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Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
« Reply #120 on: November 02, 2021, 07:55:56 PM »
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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #121 on: November 03, 2021, 03:00:47 AM »
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  • For those wondering why this thread is so important let me 'splain by giving a Geography & History lesson.  OLHC is in Orange County CA, a densely populated region, unlike some far-flung regions of the country.  Not only that, but it sits smack dab between Disneyland & Knott's Berry Farm, so it has not only their regular parishioners but visitors from all over.  They have a school & a Hall which has coffee & donuts after Mass so people can meet & greet.  It was under a saintly priest for years who passed away a few years ago leaving it to Perez, who he said was the best he could do given the scarcity of priests.
    As bad as Perez is now, he actually has grown up & improved since he first arrived.   A died in the wool Catholic wouldn't go to an Insult Mass & the nearest other church is the SSPX church in LA county about 30 miles away.  Maybe that doesn't sound very far away but we have freeways here that constantly hum with cars & some very bad drivers so you take your life in your hands when to get on them.

    To sum up - OLHC is an important little church that has serviced people from all over in this sad world & people need to know what goes on there.  This thread does a great service in doing that & if you're not interested, no one is forcing anyone to read about it.  Hope this helps.


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #122 on: November 03, 2021, 09:45:47 AM »
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  • For those wondering why this thread is so important let me 'splain by giving a Geography & History lesson.  OLHC is in Orange County CA, a densely populated region, unlike some far-flung regions of the country.  Not only that, but it sits smack dab between Disneyland & Knott's Berry Farm, so it has not only their regular parishioners but visitors from all over.  They have a school & a Hall which has coffee & donuts after Mass so people can meet & greet.  It was under a saintly priest for years who passed away a few years ago leaving it to Perez, who he said was the best he could do given the scarcity of priests.
    As bad as Perez is now, he actually has grown up & improved since he first arrived.  A died in the wool Catholic wouldn't go to an Insult Mass & the nearest other church is the SSPX church in LA county about 30 miles away.  Maybe that doesn't sound very far away but we have freeways here that constantly hum with cars & some very bad drivers so you take your life in your hands when to get on them.

    To sum up - OLHC is an important little church that has serviced people from all over in this sad world & people need to know what goes on there.  This thread does a great service in doing that & if you're not interested, no one is forcing anyone to read about it.  Hope this helps.
    I assisted at a couple Masses there when my family and I went on vacation to Disney. I'm from Ohio. We visited my sister who lives nearby. Now I may think twice before going back there the next time we visit my sister, depending on how things are going whenever that may be. 
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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #123 on: November 03, 2021, 11:37:26 AM »
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  • If you go to Fr. Perez's Mass you'd be OK as he is valid.  Avoid any other.  As far as I know Fr. Starbuck hasn't been conditionally ordained.  

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #124 on: November 03, 2021, 06:25:58 PM »
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  • If you go to Fr. Perez's Mass you'd be OK as he is valid.  Avoid any other.  As far as I know Fr. Starbuck hasn't been conditionally ordained. 
    Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #125 on: November 03, 2021, 06:51:53 PM »
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  • Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.
    Can you please provide any proof of this conditional ordination? Who was the bishop that did the conditional ordination?

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #126 on: November 03, 2021, 06:57:49 PM »
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  • Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab.
    Wow. This priest is a hero. 

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #127 on: November 03, 2021, 07:06:06 PM »
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  • ... he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab.
    You've given me a whole new respect for Fr. Perez.
    Perez for Pope! Perez for Pope! Perez for Pope!


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #128 on: November 03, 2021, 09:59:40 PM »
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  • I never heard that the 2 Fr. S's were ever conditionally ordained, so I too need to know more.  Fr. Perez was validly ordained so why would he be conditionally ordained?  We need more info, please.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #129 on: November 04, 2021, 03:24:16 AM »
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  • Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.
    I know Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by b. Zendejas, but that was after he left OLHC.  

    Pretty sure Perez was never conditionally ordained.

    Not sure about Fr. Starbuck.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #130 on: November 04, 2021, 08:33:18 AM »
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  • I never heard that the 2 Fr. S's were ever conditionally ordained, so I too need to know more.  Fr. Perez was validly ordained so why would he be conditionally ordained?  We need more info, please.
    Because there is positive doubt for the NO Episcopal Consecrations. Perez's bishop (Cardinal Strickler) was not a valid minister.


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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #131 on: November 04, 2021, 02:02:25 PM »
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  • You are the one who needs to get your facts straight. Ever hear about the SSJ? The facts regarding SSJ, pervert Roberts and Father Perez are here: https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/

    As a seminarian at the Institute of Christ the King in Gricigliano, Italy, Roberts was expelled in 1993 by the seminary’s then vice-rector, Father Patrick Perez. Father Perez expelled Roberts for writing explicit love letters to a younger seminarian with whom Roberts was enamored. The younger seminarian, who did not appreciate Roberts’ advances, gave the love letters to Father Perez who then saw to it that Roberts was dismissed from the seminary within 24 hours.
    Of course I've heard of SSJ and wouldn't touch them with a 10ft. pole.

    Just because you've read a mistaken "fact" in a particular link it won't follow it is accurate.
    Fr. Perez wasn't a rector or superior of anybody in 1993. Ask Fr. Perez himself and get back to us once you get your "facts" straighten out.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #132 on: November 04, 2021, 02:30:28 PM »
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  • I know Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by b. Zendejas, but that was after he left OLHC. 

    Pretty sure Perez was never conditionally ordained.

    Not sure about Fr. Starbuck.
    What about Father(?) Paulo Alvarez (aka "Paul Norton"), what's his status and he's still with Fr. Perez?

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #133 on: November 04, 2021, 04:10:45 PM »
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  • What about Father(?) Paulo Alvarez (aka "Paul Norton"), what's his status and he's still with Fr. Perez?
    Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

    The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

    The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

    When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

     Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.

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    Re: More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC
    « Reply #134 on: November 04, 2021, 04:49:02 PM »
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  • Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.

    The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.

    The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.

    When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.

     Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
    TIA seems to be a TFP adjunct, although the relationship isn't wholly clear, and perhaps they are more aligned with the Plino de Correa Institute, but that body is more soundly traditional than TFP clearly rejecting environmentalism and land reform in Brazil. The Prince Imperial of Brazil, Prince Bertrand supports the Institute. Perhaps it is a TIA sub cult or another TFP breakaway as Atila is no no longer properly a TFP member. If someone reads TIA, there are many articles with calumny towards Abp Lefebvre. For this rad trad chest beating attacking V2, Atila goes to a diocesan TLM.