 

So in keeping with this thread on SSPV, for instance Fr's Baumberger and Greenwell never received delegated jurisdiction in conjunction with their ordinations. Hence, by Church teaching they are not Catholic priests. Their "masses" must be avoided under pain of mortal sin.