But clearly have the need to misrepresent others arguments because you don't want to accept Church teaching.

 These sorts of accusations give the impression that you have run out of good arguments for your position.

Mortalium Animos is about false ecuмenism and has nothing to do with this subject.

So, tell me, what was it back in the day?  LSD? Cocaine?

After you.  You made the unsbustantiated gratuitous assertion that the "subjection" of woman to man after Original Sin was just made "more difficult" rather than causing a new state that was itself the punishement.  So you prove YOUR assertion first.  I love how you try to impose criteria on me that you yourself don't abide by.  That's self-serving hypocrisy.  You prove that "subjection" existed before Original Sin citing sources.

Summa Theologica, First Part, Question 92, Article 1

Subjection is twofold. One is servile, by virtue of which a superior makes use of a subject for his own benefit; and this kind of subjection began after sin. There is another kind of subjection which is called economic or civil, whereby the superior makes use of his subjects for their own benefit and good; and this kind of subjection existed even before sin. For good order would have been wanting in the human family if some were not governed by others wiser than themselves. So by such a kind of subjection woman is naturally subject to man, because in man the discretion of reason predominates. Nor is inequality among men excluded by the state of innocence, as we shall prove

St. Augustine, Marriage and Concupiscence, Bk 1, Ch 10

“Nor can it be doubted, that it is more consonant with the order of nature that men should bear rule over women, than women over men. It is with this principle in view that the apostle says, ‘The head of the woman is the man;’ and, ‘Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands.’ So also the Apostle Peter writes: ‘Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.’”

John Chrysostom, Homilies on Ephesians 5:22

“Then after saying, ‘The husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is of the Church,’ he further adds, ‘and He is the Saviour of the body.’ For indeed the head is the saving health of the body. He had already laid down beforehand for man and wife, the ground and provision of their love, assigning to each their proper place, to the one that of authority and forethought, to the other that of submission. As then ‘the Church,’ that is, both husbands and wives, ‘is subject unto Christ, so also ye wives submit yourselves to your husbands, as unto God.’ For she is the body, not to dictate to the head, but to submit herself and obey.”

Do whatever is noble and godly, living in the Presence of Christ. Certainly hitting one's wife is not noble, instead it dishonors her and any children witnessing such actions leading them to hit their own wives when they reach marriageable age. Indeed, we can act like immature brats, and swat our wives whenever they displease us, but there will be eternal consequences for our immature behavior.


We can justify our immaturity and use all the PROOF TEXTS from the saints to support our pitiful arguments, but if we have not love in our hearts, it will profit us nothing for St. Peter will never listen to proof texts, but he will discern what is in our hearts, for we are all called to be saints, to exercise prudence, love, generosity, temperance, kindness, meekness, humility, and forgiveness of failings.


Do not forget the words of St. Paul in 1 Cor. 13  [Douay-Rheims]  




IF I speak with the tongues of men, and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And if I should have prophecy and should know all mysteries, and all knowledge, and if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And if I should distribute all my goods to feed the poor, and if I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth with the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Perhaps, in "charity", so as not to deal perversely and please don't be provoked to anger or to think ill by the request, but if you would please bear with me and endure the request of a donation of your name?

It's just me again.