Author Topic: No more mercy left from heaven (Read 1479 times)

Änσnymσus · « **on:** November 04, 2019, 11:41:35 AM »

I read a passage in the Bible where it states if you repent of your ways and turn back to your own ways, there will be no more forgiveness left for you from heaven.

Can't tell you how many times I've been back and forth with my faith.
I guess st john vianney talks about the sins God no longer continues to pardon

How do i escape this despair? I feel like there's no hope. Lived most of my life with the way of the world... My own stupid fault

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2019, 11:53:03 AM »

St. Peter the Apostle thought the same way, he asked God for forgiveness and he became our first pope.
Dismas, one of the two thieves on the cross, in his last minutes on Earth, asked God for forgiveness and is now Saint Dismas.

Judas Iscariot, one of the twelve 12 apostles chosen from among all of mankind, despaired in the end, hung himself and went to Hell for all eternity.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2019, 11:56:24 AM »

That was I who wrote the above and let me add:

Work out your salvation in fear and trembling, live life as if you will die in one minute and you will never sin. Go to frequent confession, and learn what fear of God is.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2019, 12:01:25 PM »

A old friend of mine told me a story that happened on a US Navy ship back in 1950's. The ship had been in a foreign port for a few days and the sailors did what sailors do after being out to sea for an extended period, bad behavior. When the boys got back on deck the ship's chaplain was having confession and the line was long. The problem was he was scolding the penitents so loudly that most of the men left the confession line. When my friend went in to confess he told the priest what had happened. The priest then asked my buddy if he would please round up any or all of the fellows that left and invite them to come back. He did and they did. Stop thinking so much and just go. God is bigger than you and anybody else.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2019, 12:02:51 PM »

P. S I have been to confession, just worried

Flavius Petrus Sabbatius · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2019, 01:22:40 PM »

You should worry more about if God has predestined you for salvation.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2019, 02:44:04 PM »

Quote from: Flavius Petrus Sabbatius on November 04, 2019, 01:22:40 PM

You should worry more about if God has predestined you for salvation.

We are not Jansenists.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:00:00 PM »

Any other advice from the forum ?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:05:42 PM »

You looking for motivation?

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:08:59 PM »

Quote from: Flavius Petrus Sabbatius on November 04, 2019, 01:22:40 PM

You should worry more about if God has predestined you for salvation.

He said he was a Catholic, not a Calvanist. Only Calvinists worry about predestination because they do not know the doctrine. God does not predestine anyone for hell or heaven, He just knows what the end will be, "for He has already seen the movie".

"Before all decision to create the world, the infinite knowledge of God presents to Him all the graces, and different series of graces, which He can prepare for each soul, along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circuмstance, and that in millions of possible combinations ... Thus, for each man in particular there are in the thought of God, limitless possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; and God will be free in choosing such a world, such a series of graces, and in determining the future history and final destiny of each soul. And this is precisely what He does when among all possible worlds, by an absolutely free act, he decides to realize the actual world with all the circuмstances of its historic evolutions, with all the graces which in fact have been and will be distributed until the end of the world, and consequently with all the elect and all the reprobate who God foresaw would be in it if de facto He created it." [The Catholic Encyclopedia Appleton, 1909, on Augustine, pg 97]

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:09:51 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on November 04, 2019, 11:41:35 AM

I read a passage in the Bible where it states if you repent of your ways and turn back to your own ways, there will be no more forgiveness left for you from heaven.

Can't tell you how many times I've been back and forth with my faith.
I guess st john vianney talks about the sins God no longer continues to pardon

How do i escape this despair? I feel like there's no hope. Lived most of my life with the way of the world... My own stupid fault

There's no such thing as "no more forgiveness" from God. So long as you are capable of making a choice to turn back to God, i.e. so long as you live, there's still hope. What these types of passages mean is that if you return over and over again, your will can be more and more hardened against grace. Don't be like the Protestants who find an isolated passage in Scripture and interpret it out of context with their own lights. In other words, it's all on your side, and not on God's. So if you turn back to Him, He's always there waiting, and He has infinite patience.

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:10:39 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on November 04, 2019, 03:08:59 PM

He said he was a Catholic, not a Calvanist. Only Calvinists worry about predestination because they do not know the doctrine. God does not predestine anyone for hell or heaven, He just knows what the end will be, "for He has already seen the movie".

"Before all decision to create the world, the infinite knowledge of God presents to Him all the graces, and different series of graces, which He can prepare for each soul, along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circuмstance, and that in millions of possible combinations ... Thus, for each man in particular there are in the thought of God, limitless possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; and God will be free in choosing such a world, such a series of graces, and in determining the future history and final destiny of each soul. And this is precisely what He does when among all possible worlds, by an absolutely free act, he decides to realize the actual world with all the circuмstances of its historic evolutions, with all the graces which in fact have been and will be distributed until the end of the world, and consequently with all the elect and all the reprobate who God foresaw would be in it if de facto He created it." [The Catholic Encyclopedia Appleton, 1909, on Augustine, pg 97]

I wrote that.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:11:32 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on November 04, 2019, 03:08:59 PM

He said he was a Catholic, not a Calvanist. Only Calvinists worry about predestination because they do not know the doctrine. God does not predestine anyone for hell or heaven, He just knows what the end will be, "for He has already seen the movie".

"Before all decision to create the world, the infinite knowledge of God presents to Him all the graces, and different series of graces, which He can prepare for each soul, along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circuмstance, and that in millions of possible combinations ... Thus, for each man in particular there are in the thought of God, limitless possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; and God will be free in choosing such a world, such a series of graces, and in determining the future history and final destiny of each soul. And this is precisely what He does when among all possible worlds, by an absolutely free act, he decides to realize the actual world with all the circuмstances of its historic evolutions, with all the graces which in fact have been and will be distributed until the end of the world, and consequently with all the elect and all the reprobate who God foresaw would be in it if de facto He created it." [The Catholic Encyclopedia Appleton, 1909, on Augustine, pg 97]

I wrote that, twice!

Flavius Petrus Sabbatius · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:37:52 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous on November 04, 2019, 03:08:59 PM

He said he was a Catholic, not a Calvanist. Only Calvinists worry about predestination because they do not know the doctrine. God does not predestine anyone for hell or heaven, He just knows what the end will be, "for He has already seen the movie".

"Before all decision to create the world, the infinite knowledge of God presents to Him all the graces, and different series of graces, which He can prepare for each soul, along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circuмstance, and that in millions of possible combinations ... Thus, for each man in particular there are in the thought of God, limitless possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; and God will be free in choosing such a world, such a series of graces, and in determining the future history and final destiny of each soul. And this is precisely what He does when among all possible worlds, by an absolutely free act, he decides to realize the actual world with all the circuмstances of its historic evolutions, with all the graces which in fact have been and will be distributed until the end of the world, and consequently with all the elect and all the reprobate who God foresaw would be in it if de facto He created it." [The Catholic Encyclopedia Appleton, 1909, on Augustine, pg 97]

Predestination is a Catholic teaching. God is free to predestine some to eternal glory and withhold His grace from others leaving them in their sins without consideration of foreseen merit.

"I answer that, God does reprobate some. For it was said above (Article 1) that predestination is a part of providence. To providence, however, it belongs to permit certain defects in those things which are subject to providence, as was said above (Question 22, Article 2). Thus, as men are ordained to eternal life through the providence of God, it likewise is part of that providence to permit some to fall away from that end; this is called reprobation. Thus, as predestination is a part of providence, in regard to those ordained to eternal salvation, so reprobation is a part of providence in regard to those who turn aside from that end. Hence reprobation implies not only foreknowledge, but also something more, as does providence, as was said above (Question 22, Article 1). Therefore, as predestination includes the will to confer grace and glory; so also reprobation includes the will to permit a person to fall into sin, and to impose the punishment of damnation on account of that sin." ST I, q. 23, a. 3

"God wills to manifest His goodness in men; in respect to those whom He predestines, by means of His mercy, as sparing them; and in respect of others, whom he reprobates, by means of His justice, in punishing them. This is the reason why God elects some and rejects others. To this the Apostle refers, saying (Romans ix., 22-23): "What if God, willing to show His wrath [that is, the vengeance of His justice], and to make His power known, endured [that is, permitted] with much patience vessels of wrath, fitted for destruction; that He might show the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He hath prepared unto glory" and (2 Timothy ii., 20): "But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver; but also of wood and of earth; and some, indeed, unto honor, but some unto dishonor." Yet why He chooses some for glory, and reprobates others, has no reason, except the divine will. Whence Augustine says (Tract. xxvi. in Joan.): "Why He draws one, and another He draws not, seek not to judge, if thou dost not wish to err." ST I, q. 23, a. 5, ad 3

Änσnymσus · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2019, 03:48:26 PM »

God does not predestine anyone for hell or heaven, He just knows what the end will be, "for He has already seen the movie".

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