This person who claims to be a Catholic priest has a Buddhist altar in his home, complete with Buddhist altar items: a lotus flower, white candles and a mirror to communicate with ancestors (on another thread here on CI). In yesterday’s sermon he misquotes Our Blessed Mother.Nor will he deal with the young man who believes himself to be a Pfeiffer "priest" who was allowed to say his first "mass" at OLHC.
What she actually said:
https://fatima.org/news-views/a-night-illumined-by-an-unknown-light/
On July 13, 1917, after showing the three shepherd children a vision of hell, Our Lady then confided to them the second part of the Secret of Fatima:
“if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the reign of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that He is about to punish the world for its sins, by means of war, famine, and persecutions against the Church and of the Holy Father . . .
In the context of saying he saw the "sun dancing in the sky," “Fr.” Wiest claims that what Our Lady of Fatima said in the apparition is:
“When you see light in the sky, you will know God’s wrath is coming.” NOT
He continued “Our Lady predicted the same thing again.” NOT
(He said this happened on a feast day of Our Lady and the same day the Taliban took over Afghanistan.)
He said “Christians in Assyria have been slaughters for 5000 years.” WHAAAT?
See it for yourself, starting at 32:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z67ao25bgu8
Very sad that "Msgr." Perez will not deal with this.
This Mr. Michael Wiest, NOT a priest, sure looks like the "Fr." Michael Wiest now at OLHC (the one who refuses to say where or when or by whom he was "ordained" and who refuses to show his drivers license.)
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg (https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg)
Man is photo is holding rhubard and the article quotes him saying
“He’s got the best rhubarb. I buy from him every year,” said customer Michael Wiest.
https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html (https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html)
It does look like the same Michael WiestAccording to michigan voter info:
From article and photo in the Harbor Country News that was posted on this thread, the article says
For more information, contact Wiest at (623) 295-1197
anyone can use reverse address lookup to find more info
This is the result of a reverse look up on (623) 295-1197
https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)
Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..
Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Bacchanale | Definition of Bacchanale by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bacchanale
Bacchanale definition is - a ballet whose dances are marked by voluptuousness or pagan abandon.
That is an odd name for the email of Michael Wiest, purportedly a priest.
12 October 2020 | |
LAST NAME: | WIEST |
FIRST NAME: | MICHAEL |
MIDDLE NAME: | NORMAN |
SUFFIX: | |
BIRTH YEAR: | 1964 |
SEX: | M |
REGISTRATION DATE: | 11062018 |
HOUSE NUMBER CHARACTER: | |
RESIDENCE STREET NUMBER: | 370 |
HOUSE SUFFIX: | |
PRE-DIRECTION: | |
STREET NAME: | WELCH |
STREET TYPE: | RD |
SUFFIX DIRECTION: | |
RESIDENCE EXTENSION: | |
CITY: | NORTHVILLE |
STATE: | MI |
ZIP: | 48167 |
MAIL ADDRESS 1: | |
MAIL ADDRESS 2: | |
MAIL ADDRESS 3: | |
MAIL ADDRESS 4: | |
MAIL ADDRESS 5: | |
VOTER ID: | 780002172 |
COUNTY CODE: | 63 |
COUNTY NAME: | OAKLAND |
JURISDICTION_CODE: | 58980 |
JURISDICTION_NAME: | NORTHVILLE CITY |
WARD: | |
SCHOOL DISTRICT CODE: | 25980 |
SCHOOL DISTRICT NAME: | NORTHVILLE PUBLIC SCHOOLS |
STATE HOUSE DISTRICT CODE: | 038 |
STATE HOUSE DISTRICT NAME: | 38th District |
STATE SENATE DISTRICT CODE: | 15 |
STATE SENATE DISTRICT NAME: | 15th District |
US CONGRESS DISTRICT CODE: | 11 |
US CONGRESS DISTRICT NAME: | 11th District |
COUNTY COMMISSIONER DISTRICT CODE: | 6309 |
COUNTY COMMISSIONER DISTRICT NAME: | 9th District |
VILLAGE DISTRICT CODE: | |
VILLAGE DISTRICT NAME: | |
VILLAGE PRECINCT: | |
SCHOOL PRECINCT: | |
PERMANENT ABSENTEE IND: | N |
STATUS TYPE: | A |
UOCAVA CODE: | N |
UOCAVA NAME: | NON-UOCAVA |
Maybe he votes more than once. I found this Michael Wiest born in 1963, not 1964. This search was done from the phone number in the news article someone posted about Mr. Michael Wiest's antique store called Eclipse which specializes in Chinese art. The man in the news article is 100% the man at OLHC calling himself a priest. "Father" Michael Wiest is the one who collects Chinese artI hope Fr. Perez sees the link with Michael Wiest having a Buddhist store.
and has a Buddhist altar in his home. The 1964 Michael Wiest cited in the news article has chosen a slutty name (see below) for his email addresses. This man with a Buddhist altar and an email name which means ORGY is presenting himself as a Catholic priest?
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)
Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..
Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline
Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Associated Names
Michael E Wiest, Michael Weist, Michael Wieft
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
(Nov 2011 - Jan 2019)
7350 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Jun 2017)
7348 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Dec 1969 - May 2012)
1029 N 42nd Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85009
(Dec 1969 - Nov 2011)
6N208 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2007)
6N323 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2006)
6 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jul 2005)
1301 W Aster Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85029
(Nov 2003)
585 Springhill Dr
Roselle, IL 60172
(Aug 2001 - Apr 2003)
3334 N Oakley Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
(Mar 1999)
11029 N 42nd St
Phoenix, AZ 85028
(Oct 1998)
4410 W Thome Ave
Chicago, IL 60646
(May 1988 - Nov 1993)
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
Possible Relatives
Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathleen L Wiest, Katie Wiest, Lorraine B Wiest, Norman L Wiest Sr, Norman Lt Wiest, Wayne L Wiest
Possible Associates
Gerardo S Gutierrez, Rosa Maria Molina, Ashlee P Tarbutton, Ashley M Rourk, Christina M Rourk, Debra L Zapf, Diana M Nagle, Harold L Vock, Lynn B Wuczynski
Michael William Woods, Richard M Zapf, Scott G Reid, Vincent Paul Burba, Dino S Vukic, Jeffrey David Beyer, Karen M Monte, Katrina Swanson, Kimberly A Jones, Linda K Kelso, Michael P Flannery, Nancy V Murphy, Peter J Del Nodal, Philip W Wright, Rita Quinn Dominguez, Scott J Conrad, Suzana D Vukic, Xavier A Dominguez, Albert W Faraone Jr, Brandon L Smith, Donatella Majore, Leona J Furlong, Roberta M Taylor, William P Furlong, Andrea L Ellis, Ire Ellis, Jill E Gasparaitis, Michael G Ellis, Michael D Ellis, Rosemary Heraghty, Shane Ellis
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline
https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0 (https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/details?phoneno=6232951197&rid=0x0)
Name Reverse Phone Reverse Address
1 record found for (623) 295-1197
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Lives in Three Oaks, MI
Used to live in Keaau HI, Itasca IL, Chicago IL, Phoe...
Related to Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathl..
Reverse Phone Reverse Address
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Michael Wiest Age 58 (Mar 1963)
Current Address
9 N Elm St
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline
Email Addresses
mewiest_esq@yahoo.com
mweist@aol.com
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
mweist@juno.com
Associated Names
Michael E Wiest, Michael Weist, Michael Wieft
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
(Nov 2011 - Jan 2019)
7350 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Jun 2017)
7348 N Ridge Blvd
Chicago, IL 60645
(Dec 1969 - May 2012)
1029 N 42nd Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85009
(Dec 1969 - Nov 2011)
6N208 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2007)
6N323 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Oct 2006)
6 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jul 2005)
1301 W Aster Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85029
(Nov 2003)
585 Springhill Dr
Roselle, IL 60172
(Aug 2001 - Apr 2003)
3334 N Oakley Ave
Chicago, IL 60618
(Mar 1999)
11029 N 42nd St
Phoenix, AZ 85028
(Oct 1998)
4410 W Thome Ave
Chicago, IL 60646
(May 1988 - Nov 1993)
Previous Addresses
36th Ave
Keaau, HI 96749
(Jan 2021)
6N361 Andrene Ln
Itasca, IL 60143
(Jan 2021)
7348 N Ridge Blvd #14C
Chicago, IL 60645
Possible Relatives
Carolyn I Wiest, Diane S Wiest, Kathleen L Wiest, Katie Wiest, Lorraine B Wiest, Norman L Wiest Sr, Norman Lt Wiest, Wayne L Wiest
Possible Associates
Gerardo S Gutierrez, Rosa Maria Molina, Ashlee P Tarbutton, Ashley M Rourk, Christina M Rourk, Debra L Zapf, Diana M Nagle, Harold L Vock, Lynn B Wuczynski
Michael William Woods, Richard M Zapf, Scott G Reid, Vincent Paul Burba, Dino S Vukic, Jeffrey David Beyer, Karen M Monte, Katrina Swanson, Kimberly A Jones, Linda K Kelso, Michael P Flannery, Nancy V Murphy, Peter J Del Nodal, Philip W Wright, Rita Quinn Dominguez, Scott J Conrad, Suzana D Vukic, Xavier A Dominguez, Albert W Faraone Jr, Brandon L Smith, Donatella Majore, Leona J Furlong, Roberta M Taylor, William P Furlong, Andrea L Ellis, Ire Ellis, Jill E Gasparaitis, Michael G Ellis, Michael D Ellis, Rosemary Heraghty, Shane Ellis
Three Oaks, MI 49128
Phone Numbers
(602) 421-4250 - Wireless
(630) 539-2536 - Landline
(630) 773-0948 - Landline
I no longer wonder why Wiest invited Croisette to say mass at OLHC.I don't follow. Why would Wiest invite Croisette to say Mass at OLHC? Croisette is from Pfeifferville, but the orgie-fan, buddha-loving Wiest is not connected, is he?
I don't follow. Why would Wiest invite Croisette to say Mass at OLHC? Croisette is from Pfeifferville, but the orgie-fan, buddha-loving Wiest is not connected, is he?Birds of a feather flock together. (They are both questionable priests.)
Posts #10 and 11 were an attempt at misdirection, pointing to a different Mr. Michael Wiest than the one presenting himself as a Catholic priest at OLHC.No, no attempt at misdirection. Just research. Hard for me to believe two Michael Norman Wiest's born one year apart.
Sure looks like an attempt to misdirect. Wonder if it was posted by Mr. Wiest himself.
Also it was in Huge print, tantamount to shouting.
Methinks he doth protest too much
Hard for me to believe two Michael Norman Wiest's born one year apart.The Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC has no middle name, refuses to provide any proof of his ordination, refuses to show any proof of any kind of his background or identity. More importantly, he wants to work alone with altar boys but refuses to show his drivers' license, as required by law in order to protect children from potential predators who want to be alone with children.
The Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC has no middle name, refuses to provide any proof of his ordination, refuses to show any proof of any kind of his background or identity. More importantly, he wants to work alone with altar boys but refuses to show his drivers' license, as required by law in order to protect children from potential predators who want to be alone with children.Thank you for the clarification. Sorry about that. My mistake.
Cath Info has images of the Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC, which perfectly match the photos of the Mr. Michael Wiest in the publication (in this thread or the other Michael Wiest thread). Both the Michael Wiest who presents himself as a priest at OLHC and the Michael Wiest in the publication not only look identical, but both collect antique Chinese art, especially antique Chinese screens and antique Chinese Buddhas, as evidenced by photo evidence already presented here.
Presenting himself as a layman, Michael Wiest has two email addresses with a variation of the word bacchanalia, which means wild sɛҳuąƖ drunken orgy.
This person has NO MIDDLE NAME. No facts support any middle name. To pull a fake middle name out of a hat smells like misdirection.
No, no attempt at misdirection. Just research. Hard for me to believe two Michael Norman Wiest's born one year apart.Copy and pasting anything into this forum distorts the text, so I don't see that as a fault.
Large print because that is how my computer cut and pasted it. I am not tech savvy to change the font. sorry.
And i am not wiest.
Copy and pasting anything into this forum distorts the text, so I don't see that as a fault.Sometimes it helps to cut and paste on to Word first.
I understand wanting to know who ordained a priest.1. Oriental art is one thing. A Buddhist altar is another.
But I don't see how his supposed interest in Oriental art is anybody's concern.
I may have missed it - did anyone see him offering incense to a statue?
Or do some people have too much time on their hands?
1. Oriental art is one thing. A Buddhist altar is another.Yes an it's not just that he has a Buddhist altar with the paraphernalia that goes with it (like the mirror to communicate with the dead) but the same person also uses the word bacchanal (orgy) in two of his email addresses. This is especially troublesome because at the same time he wants to work alone with altar boys, he continues to refuse to show his Drivers License or his ordination papers.
2. How could he open a Buddhist junk shop (in lay clothing) just 6 years ago (who knows how long it was open) and now be a priest?
Yes an it's not just that he has a Buddhist altar with the paraphernalia that goes with it (like the mirror to communicate with the dead) but the same person also uses the word bacchanal (orgy) in two of his email addresses. This is especially troublesome because at the same time he wants to work alone with altar boys, he continues to refuse to show his Drivers License or his ordination papers.We can't condemn a man because of what he might do.
What happened to the thread called "One Place for all Photos of Mr. Wiest" or something like that?I am thinking the same thing.
What happened to the thread called "One Place for all Photos of Mr. Wiest" or something like that?Looks like it was moved from anonymous to members only (not anonymous anymore).
One more thing --- someone mentioned that the phony nun who became a Carmelite hermit is now saying that she's not a Carmelite nun - that she's just a hermit! Yet someone said that she heard her say 'final vows' with Fr. Sretenovic. So how did she get out of FINAL vows?! Aren't Final vows FINAL? Or did someone finally figure out that a non-Carmelite can't welcome anyone into the Carmelite Order?Talk To the nun.
What next will come out of that place? Surely there's enough people there who have been there long enough to know that there's just too many aberrant occurrences happening there & something must be done to stem the tide, otherwise the only thing that's going to be left are weirdos.
Lastly, since Perez found out that he really isn't a Monsignor, why is he still using the title? Rational people want to know.
He said he begged his mother for a statue of St. Therese that he saw in a store window because St. Therese always came to play with him. This was in 1967 when he was 4 which would make him 58 now. Then went on to explain 'discalced' as meaning without socks!! I kid you not! Any Catholic knows that discalced means unshod or barefoot & has nothing to do with socks. This man is a phony & it's a complete mystery to me why & how those people are putting up with him.He is a cold, calculation conman. He knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get an emotional reaction from gullible trads. (Especially those who feed their egos via private "revelation.") He also bragged that "If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity." This creepy pompous sanctamonious sacrilegious layman conman posing as a priest basically said that St. Teresa appeared to him as a child. He hinted that he is about to work a (fake) "miracle" at the chapel.
He is a cold, calculation conman. He knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get an emotional reaction from gullible trads. (Especially those who feed their egos via private "revelation.")
To those who are complaining about this thread --- You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you? Who's forcing you to read it? This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC. As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed. We tell it like it is. I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.Amen brother. One also has to wonder about a possible link between Crazy Pfeifferville and Crazy OLHC. How is it that two more boys from OLHC, in addition to the one recently "ordained" by "Bishop" Pfeiffer, are now in the Pfeifferville "priesthood" pipeline?
To those who are complaining about this thread --- You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you? Who's forcing you to read it? This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC. As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed. We tell it like it is. I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.Still no new information to add to this thread?
Sad to hear about more victims going to Pfeifferville. Are they from the same family as the other one?No they are altar boys who we have watched grow up.
One more thing --- someone mentioned that the phony nun who became a Carmelite hermit is now saying that she's not a Carmelite nun - that she's just a hermit! Yet someone said that she heard her say 'final vows' with Fr. Sretenovic. So how did she get out of FINAL vows?! Aren't Final vows FINAL? Or did someone finally figure out that a non-Carmelite can't welcome anyone into the Carmelite Order?Logical and charitable people don't care what a nun trying to maintain tradition does. Priests get support, sometimes lots of it. Nuns often don't. That's why there aren't more traditional nuns.
What next will come out of that place? Surely there's enough people there who have been there long enough to know that there's just too many aberrant occurrences happening there & something must be done to stem the tide, otherwise the only thing that's going to be left are weirdos.
Lastly, since Perez found out that he really isn't a Monsignor, why is he still using the title? Rational people want to know.
She's a hermit - remember? You're not supposed to talk to her.No wonder, with people like you badmouthing her.
Perez won't talk about it.
He is a cold, calculation conman. He knows exactly which buttons to push in order to get an emotional reaction from gullible trads. (Especially those who feed their egos via private "revelation.") He also bragged that "If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity." This creepy pompous sanctamonious sacrilegious layman conman posing as a priest basically said that St. Teresa appeared to him as a child. He hinted that he is about to work a (fake) "miracle" at the chapel.LEAVE
To those who are complaining about this thread --- You are aware of the fact that you don't have to click on any & every thread aren't you? Who's forcing you to read it? This thread is to warn innocent people looking for the TLM to beware of OLHC. As they say - to be forewarned is to be forearmed. We tell it like it is. I've always appreciated those who described the happenings at Boston Ky & other questionable places.Truth is one thing. Extrapolation, assumptions and presumptions are another.
Amen brother. One also has to wonder about a possible link between Crazy Pfeifferville and Crazy OLHC. How is it that two more boys from OLHC, in addition to the one recently "ordained" by "Bishop" Pfeiffer, are now in the Pfeifferville "priesthood" pipeline?Those poor boys.
I'd love to sit in on a few High School Religion classes at that school! What must they be teaching?! It's bad enough that fake priests are allowed, now their children are going completely off course. The Warlock doesn't bother them?!!I would never send my children to that school, since Fr. Schell died. I know too much.
I'd love to sit in on a few High School Religion classes at that school! What must they be teaching?! It's bad enough that fake priests are allowed, now their children are going completely off course. The Warlock doesn't bother them?!!Are you referring to OLHC or OLMC? Is there a warlock at the high school?
I'm referring to OLHC sending sons to OLMC which has the warlock. I'd like to sit in on a OLHC Religion class to see what they're teaching that they would send their sons to OLMC. Why not the SPPX?Those of us sitting in the pews are told that we must avoid SSPX because they use the "inferior" 1962 Mass. We are told we must avoid the Indult at all costs. We are told that OLHC is the only traditional chapel which has the correct liturgical calendar.
Sounds to me that the only thing you can do to "stem the tide" is leave. Why don't you?Are you someone who is still in the chapel and think it's perfectly fine to have "priests" who
Neither would I send my children to that school. I, too, know too much, and now that Pfiefferville & OLHC seem to be so closely connected it seems to be descending further into darkness. This 'miracle' that Wiest is going to perform should be interesting. I hope someone will report on it.Sad
I'm referring to OLHC sending sons to OLMC which has the warlock. I'd like to sit in on a OLHC Religion class to see what they're teaching that they would send their sons to OLMC. Why not the SPPX?Is Fr. Perez encouraging these young men to go to OLMC? Or is it croisette? Is croisettes mother paying the fare for them to go?
Those of us sitting in the pews are told that we must avoid SSPX because they use the "inferior" 1962 Mass. We are told we must avoid the Indult at all costs. We are told that OLHC is the only traditional chapel which has the correct liturgical calendar.I avoid all priests/chapels who tell me they are the last vestige of the Catholic Church.
Wait!! The pewsitters at OLHC are being told to avoid the SPPX yet they use the SPPX for Confirmations??! Did I get that correct?Yes.
How many pupils are in the school at OLHC & how many grades do they have? Is it just an elementary school or does it go thru high school? And the parents are OK with all these fake priests coming & going? This is all hard to comprehend.None of that matters.
None of that matters.Actually, many are walking out. When asked about losing so many chapel members, Fr. Perez says they are leaving (not because of the pedophile priest, the Pfieffer "priest," or Mr. Wiest with his Buddhist altar and photos of himself as a layman running a Chinese junk shop several years ago). No. According to Perez, people are leaving because they don't like the sermons of the ONE good priest at OLHC, Fr. Starbuck. Wonder who could be feeding Perez such a lie? My guess is Mr. Wiest, who lusts to get rid of the ONE good priest so he can run the chapel himself. To conman Mr. Wiest Fr. Perez is irrelevant.
All of the congregation members need to do a massive walk out, homeschool their children or put them in another school, and go elsewhere for sacraments. Maybe then Fr. Perez will pay attention.
But when they show pictures of people going to Communion (even with Wiest saying Mass) there seems to be quite a few there.During the plandemic, refugees from the Novus Ordo came to OLHC. Little do they know that it is no longer a refuge for traditional Catholics, but rather a refuge for pedophile laicized priests, Pfeiffer "priests" and a wealthy Budda- worshiping layman like Mr. Wiest pretending to be a priest.
During the plandemic, refugees from the Novus Ordo came to OLHC. Little do they know that it is no longer a refuge for traditional Catholics, but rather a refuge for pedophile laicized priests, Pfeiffer "priests" and a wealthy Budda- worshiping layman like Mr. Wiest pretending to be a priest.Pretty sure Fr. Schell is crying from his grave.
I avoid all priests/chapels who tell me they are the last vestige of the Catholic Church.This is a great point. The enemy preys on those of us who fled the N.O.
This is a great point. The enemy preys on those of us who fled the N.O.Most of us fled the NO.
We were so happy to find a chapel with the true Mass that we overlooked a lot of problems.
Correction.
There are so many options for mass within a reasonably close distance fromOLMCOLHC. Go elsewhere. Just avoide "b" sebastain and his "priests". Their line is not Catholic.
Who's "b" sebastain & his priests?"Bishop" sebastain is not far from OLHC.
I've only been to OLHC a few times while on vacation so I'm unfamiliar with what goes on there. I met Father Perez and have listened/watched some of his interviews. I was planning on writing him for advice on my spiritual life, but I'm questioning this after reading some negative things about OLHC here. What do you guys who are more familiar with Father Perez think about corresponding with him about spiritual direction/advice?I no longer listen to ANY advice from ANY priest. They have messed my family and me up too many times. No theologians at sspx or any independent operation. Not enough theologians around. The priests can't help much except to say, "pray" and "read the lives of the saints".
"Bishop" sebastain is not far from OLHC.Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/bishop-tom-sebastian/) (I know schismatic-home-aloner.com is not a super source but anyhow)?
Google him. Avoid him and his minions. They are not Catholic.
Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/bishop-tom-sebastian/) (I know schismatic-home-aloner.com is not a super source but anyhow)?Yes. Not a Catholic bishop. His lineage cut away from the Catholic Church after its leader was excommunicated to the severest degree. They were never allowed back.
Do you mean Bishop Thomas Sebastian (https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/bishop-tom-sebastian/) (I know schismatic-home-aloner.com is not a super source but anyhow)?I agree that Dimond Bros. not a reliable source. Following your link I found this:
I agree that Dimond Bros. not a reliable source. Following your link I found this:It is clear to me Fr. Perez doesn't vet people he allows in the sanctuary, but acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty.
"Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic. He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic. Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop. This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."
So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.
The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.
It is clear to me Fr. Perez doesn't vet people he allows in the sanctuary, but acts on the premise of innocent until proven guilty.Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?Have any of you actually confronted Weist, individually or as a group, about your concerns?
A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
1. photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
2. photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
8. Wiest has never provided any docuмentation of an ordination.
Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.Have you confronted him about this? Have you contacted any authorities?
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?If he walks like a priest and talks like a priest, then he is a priest until you prove he isn't.
Innocent until proven guilty meaning what?Time to leave.
A layman posing as a priest offends Almighty God, but does not break any secular law.
Common sense indicates that Father Perez is endangering the chapel by tolerating:
1. photographic evidence that Wiest was presenting himself as a layman several years ago
2. photographic evidence that Wiest owned an antique store specializing in Chinese Buddha statues and Chinese antique screens traditionally used in Buddha altars.
3. evidence of the Buddhist altar in Wiest's home, taken by a Vietnamese husband and wife who are well known to Father Perez, who were in Wiest's home to help with upkeep and who saw the repulsive pagan Buddhist altar and fled. The husband re-entered and took the photo to show to Father Perez, who did nothing.
4. evidence that the altar meets the requirement for ancestor worship, including the Buddha statue, the antique Chinese screen, white candles, the lotus flower and the required mirror used to communicate with the dead.
5. evidence of Wiest's ownership of numerous properties, linked to the phone number he gave as his phone number in the news article on the opening of his antique store.
6. evidence that Wiest is mentally unstable, including but not limited to his assertion (from the pulpit) that he is a "saint" due to his "great charity" and
his assertion that as a child he had numerous apparitions from a saint who "played" with him. Wiest also (from the pulpit) egregiously misquotes Our Lady, erroneously claiming that she said the "miracle of the Sun" would be repeated and that he himself witnessed the repeat of the miracle a few weeks ago. He has also suggested that he is about to perform a miracle.
7. Wiest is allowed to be alone with altar boys with no adult present, yet the chapel is in violation of California state law which requires any such person to submit his drivers' license and submit his fingerprints, both of which Wiest has adamantly refuse to do.
8. Wiest has never provided any docuмentation of an ordination.
Time to leave.Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.
Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.Only if you can do so without harming yourself, your family, or others.
Indeed, if a dangerous person invaded your home (or your chapel of many decades) it would be wise to leave. However, it would be severely lacking in Christian charity to do so without first informing others of the venomous snake in their midst.Is this an ally recognizing that Wiest is a snake, or is this the snake himself issuing a threat?
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/more-weirdness-from-fr-michael-wiest-at-olhc/msg778500/#msg778500)
Only if you can do so without harming yourself, your family, or others.
Quote from: Änσnymσus on Yesterday at 06:33:28 PM (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/more-weirdness-from-fr-michael-wiest-at-olhc/msg778500/#msg778500)Is this an ally recognizing that Wiest is a snake, or is this the snake himself issuing a threat?I was thinking of Wiest's proclamation that he would be performing a miracle soon. If that is the case, perhaps the demonic is active within him and he may curse you if you publicly turn on him. Kind of like OLMC's warlock.
If he walks like a priest and talks like a priest, then he is a priest until you prove he isn't.Con men who pose as priests commonly prey on the Hispanic community. Usually they are Novus Ordo and sometimes they set up small chapels. They "walk and talk" like priests and make a living by performing fake baptisms and legal marriages (any person can obtain a license to perform marriages).
I think this is true. Even NO ordained priests assimilated into the sspx without being conditionally ordained refuse to provide such info.
That said, Wiest exhibits behaviors not seen in legitimate Catholic priests.
A priest will show his ordination papers and will say where, when and by what rite he was ordained; Wiest refuses.
Con men who pose as priests commonly prey on the Hispanic community. Usually they are Novus Ordo and sometimes they set up small chapels. They "walk and talk" like priests and make a living by performing fake baptisms and legal marriages (any person can obtain a license to perform marriages).Fr. Perez is a pretty intelligent priest.
That said, Wiest exhibits behaviors not seen in legitimate Catholic priests.
A priest will show his ordination papers and will say where, when and by what rite he was ordained; Wiest refuses.
A priest who asks to work alone with altar boys will show his drivers license and submit his fingerprints; Wiest refuses.
A priest does not brag from the pulpit that:
"As a little child, St. Theresa came often came to play with me."
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"If I become a saint it will be because of my great charity."
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"Our Lady of Fatima said the Miracle of the Sun would happen again a second time (She said not such thing) and I was privledged to see it."
A priest does not make up stories and then change them.
For months his story was
"I first met Father Perez in Rome when we were both young Seminarians and I had nowhere to go and he let me stay for a period of time."
then after several repetitions of this story he changed his story to:
"I first met Father Perez in a small town outside of Florence at Christ the King Seminary when three seminarians and myself were on on way to Sloviakia and he permitted us to spend the night."
(This revision is more believable and the details of where and when Fr. Perez was in this small town is easily available online -- too bad Wiest hadn't seen it first before he made up his Rome fairy tale.)
He has also changed his age from 48 to 58.
He also changed his story about his cancer from happening in his last year of high school to his last year of law school at Yale (and no, not a remission, just a revision of his story.)
His response to the photo of the Budda altar in his home was that his privacy was invaded. (Yes, please allow the poor man to engage in Pagan ancestor worship in the privacy of the home we are paying for.)
Fr. Perez is a pretty intelligent priest.I agree. It is mind boggling that Fr. Perez failed to ask Wiest to show his papers. Who supposedly ordained him? When? Where? In what rite?
I just don't understand his lack of protecting the Faithful by better vetting priests he allows at OLHC.
I agree. It is mind boggling that Fr. Perez failed to ask Wiest to show his papers. Who supposedly ordained him? When? Where? In what rite?Amen.
On top of that, the laicized Colletti (who also was never asked to show proof that he was a priest) is a docuмented child molester who admitted his guilt with the agreement that he would be able to keep his retirement money as long as he never publicly represented himself as a priest. And if that's not bad enough, Perez covered up for Colletti when the diocese of Orange sent letters outing the pedophile. He covered up by saying from the pulput "Father Colletti has been called back to his diocese." Yeah, he was called back alright. The only priest who spoke the truth was Father Starbuck, who from the pulpit warned parents not to allow their children around Colletti. Let us pray that Father Perez will come to his senses and do the right thing to protect the children and others at the chapel.
Fr. Perez is a pretty intelligent priest.Strike one: Father Perez never asked Joseph Colletti for his papers of ordination and it turned out had he done so he'd have known Colletti was a child molester who was laicized and ordered to never present himself as a priest or say a public Mass.
I just don't understand his lack of protecting the Faithful by better vetting priests he allows at OLHC.
I was thinking of Wiest's proclamation that he would be performing a miracle soon. If that is the case, perhaps the demonic is active within him and he may curse you if you publicly turn on him.
No true Catholic fears "curses" from possessed persons. Instead we pray for their deliverance from evil.Why the inverted commas on the word curse? Curses are real so be sure you pray at a good distance. We are not to test God.
Why the inverted commas on the word curse? Curses are real so be sure you pray at a good distance. We are not to test God.God's power is greater than the so-called "power" of demons.
I was thinking of Wiest's proclamation that he would be performing a miracle soon. If that is the case, perhaps the demonic is active within him and he may curse you if you publicly turn on him. Kind of like OLMC's warlock.This suggestion sounds like a setup straight from Mr. Wiest himself.
A well-written flyer with photos, clandestinely plastered on the windshields of each car during a mass would suffice.
Then LEAVE and never look back.
This suggestion sounds like a setup straight from Mr. Wiest himself.Nope, not Wiest.
Why the inverted commas on the word curse? Curses are real so be sure you pray at a good distance. We are not to test God.agreed.
God's power is greater than the so-called "power" of demons.I see. We agree. Then it is just a question of the use of commas.
According to Spain's experienced exorcist, Fr. Jose Fortea, "A curse is an action that is done to harm another with the help of demons. There are specific curses to kill, to cause one to be possessed, to make things go bad in business, and to make someone sick, etc. …Curses are effective only if God allows them to have effect.
The Oxford Manual of Style says scare quotes may serve ‘to hold up a word for inspection, as if by tongs, providing a cordon sanitaire between the word and the writer’s finer sensibilities’. It’s a technique that quickly wears thin, so style guides sometimes caution against its excessive use. And there’s a related problem: non-standard emphasis. Sometimes people use quotation marks to stress a word or phrase, and this clashes with the general understanding of how the marks – and scare quotes – are properly used.
"Bishop Tom is an independent Bishop who claims to be a Traditional Catholic. He received ordination (presumably validly in the traditional rite) from a non-Catholic schismatic, and then was made a Bishop by the same schismatic. Tom was made a Bishop within a few days after his ordination by the non-Catholic Bishop. This means that, in a few days, Tom went from being a layman to a Bishop – all at the hands of a non-Catholic schismatic who doesn’t even profess to be Roman Catholic."No miracle yet?
So within a few days he when from being a layman to Bishop? That may help explain how it was that Mr. Wiest went from being the proud owner of a Chinese antique shop to being the proud worshiper at his home altar to Buddha -- complete with antique Buddha statue, antique Chinese screen, the white candles and lotus flower and of course the antique mirror in order to communicate with the dead. All the info of setting up an altar to Buddha is available online and meshes perfectly with the photo taken inside Mr. Wiest's home by two former chapel members who saw the pagan altar and fled in terror.
The real question is what is wrong with Father Perez that he allows this pagan Buddha worshiper to continue to pose as a priest? Wiest now says that he had apparitions as a child and expects to work a miracle any day now.
No miracle yet?While probably a conman, demons and the demonically possessed can work false signs and wonders.
Did Wiest make Plinio or Dona Lucila appear at the chapel?Please explain
OLMC should be shut down.OLHC. sorry. the similarities are all to much to ignore.
Marshall Roberts is looking for a place to land. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up at OLHC.Given that Perez was the one to expel Roberts from the Gricigliano seminary, I doubt it.
Given that Perez was the one to expel Roberts from the Gricigliano seminary, I doubt it.I don't have a horse in this race but that statement is not true.
I don't have a horse in this race but that statement is not true.You are the one who needs to get your facts straight. Ever hear about the SSJ? The facts regarding SSJ, pervert Roberts and Father Perez are here: https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/
Fr. Perez has never expelled Roberts of any place, let alone a seminary. Get your facts straight.
I'm from that neck of the woods (Orange County, CA) and very new to traditional Catholicism. I discovered OLHC and thought I had found a home so I looked through CathInfo because I was curious if anyone knew about it. I found so much info here and I stopped going to OLHC after all the things I've read.Sad situation. Far south is the SJC Mission which has an indult at 6:30 a.m. on Sundays. To the north west are indults in Costa Mesa and in Huntington Beach. SSPX is in Arcadia I think, or maybe it's Duarte which literally has no parking for those of us unable to walk long distances. Indult would not be my first choice, but it's better than Perez's chapel with a history of a pedophile priest, a Buddha-worshiping layman posing as a priest, a Pfiefferville young man who believes himself to be a priest and a school board infested with Plinio- worshipers.
For those wondering why this thread is so important let me 'splain by giving a Geography & History lesson. OLHC is in Orange County CA, a densely populated region, unlike some far-flung regions of the country. Not only that, but it sits smack dab between Disneyland & Knott's Berry Farm, so it has not only their regular parishioners but visitors from all over. They have a school & a Hall which has coffee & donuts after Mass so people can meet & greet. It was under a saintly priest for years who passed away a few years ago leaving it to Perez, who he said was the best he could do given the scarcity of priests.I assisted at a couple Masses there when my family and I went on vacation to Disney. I'm from Ohio. We visited my sister who lives nearby. Now I may think twice before going back there the next time we visit my sister, depending on how things are going whenever that may be.
As bad as Perez is now, he actually has grown up & improved since he first arrived. A died in the wool Catholic wouldn't go to an Insult Mass & the nearest other church is the SSPX church in LA county about 30 miles away. Maybe that doesn't sound very far away but we have freeways here that constantly hum with cars & some very bad drivers so you take your life in your hands when to get on them.
To sum up - OLHC is an important little church that has serviced people from all over in this sad world & people need to know what goes on there. This thread does a great service in doing that & if you're not interested, no one is forcing anyone to read about it. Hope this helps.
If you go to Fr. Perez's Mass you'd be OK as he is valid. Avoid any other. As far as I know Fr. Starbuck hasn't been conditionally ordained.Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.
Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.Can you please provide any proof of this conditional ordination? Who was the bishop that did the conditional ordination?
Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab.Wow. This priest is a hero.
... he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab.You've given me a whole new respect for Fr. Perez.
Fr. Starbuck, Fr. Sretenovic and Fr. Perez were all conditionally re-ordained when Fr. Sretenovic was having doubts about his ordination. Personally, I would rather go to Fr. Starbuck's masses because he doesn't say weird things like Fr. Perez saying you will go to hell if you take the jab. Of course many of us avoid Mr. Weist, and many have left due to the many problems mentioned in this thread.I know Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by b. Zendejas, but that was after he left OLHC.
I never heard that the 2 Fr. S's were ever conditionally ordained, so I too need to know more. Fr. Perez was validly ordained so why would he be conditionally ordained? We need more info, please.Because there is positive doubt for the NO Episcopal Consecrations. Perez's bishop (Cardinal Strickler) was not a valid minister.
You are the one who needs to get your facts straight. Ever hear about the SSJ? The facts regarding SSJ, pervert Roberts and Father Perez are here: https://www.theinquiry.ca/wordpress/rc-scandal/other-countries/u-s-a/background-article-on-the-society-of-st-john/Of course I've heard of SSJ and wouldn't touch them with a 10ft. pole.
As a seminarian at the Institute of Christ the King (http://www.institute-christ-king.org/) in Gricigliano, Italy, Roberts was expelled in 1993 by the seminary’s then vice-rector, Father Patrick Perez. Father Perez expelled Roberts for writing explicit love letters to a younger seminarian with whom Roberts was enamored. The younger seminarian, who did not appreciate Roberts’ advances, gave the love letters to Father Perez who then saw to it that Roberts was dismissed from the seminary within 24 hours.
I know Fr. Sretenovic was conditionally ordained by b. Zendejas, but that was after he left OLHC.What about Father(?) Paulo Alvarez (aka "Paul Norton"), what's his status and he's still with Fr. Perez?
Pretty sure Perez was never conditionally ordained.
Not sure about Fr. Starbuck.
What about Father(?) Paulo Alvarez (aka "Paul Norton"), what's his status and he's still with Fr. Perez?Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.TIA seems to be a TFP adjunct, although the relationship isn't wholly clear, and perhaps they are more aligned with the Plino de Correa Institute, but that body is more soundly traditional than TFP clearly rejecting environmentalism and land reform in Brazil. The Prince Imperial of Brazil, Prince Bertrand supports the Institute. Perhaps it is a TIA sub cult or another TFP breakaway as Atila is no no longer properly a TFP member. If someone reads TIA, there are many articles with calumny towards Abp Lefebvre. For this rad trad chest beating attacking V2, Atila goes to a diocesan TLM.
The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.
The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.
When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.
Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
This is the gαyest thread of all-time.That's insulting to Poche.
Can we invite Poche back (or maybe Poche is the OP)?
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.
The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.
The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.
When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.
Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.
The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.
The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.
When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.
Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
Father Alvarez Norton was brought to the US from South America by the anti-Catholic cult which calls itself Tradition in Action. They housed him and paid for his immigration attorney. They also introduced him to Father Perez who brought him to OLHC.Untrue. Fr. Pfeiffer brought Fr. Norton to the USA as a "seminarian". Fr. Norton left OLMC in short order, was ordained, then allowed at OLHC.
The primary leader of the TIA cult is Marian/Marion Horvat, the sister of John Horvat III, who heads TFP cult in the US.
The figure head is cult-leader Atila Guimarães aka Plinio Slave # 11. It's well docuмented that Atila laid on his face in front of layman Plinio, publicly said his confession to this layman, repeatedly said a mockery ot the Ave Maria to Plinio, participated in a mockery of the consecration to Mary -- making a consecration to Plinio. Atila's website still says Plinio is greater than God.
When Atila wrote an article attaching Archbishop Léfèbvre as a freemason, Father Alvarez left the TIA cult.
Norton suddenly learned that his immigration attorney (who was being paid by Atila Guimaraes and Marian Horvat) had LOST his immigration papers. Unknown persons called the immigration authorities and he was deported.
Any sane Catholic should stay clear from any TFP / Harolds of the Gospel and anything related to Plinio or his Mother.Is that video of TFP slaves worshipping Plinio? That looks like his mother in the photo, who they also worship and to whom they pray a "litany" in a mockery of a Catholic litany.
As far as I'm concerned the only thing they are missing is the kool-aid. And the resurrection of Plinio!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4AM84i-gD4
Is that video of TFP slaves worshipping Plinio? That looks like his mother in the photo, who they also worship and to whom they pray a "litany" in a mockery of a Catholic litany.Yep, you've described the video alright. How some take this kind of BS for Catholicism is just beyond me.
Yep, you've described the video alright. How some take this kind of BS for Catholicism is just beyond me.The ultimate controlled opposition are the cults which pretend to be Catholic.
Miss Horvat told me she and TFPs John Horvat are unrelated.(https://images.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2015/132/113735296_1431525494.jpg) (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#)
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The following declaration was registered at the Public Archives (August 24, 1984) and published on March 14 1985 in the newspaper La Folha de Manha.
I, the undersigned, Filipe de Freitas Guimarães Ablas, RG (General Registry) 3706587, SP, marital status - unmarried, living in Curitiba (Brazil), Manoel C. so Ribas, No 418, swear to be true that when I belonged to the TFP, Brazilian Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property, in 1967 I entered into a secret society of that association, known as "Sacred Slavery" [Sempre Viva], also known by its members as "Still Living".
The members of this secret society have made a consecration of themselves as slaves of Dr Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira in the same sense in which St. Louis de Montfort Grignion recommended it be done for the Madonna. For this consecration, as a slave to Dr. Plinio, was used the same text drawn up by St. Louis for the consecration to Our Lady, with some adaptation. We proceeded in this manner because Dr. Plinio was considered to have the same spirit as the Madonna, because his spirit was one with the Wisdom and Immaculate Heart of Mary. The members of that society prayed every day using the following prayer of "Sacred Slavery", composed by Dr. Plinio himself:
"Immaculate Heart of Mary and Wisdom, in the atmosphere of our days when all men are free, are drunk on freedom, I offer myself to you, a slave, to be like the last of the men referred to by My Lord [Plinio]. I offer myself in the atmosphere of these days in which everything speaks of naturalism, so that my life is entirely supernatural.
I am not the one who is alive but it is My Lord [Plinio] that lives in me. "
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Prayers were also recited to him [Plinio], as a parody of the Ave Maria, which incorporate the prophecies of St. Louis, St. Elias and himself:
"Hail, Luigi Plinio Elia (official name of Plinio in the Holy Slavery), full of love and hate, the Blessed Virgin is with you. You are blessed among the faithful, and the fruit of your love and your hatred, which is the counterrevolution, is blessed. Oh holy Luigi Plinio Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. "
Also recited was the rosary using the adapted 'Ave Maria'. Even the meetings began with the same 'Ave Maria', the official prayer of the Holy Slavery and with the ejaculation: "Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, father and admirable leader of counterrevolution and the Kingdom of Mary! Hail, Luigi Pliny Elia, the faithful slave, Immaculate Heart of Wisdom and Mary!" There was also a Litany for him, the 'Doctor', and they said that the prayers had been composed by Marcos Ribeiro Dantas (slave Plinio Paul).
In one of these ejaculatory prayers to Dr. Plinio it was prayed: "The forerunner of Elijah, pray for us!"
Dr. Plinio imparted the blessing to his slaves. Sometimes, when they received it, they were stretched out on the floor, face upwards, and then Dr. Plinio laid his right foot on the face and gave his blessing, saying: "Benedictio Matris et Mediatricis descendat super vos et semper maneat ".
The slaves of Dr. Plinio had the habit of confessing to him, confessing their failings and even their sins. After the accusation, if the slave asked for a penance, Dr Plinio had the habit of giving three slaps to the face of the slave. Following this, he would impart the blessing.
The entry into "Sempre Vivente" took place by means of a ceremony that lasted several hours, in Via Alagoas, on the second floor of the house, and sometimes in other places.
Dr. Plinio sat on a small throne with the habit and the mantle of the Third Order. The assistants used a habit without the mantle. The person who was about to be introduced to that company relaxed, as if dead, prostrate upon the ground in front of Dr. Plinio. At this point, from Dr. Plinio, was received the order to stand up to receive a new life and he [Plinio] intoned: "Exsurge." This meant that the person had died and was born a new man, a slave of the prophet, an Apostle of the Last Times.
The person then fulfilled his consecration as a slave and delivered his whole being, material and spiritual, to Dr. Plinio. Symbolic objects were used. Dr. Plinio acquired an absolute right, as with the old slave of the Roman Law, except for the right to life and death. That is why they call it "Dominus Plinius."
The ceremony continued with the feet and hands of the Prophet [Plinio] being kissed by the slave. Then, Dr. Plinio left the throne and there sat his new slave, since he was a new Plinio. Dr. Plinio kissed the feet and hands of his new slave.
So, the effect was of a transforming union that took place between them; one living in the other. The slave was a new Plinio. For this reason was adopted the name of Plinio composed with that of another, of a patron and a title of Our Lady. For example, I chose to become Plinio Bernardo Dimas Longinos of Our Lady, Queen of the Holy Apostles of the Last Times. I was known as Plinio Dimas.
We could not communicate with other members of TFP the existence of "Sacred Slavery," because - of course - of the nature of this secret society.
The twelve first slaves were:
1) Caio Vidigal Xavier da Silveira - Plinio Mário.
2) Eduardo Barros Brotero - Plinio Eduardo.
3) Luiz Nazareno of Assunpção Filho - Plinio Luiz.
4) João Clá Dias Scognamiglio - Plinio Fernando.
5) Humberto Braccesi - Plinio Cirineu.
6) Fernando Siqueira - Plinio Bernardo.
7) Carlos Espírito Hofmeister Poly - Plinio Jose.
Marcos Ribeiro Dantes - Plinio Paulo.
9) Mário Navarro da Costa - Plinio Elias.
10) Dom Bertrand de Orleans e Bragança - Plinio Miguel.
11) Atila Sinke Guimarães - Plinio Márcio.
12) Becca Cosme Varella Hijo - Plinio Lázaro.
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(https://images.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2015/132/113735296_1431525494.jpg) (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#)wow. she came across so honest...
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John William Horvat[th]Birth[/th]
[th]Death[/th]
28 Oct 1921
Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA[th]Burial [/th]
12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA[th]Memorial ID[/th]
Leavenworth National Cemetery (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/109419/leavenworth-national-cemetery)
Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
113735296 · View Source (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#source) John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com
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Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013
:laugh2: This is mad stuff.Nope. Just a bunch of lies being spread by one particular cathinfo member who has a reputation for slandering the one group responsible for bringing forth, and who is still spreading the devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.
Nope. Just a bunch of lies being spread by one particular cathinfo member who has a reputation for slandering the one group responsible for bringing forth, and who is still spreading the devotion to Our Lady of Good Success.if this doesn't seem "mad" to you, you need REAL help.
Now the devil doesn’t want that, so this kind of thing is to be expected.
(https://images.findagrave.com/photos250/photos/2015/132/113735296_1431525494.jpg) (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#)The evidence shows that Marian lied.
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John William Horvat[th]Birth[/th]
[th]Death[/th]
28 Oct 1921
Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas, USA[th]Burial [/th]
12 Jul 2013 (aged 91)
Lansing, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA[th]Memorial ID[/th]
Leavenworth National Cemetery (https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/109419/leavenworth-national-cemetery)
Leavenworth, Leavenworth County, Kansas, USA
113735296 · View Source (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/113735296/john-william-horvat#source) John William Horvat, 91, of Lansing, KS, passed away July 12, 2013 in Lansing. He was born October 28, 1921 in Kansas City, Kansas and lived all of his life in the area. Mr. Horvat served honorably in North Africa and Italy during World War II. He married Mary Frances Passman in 1951 and they had five children in Bonner Springs. He worked as a pipefitter until retirement in 1983. Mr. Horvat was a devout Catholic, a beloved husband and loving father. He was a parishioner at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. He died peacefully of respiratory complications with all the family members present praying at his bedside. He is survived by three siblings, Fr. Frank Horvat, Barbara Carroll and Rose Waller. He will be missed by his wife, Mary Frances; his sons, John William II and Leo Anthony; his daughters, Jane Frances Ruwe and Marian Therese Horvat; his daughter-in-law Amy Horvat and son-in-law Thomas Ruwe, and his six grandchildren, Daniel, Joseph, Teresa, Michael, Maria and Dominic. His daughter Margaret Catherine preceded him in death. Visitation will be on Sunday, July 14, from 5:00 to 7:00 PM at Skradski Funeral Home at 340 N. 6th St. in Kansas City, Kansas. A Funeral Mass will be on Monday, July 15 at 10:30 AM at St. Philippine Duchesne Catholic Church in Westwood. Burial will be Leavenworth National Cemetery on Tuesday at 9:00 AM. Memorials are asked to be in the form of Masses for the repose of his soul. Arrangements: Skradski Funeral Home, Kansas City, KS 913-371-1404 www.skradskifh-kc.com
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Published in Kansas City Star on July 13, 2013
Madness is an understatement, this is downright an anti-catholic sect!Yes. Weird and anti-Catholic pretending to be Catholic.
Fr. Wiest is in the hospital with covid and not doing well. Please pray for him.:pray: for sure.
Fr. Wiest is in the hospital with covid and not doing well. Please pray for him.Also pray for Fr. Perez who also tested positive for Covid.
The evidence shows that Marian lied.So Marian Horvat of the TIA cult and John Horvat of the TFP cult are siblings.
So Marian Horvat of the TIA cult and John Horvat of the TFP cult are siblings.see reply #148: "wow. she came across so honest..."
What happened to the poster who said otherwise?
Crickets?
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.? or "Fr."What has been posted so far is certainly enough to raise serious questions about Wiest, but it is far from definitive proof.
It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.Hardly.
It looks like the pictures of Wiest with the rhubarb was in 2020. If he were a priest then, I'm quite sure he would have been identified as such. He's definitely being presented as a layman. Now in 2021 he's at OLHC as a priest. And you need more proof?! Men don't become real priests in months. It takes years. Also has anyone been able to see his credentials? As I've said - what more proof do you need?!
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.? or "Fr." It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.So, you found him in lay clothing last year and he was found a very few years ago OPENING a buddhist junk shop (God knows how long it lasted). Not proof enough, in my mind that he is not a priest.
I apologize - It's Tradition In Action that is friends with Perez & not Traditio. :fryingpan: I'm very sorry & hope I caught this in time before too many read it.Not to worry, the errors in this thread are myriad.
How much more proof will some people need to realize that Mr. Wiest is NOT a priest & shouldn't be called Fr.? or "Fr." It's a slap in the face to true priests so stop it.Agreed. Also, we know his pattern for lying.
Not to worry, the errors in this thread are myriad.Except for the photographic evidence
On another thread, I posted this:You left out the role played by Tradition in Action, who are cheerleaders for Mr. Wiest and the root of lies being told about Fr. Starbuck. Other than TIA's involvement, how can it be explained that 3 weeks after Mr. Wiest came to OLHC, Mr. Wiest began telling chapel members "We need to get rid of Fr. Starbuck" (who has been serving OLHC for 14 years.) Their goal is to morph OLHC into a blend of Pfiefferville West along with a center for their Plinio cult complete with photos of Plinio and his mother prominently displayed along with Wednesday night devotions to Plinio's mother in a mockery of an authentic Litany to Our Lady.
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Late-night ER visit: forced to wait outside in cold night air with COPD (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/late-night-er-visit-forced-to-wait-outside-in-cold-night-air-with-copd/msg780284/#msg780284)
« on: October 26, 2021, 01:17:56 PM »
Last night at 9:30 p.m., I was driven to the ER and taken to the outdoor check-in area in a wheelchair while on supplemental oxygen.
When asked about the vaccination, I said I had natural immunity because I had recovered from covid. As a result, my caretaker and I were forced to wait outside. For the two hours we were there, 40 people who came after us were screened and allowed to go indoors where it was warm and well-lit with comfortable seating and clean bathrooms.
It was dark, damp, cold and had a filthy outhouse. IOW, we were discriminated against on the basis of our religious objection to the abortion-tainted vaccine.
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This incident occurred at Kaiser Anaheim, the same hospital where UNVACCINATED Father Starbuck was NOT permitted to give Extreme Unction to Father Perez. This is the same exact hospital policy which affected me. NO ONE is permitted into the wards, nor into the ER without a vaccine.
Father Starbuck argued and talked to supervisors and administrators to try to get in to give the sacraments to Father Perez. Father Starbuck asked if Father Perez's bed could temporarily be moved to an area of the hospital unaffected by that policy. The hospital would not relent. It was left to a VACCINATED priest to go in to give the sacraments.
Calumny against Fr. Starbuck are now being spread by Wiest supporters. Their latest lie is that Father Starbuck was afraid to go into the hospital. They have no shame. They lie because their father is the father of lies.
Please pray for Father Starbuck. Ever since his sermon last Sunday on calumny, they are attacking him with vengeance.
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A minor point also -- In one of his sermons he said that discalced means 'no socks'!! I kid you not!! The man is not a priest.
This priest's Latin skills are in question.If only the problem were poor Latin. Continual lying, manipulation, gossiping, calumny, Buddha worship, posing as a layman or posing as a priest, claiming to have had apparitions as a child, claiming that Our Lady said something she did not say, claiming that he saw a "miracle" of the sun. These serious issues are destroying the chapel.
It is a picture of Karol Wojtyła, better known as John Paul II. While it is debatable if he was the Pope, there is little doubt that he was validly ordained a Priest.Pius XII made him auxiliary bishop of Krakow in 1958, surely one of the Pope's last appointments. The picture seems a clear example of the modern way Conciliar priests tend to hide their priesthood off duty, has a long precedent.
You're completely missing the point of proof. According to you we need to check his family & creds. So you believe that Wiest is a priest? That's fine - the rest of us don't.What you or I believe is irrelevant as to whether Wiest is or is not a Priest. The ONLY thing that determines that is if he was validly ordained, PERIOD.
So that's Karol W. So what? How does that figure in with Wiest?
On another thread, I posted this:How awful!
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Late-night ER visit: forced to wait outside in cold night air with COPD (https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/late-night-er-visit-forced-to-wait-outside-in-cold-night-air-with-copd/msg780284/#msg780284)
« on: October 26, 2021, 01:17:56 PM »
Last night at 9:30 p.m., I was driven to the ER and taken to the outdoor check-in area in a wheelchair while on supplemental oxygen.
When asked about the vaccination, I said I had natural immunity because I had recovered from covid. As a result, my caretaker and I were forced to wait outside. For the two hours we were there, 40 people who came after us were screened and allowed to go indoors where it was warm and well-lit with comfortable seating and clean bathrooms.
It was dark, damp, cold and had a filthy outhouse. IOW, we were discriminated against on the basis of our religious objection to the abortion-tainted vaccine.
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This incident occurred at Kaiser Anaheim, the same hospital where UNVACCINATED Father Starbuck was NOT permitted to give Extreme Unction to Father Perez. This is the same exact hospital policy which affected me. NO ONE is permitted into the wards, nor into the ER without a vaccine.
Father Starbuck argued and talked to supervisors and administrators to try to get in to give the sacraments to Father Perez. Father Starbuck asked if Father Perez's bed could temporarily be moved to an area of the hospital unaffected by that policy. The hospital would not relent. It was left to a VACCINATED priest to go in to give the sacraments.
Calumny against Fr. Starbuck are now being spread by Wiest supporters. Their latest lie is that Father Starbuck was afraid to go into the hospital. They have no shame. They lie because their father is the father of lies.
Please pray for Father Starbuck. Ever since his sermon last Sunday on calumny, they are attacking him with vengeance.
You left out the role played by Tradition in Action, who are cheerleaders for Mr. Wiest and the root of lies being told about Fr. Starbuck. Other than TIA's involvement, how can it be explained that 3 weeks after Mr. Wiest came to OLHC, Mr. Wiest began telling chapel members "We need to get rid of Fr. Starbuck" (who has been serving OLHC for 14 years.) Their goal is to morph OLHC into a blend of Pfiefferville West along with a center for their Plinio cult complete with photos of Plinio and his mother prominently displayed along with Wednesday night devotions to Plinio's mother in a mockery of an authentic Litany to Our Lady.Wiest, Croisette, OLMC, TIA all against Fr. Starbuck?
Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies...May God have mercy on you if it turns out that you, Anonymous, are the one spreading the lies.
OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected.God bless fr. Starbuck.
Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.
Dear Parishioners,
Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians. I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks. Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass. After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy. He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary. After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary. Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family. This was a notable development. In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks. This will begin immediately. The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed. Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility. Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass. At the present time, I feel fine. Please keep me in your prayers. You, of course, remain in mine.
In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck
May God have mercy on you if it turns out that you, Anonymous, are the one spreading the lies.Are you a member of OLHC?
God bless fr. Starbuck.Amen.
Are you a member of OLHC?Your first three questions are irrelevant and/or dodging the crux of the matter.
Do you even know what the lies being spread are?
Did you listen to Father Starbuck's sermon on calumny?
Have you looked at the docuмents and photographic evidence on this thread?
Your first three questions are irrelevant and/or dodging the crux of the matter.I tend to agree with you on this one.
Yes, out of sheer morbid curiosity I have read all the posts and looked at the evidence, not only in this thread, but in the numerous others that have been created as well.
The question that is the crux of all these threads is simple: is Wiest a Priest? As I explained yesterday the ONLY thing that determines whether Wiest is a Priest or not is if he was validly ordained. PERIOD. It wouldn't matter if you had a picture of him wearing a pink tutu; has the man been validly ordained?
I do not hold an opinion about Wiest's ordination, or lack thereof, I require solid evidence to make a judgement. Some of the things that have been posted should make everyone at least a bit suspicious of him, but nothing brought forward so far supports demanding that everyone call him "Mr.".
Claims have been repeatedly made that Weist refuses to show docuмentation or discuss the matter.
Claims have been repeatedly made that Perez neglected to obtain proof of Wiest's ordination.
Many claims, but when questioned whether you have personally asked for proof, you don't give a direct yes or no, you just complain about how hard Perez is to talk to or some other lame excuse. From that I have to conclude that the true answer is "no, I have not personally, directly asked Wiest or Perez for proof".
I entered into this when you publicly labelled Wiest an "orgy fan" and an "orgy lover". The only "proof" that you presented to support this claim is two e-mail addresses attributed to Wiest from an internet search. As I stated at the time, I searched my own name and found errors, including an erroneous e-mail address. If you want another example of how erroneous an internet search can be find the thread where someone searched Matthew's name and the results were way off. (it was something like, Matthew has a dozen employees and assets in the millions).
I bring this up to demonstrate that you are very prone to making serious accusations without sufficient evidence to support them. At some point that practice becomes a serious sin and I'm not going to encourage you to sin nor turn a blind eye to it.
Now I don't know if you are just emotionally overwrought and unable to think clearly or if you are malicious. If it is an emotional problem I pray that our Lord, through our Lady, grant you healing.
If you are malicious: Ipse Venena Bibas
I tend to agree with you on this one.Yes. Father Schell, may he rest in peace, based on the best-available information at the time, thought it would be best for the school to own the Church, rather than the Church to own the school. Well-intended decisions often have unintended consequences.
However, the evidence is enough for me to say that Wiest is certainly someone to avoid 100%, priest or not.
It also seems to me that Fr. Perez needs to vet who he allows on the altar more carefully. That is, if he has any say in the matter, as he may be controlled by the "board".
Fr. Schell never liked the idea of a "board", God rest his soul, but he saw no way around it.
Yes. Father Schell, may he rest in peace, based on the best-available information at the time, thought it would be best for the school to own the Church, rather than the Church to own the school. Well-intended decisions often have unintended consequences.Indeed.
Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!Excuse me, but your information is not correct.
Excuse me, but your information is not correct.Thank you for your balanced comment regarding OLHC and the Fr’s there.
Fr. Perez did not purchase his own home, rather, it was purchased for him by his parents.
This does not excuse him, in my eyes. He should still be living in a proper rectory on the Church premises, but so should Fr. Starbuck. They ought to be living in community, praying the Divine Office together and observing some kind of life in common.
Fr. Wiest is another story. He came to the church early this year, February or March I believe, when the good Monsignor was having a surgery. We had the impression he would only be staying a short time; instead, he has become a fixture at OLHC, for better or worse...
I tend to say for worse, because even though I've been away from California for several months, I've been following Fr. Wiest's antics on this forum with interest. He is making himself into a questionable figure when he could resolve doubts by being more transparent.
It would be better for Wiest if he preached a sermon from a book instead of his extemporaneous theorizing. The same goes for Perez and to a lesser extent Fr. Starbuck. The 40 minute sermons there, if you can call them that, are very hard to bear.
Thank you for your balanced comment regarding OLHC and the Fr’s there.Thank you, I think that of all the posts on this subject that this is the best by far!
I have never been to this church, nor do I know any parishioners or the priests there. I have been following this story hoping it would pan out at some point, but some of the comments have been extremely vicious in nature, and many of the posts left a bad taste, so I found myself actually rooting for the underdogs.
Honestly, if there had been even an ounce of charity in those who were posting their concerns about such things, there would be a lot more sympathy from others here.
Sadly, those anonymous ones who are lacking that Catholic prudence and charity have shown that even after correction of their error, they refuse to learn, so this post will also fall on their deaf ears too.
It is a tragedy Fr Perez was sick and now has passed away while this train wreck was going on over here. We can only hope it ends here and now.
I sincerely pray that Fr Wiest has received the Last Sacraments and is on his way to recovery so he can have the chance to clear his name. Whether he chooses to or not is up to him, but while he is ill, and could be on deaths door, we all need to leave this alone.
The people of this church have already lost Mass for a period of time. I hope they have an alternative chapel to get the Sacraments.
.. Fr. Perez didn't want the rectory to be near the church - which is where it usually is & should be - & so he bought a large house for himself in another town several miles from the church!!Um no, Fr. Perez never "bought a large house for himself." Father Perez lived in a trailer park for many years until his parents needed assistance. At that time he moved back to their family home to help both of them with their health problems. When one parent passed away and the other parent went up north to stay with Fr. Perez's sister, Fr. Perez stayed in his family home. Fr. Perez has repeatedly failed to vet priests who some to OLHC (pederast Colletti, Pfiefferville pseudo-priest, and now Mr. Wiest who refuses to show ordination papers.) But let's not make false charges against him.
The moral of this story is -- don't blame the School board for the mess at the church. That was Fr. Perez's job & responsibility & he was too busy with worldly things to bother with it.
Fr. Perez has repeatedly failed to vet priests who some to OLHC (pederast Colletti, Pfiefferville pseudo-priest, and now Mr. Wiest who refuses to show ordination papers.) But let's not make false charges against him.The guy just died. Get on your broom and head back to your coven.
On the day of my ordination in Rome, in 1997, I had holy cards printed. . .
Interesting that two of those email addresses have his name spelled with "ei" instead of "ie".
I believe the correct spelling of his name is Wiest, not Weist. The photos posted on these threads of him in the antique shop in Michigan are all of a Michael Wiest, as well as the other background information.
Apologies for bumping this thread, but there are the following two emails:If you look at the link you posted, it lists
bacchinale@hotmail.com
bacchinale@yahoo.com
Apparently tied to a Michael Wiest with addresses in both Phoenix, AZ and Three Oak, MI.
Arizona address is listed as 11029 N 42nd St, Phoenix, Az.
There is an image of a car on Google Street View. Image is dated as January 2021.
Is the image of the car, shown below, at all familiar?
Nuwber Fact File photo:
https://cdn.nuwber.com/fact-file/Michael-Wiest-563a2456a219445d526eb923.png
Nuwber website with information:
https://nuwber.com/person/563a2456a219445d526eb923
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Uh... that might be, but I would do some research to confirm this Fr. Weist/Wiest is really a priest. You don't want to be attending "masses" where you worship bread, and heaven help you if you go to "confession" with a mortal sin on your soul!I didn't intend my post to be any kind of a "rebuttal". Nothing of the sort. Just pointing out the confusing cloud that seems to hover over Wiest. No, his real name is Michael WIEST and that's been pretty firmly established in the three or four threads that are dealing with this issue. The man pictured in the antique shop in Three Oaks, Michigan in 2015 is without a doubt the same "Fr." Wiest who is now at OLHC. He says himself in the story linked below that he owned another shop between 2008-2010 and presumedly owned the Eclipse shop from 2010 onward, at least until 2015.
I don't think your rebuttal is strong enough to cast aside fears and doubts about this "priest" who could very well be a layman. Caveat emptor.
Just by chance I was listening to one of the taped OLHC masses, and "Fr." Wiest stated the following:Nothing he says is to be trusted.
Time stamp at 25:01
On the day of my ordination in Rome, in 1997, I had holy cards printed. .
OLHC - 4th Sunday after Easter
https://youtu.be/nWdq02PI7fA?t=1501
Is this the same Michael Wiest? This photo is from Three Oaks, Michigan in June 2020. Look at photo 2 of 5 and his name is in the caption.Yes this is the same Wiest currently at OLHC
https://www.harborcountry-news.com/features/three-oaks-farmers-market-filled-with-green-growing-things/article_56f10430-a50b-11ea-bfeb-cf3f97b3ae18.html
(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/harborcountry-news.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/49/74990064-a50b-11ea-ad6c-8fe8e33fea4e/5ed6af70baa5c.image.jpg)
Yes this is the same Wiest currently at OLHC
Any updates of the status of "Fr." Michael Wiest? Is he still hearing confessions and saying Mass without having been vetted by the "School Board?" Do we know yet where he was ordained, when and what bishop ordained him Do we know where he has been serving as a priest for the past 20 years or so? Why does Padre Pio Academy "School Board" allow this to go on without vetting "Fr." Michael Wiest? Why does he continue to vehemently refuse to show his drivers license when ask to do so because its the law if he is working with children (alter boys). Why is there NO MICHAEL WIEST ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET? Any updates? Is he still there? Imagine how the faithful would feel if they realized that they have been made fools of by going to someone for confession, Mass WHO IS NOT A PRIEST! The Class Action Law Suit will be massive against OLHC, Padre Pio Academy and "The Board!" Updates anyone??see reply #322 here:
see reply #322 here:i know several chapels where there are and were phony priests.
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/olhc-laypersons-attempting-to-take-over-chapel-censor-father-starbuck'es-sermon/msg803049/#msg803049
I should have a little time next month I could dedicate to searching for info about wiest. Just takes in-depth googling a few emails and a few phone calls.
Catholic Action is what OLHC needs. Let's go!
When you research, also check out "Bishop" Terrance/ Terrence/ Terance Fulham, friend and protector of pederast ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Father Marshall Roberts and friend of Pfeiffer.
I should have a little time next month I could dedicate to searching for info about wiest. Just takes in-depth googling a few emails and a few phone calls.
When you research, also check out "Bishop" Terrance/ Terrence/ Terance Fulham, friend and protector of pederast ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ Father Marshall Roberts and friend of Pfeiffer.pretty damning evidence.
Fulham was found to be married and have children (work backwards from the death certificate and you will find his marriage certificates). Shortly after he was discovered to be married and have children, he was supposedly found "dead." How convenient for a man who needed a new life and an new name.
Fulham ran two small chapels, each of which had one TLM a month, St. Michael the Archangel and Our Lady of Fatima. A slush fund called "Friends of St. Michael the Archangel Chapel" did not disband and disburse the funds when Fulham supposedly died, but several years later in December of 2020 (right before Wiest/Weist showed up at OLHC).
If you go to the newspaper link on Wiest's Chinese junk store and get his phone number, you can do a reverse search to find all the properties Wiest bought in Jan. 2021 when he was evidently flush with cash.
pretty damning evidence.start with the search box here on Cath Info: Wiest Weist Fulham
sounds like you have done the work for me.
please post the data.
should be easy enough to get a body exhumed to see if there is someone in fulhams casket or not.
also if friends of st. Michael's was a 501c3, all their records are required to be open to the public. who the funds went to should be listed somewhere.
Mr. Pfeiffer (no relation of Fr. Pfeiffer) is an attorney and was fighting a legal battle Fr. Pfeiffer and Mr. Hernandez (aka Pablo) filed against him for statements he made against Fr. Roberts. As far as I know the case is still ongoing. (it is discussed on cathinfo somewhere).
Perhaps Mr. Pfeiffer would be willing to help you find where the funds went and get a casket exhumed.
What priest owns properties????
Roberts works under Fr. Pfeiffer in AZ now.
For pity's sake would somebody just call the police instead of dragging this out?AMEN!! It must be someone who attends/attended the chapel/school.
I'm not the
To the anonymous "We" Individual:
Point well taken (regarding repetition) . However, we're dealing with a grave injustice here!
anonymous "We" Individual:and I want to put this in as kindly a manner as possible.
back at 'cha...
What is your detached "anonymous/we" pompous investment in this matter? Rather than superciliously acting like the thread police and monitoring people's comments here, what relevant & intelligent commentary have you contributed while posting here "anonymously?" BTY, why are you specifically monitoring and are vitally interested in all my postings on all 3 OLHC related threads "anonymously." Tell us WHO YOU ARE!
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.Interesting.
It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)
Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)
Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.
Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.
At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.
P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.
For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
1965: By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.So, however weird it is, Wiest might actually be validly ordained.
1965 (September 16): Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1): The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18): Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
1969: The last remaining member of the Order of the Celestial Messenger died.
1971: The nuns started the Little Sisters School for disabled children.
1987: Schweikert consecrated Theodore Rematt bishop. As Schweikert was very ill, Rematt was nominated his co-adjutor and successor.
1988 (May 29): Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.
It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)
Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)
Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.
Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.
At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.
P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.
For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
"GOOD LORD, GET A GRIP ON YOURSELF!
So why not find a productive and helpful way to channel you're righteous indignation?"
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.So Weist is NOT a Catholic priest.
It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)
Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)
Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.
Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.
At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.
P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.
For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.so he's NOT a Catholic priest.
It’s bad enough that the NAORCC is illegitimate, but it’s worse than that. Bishop Rematt’s branch of the Old Catholic Church grew out of a cult called the New Jerusalem Church of the Celestial Messenger which was founded by Giuseppe Maria Abbate, a barber who says that Jesus walked into his barber shop one day and told him that God had chosen him as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him found a new church. Then he claims that Jesus personally ordained him to the priesthood. (Therefore, no papers of ordination.)
Then, he says, God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello. (Reincarnation?)
Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.
Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.
At the meeting no questions were permitted. When people started asking questions, they were told to leave and the lights were turned off. Prior to the abrupt closing of the meeting, it was announced that the son of the board member/ principal was being named as the 5th board member.
P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.
For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.He isn't a Catholic priest and you should run the other way. He has no business on the grounds of OLHC in any way, shape, or form.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.
He isn't a Catholic priest and you should run the other way. He has no business on the grounds of OLHC in any way, shape, or form.I agree with
you should run the other way
He isn't a Catholic priesthttps://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2016/10/13/what-is-the-old-catholic-church/
I agree withTell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:
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I agree withtoo squishy for me....
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Tell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:right.
Does it mean that he can have a Buddhist shrine at home?
Does it mean it is okay that he wants to be alone with altar kids without even properly identifying himself?
Does it mean it is okay to have someone in a position of authority with these suspicions be right next to the school kids without proper identification?
There is a reason why there is a thread discussing weirdness from this man claiming to be a priest.
The more this gets unraveled the worse it gets... if Wiest is part of the cult you mention and the school board is fine with that then I know I could never return to OLHC.Evidently the school board asked him and he said he lost it.
School board should demand that he presents a driver's license, no excuses. A good priest would want people to know and a good priest would even lose sleep over the parish having suspicions and asking for ordination and identification details. Wiest on the other hand, seems to take this lightly.
Tell you what... let's assume for a moment that he is a catholic priest:That has zero to do with validity. Do you understand the distinction? A man may indeed be downright evil but still confer valid sacraments. I have not seen anyone here, including me, claim that he is a good priest or that he should not be investigated, or that anyone should receive sacraments from him.
Does it mean that he can have a Buddhist shrine at home?
Does it mean it is okay that he wants to be alone with altar kids without even properly identifying himself?
Does it mean it is okay to have someone in a position of authority with these suspicions be right next to the school kids without proper identification?
There is a reason why there is a thread discussing weirdness from this man claiming to be a priest.
Interesting.Wiest is obviously not a priest.
from your link:So, however weird it is, Wiest might actually be validly ordained.
It was a tough split for OLHC and Fr Starbuck. A lot of people with their emotions running high, perhaps said and did things they have since regretted. Wounds were very raw after losing Fr Perez, and so unexpectedly. Deaths of loved ones are always tough on families, and parish families also.Beautifully said.
Would it be too soon to say that Fr Starbuck is now doing quite well under the circuмstances? He is well loved, has much support from laity, to the point of needing three Masses to serve them all!
The people lost one priest, but God didn’t send them away empty handed.
Perhaps I’m already used to the catacombs that it already seems so simple to me for a priest to set up just about anywhere for a Mass.
I had the joy once of having Mass said in my own living room at home years ago. What a gift..that ONE MASS.
Let them have their chapel building, you have a priest in Fr Starbuck.
Wiest is obviously not a priest.Abbate did NOT ordain Schweikert. Read it again.
Do you buy into the following? (from the link)
"Jesus personally ordained Abbatetto the priesthood and God told Abbate that he was born on Mars. After he died at age seven, he went to heaven. However, he only stayed there briefly as God wanted him to save humanity from perdition. Therefore, he was transported to earth and reborn in a family in Isnello." (Reincarnation?)
Did you miss this part?
Abbate “ordained” Schweikert and after Abbate died, "Archbishop" Schweikert was enthroned in 1968 as the Celestial Messenger’s successor.
Schweikert “ordained” Rematt and in 1988 Schweikert died and was succeeded by "Archbishop" Rematt.
None of them were valid: not Abbate, not Schweikert, not Rematt and not Wiest.
Abbate did NOT ordain Schweikert. Read it again.1955 (June 4): John E. Schweikert was ordained a priest in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
1965: By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
That has zero to do with validity. Do you understand the distinction? A man may indeed be downright evil but still confer valid sacraments. I have not seen anyone here, including me, claim that he is a good priest or that he should not be investigated, or that anyone should receive sacraments from him.That is a big If, at the center of this whole issue. And yes I understand the distinction but I don't think you see the severity of the problem. Let me stress this point, kids are potentially in danger by having someone with a position of authority be around them without being properly identified, not just as a priest but as any grown adult would have in position of authority before children, whether it be a teacher, principal on in this case including a priest, etc. that has that level of access to children and trust from children. I'm not accusing him of anything, just making an observation that having that position of authority could be abused and I would hope that said position of authority would be scrutinized.
If he is a priest, he should be addressed as Father, not to honor him but to honor HIM.
If he is a priest, he would be an option in an emergency situation. If I were near death and my choices were no priest or valid but weird priest guess what? I would choose the weirdo.
Interesting.1) Sacraments from the Old Catholics, including Holy Orders, are generally considered valid, just like Eastern Orthodox.
from your link:
Quote
Two problems with Wiest:
1. The Old Catholic Church is NOT Catholic.
2. The "line" he is from is an Abbate cult.
What follows is from the same link:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
(N.B. Written by supporters of the Abbate cult)/
n 1919, Abbate’s New Jerusalem Catholic was incorporated by the State of Illinois. The trust agreement which was appended to the application included clauses on the church organization and Abbate’s role in it. The New Jerusalem Catholic Church was defined as a hierarchical organization governed by a single individual, Giuseppe Maria Abbate. He was “the sole Trustee of the Church,” and the docuмent underlined his absolute authority and his uniqueness as the divinely elect Celestial Messenger and the Celestial Father. Although he might have successors as the church leader, none would have the same elevated status that he had.
As a way to counteract Abbate and his Church, in 1919, the Roman Catholics inaugurated the St. Callistus parish at 2167 DeKalb Street, just a few blocks away from the New Jerusalem Church headquarters, which was pastored by Italian clergy. The Archdiocese explicitly stated that the foundation was a reaction to the local presence of Abbate and his congregation. Moreover, on Sundays and feast days, Roman Catholic clergy stood outside the Celestial Father’s Church telling the faithful that they were automatically excommunicated if they attended the religious services there.
1967 (December 1): The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenge
Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I
Schweikert died and was succeeded by Archbishop Rematt.
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And yet, the school board expects us to accept that Rematt "ordained" Wiest?
No wonder neither he nor they concocted this story until now.
1955 (June 4): John E. Schweikert was ordained a priest in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1958 (June 8): Schweikert was consecrated a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church.
1963 (October 13): Abbate died, and Marianna Monachino, the Mother General of The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated, took over the administration of the New Jerusalem Church.
1964–1965?: The Mother General approached the Roman Catholic Diocese of Chicago, trying to convince them to send a priest who could administer the sacraments in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1965: By referral of Roman Catholic clergy, the Mother General contacted John E. Schweikert, who had recently become the Archbishop-Primate of the North American Old Roman Catholic Church. He accepted to administer the sacraments while investigating the status of the New Jerusalem Catholic Church.
1965 (September 16): Schweikert said his first Mass in the Sacred Heart of Jesus Church.
1967 (December 1): The Mother General appointed Schweikert the Successor of the Celestial Messenger, Giuseppe Maria Abbate, though Schweikert did not believe in Abbate’s divine status, nor accept his episcopal consecration.
1968 (February 18): Archbishop Schweikert was enthroned as the Celestial Messenger’s successor, and he was given the name Santo Padre Maria Michael I.
OLHC held their meeting last night in the church hall, announcing that they have a letter saying that Wiest was ordained in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church (NAORCC) by Bishop Rematt.Horrifying.
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P.S. The school board said they asked Wiest for his drivers’ license and he said he lost it.
For details on Wiest’s cult, see:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
1) Sacraments from the Old Catholics, including Holy Orders, are generally considered valid, just like Eastern Orthodox.Nice try Mr. Wiest.
2) You edited the quote (accidentally, I'm sure), here's the full one:
That is a big If, at the center of this whole issue. And yes I understand the distinction but I don't think you see the severity of the problem. Let me stress this point, kids are potentially in danger by having someone with a position of authority be around them without being properly identified, not just as a priest but as any grown adult would have in position of authority before children, whether it be a teacher, principal on in this case including a priest, etc. that has that level of access to children and trust from children. I'm not accusing him of anything, just making an observation that having that position of authority could be abused and I would hope that said position of authority would be scrutinized.When did I or anyone else say that Fr. Wiest should be trusted with anything, especially children?
How can he defend, protect and impart the faith while doing things that could endanger the faith? Now a chapel is divided over this. I doubt a good priest that understands the privilege of the priesthood would let all these questions about his validity and basic identification clutter the minds of his sheep making them scatter.
Nice try Mr. Wiest.I'm not Wiest and I am not the one editing quotes. Come back when you can be more honest.
Wiest is from the Abbate line.Traditional Catholicism does not need more pervs and nutjobs.
In the link written by Abbate supporters:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
1922 (September 10): Abbate, now most often known as Padre Celeste, was reported to the police for having abused a twelve-year-old girl sɛҳuąƖly.
1923: Abbate was tried for sɛҳuąƖ assault, declared criminally insane, and confined to Elgin State Hospital.
1926: Abbate founded a female religious order: The Order of Our Most Blessed Mother, Queen of Peace Reincarnated.
1931: Abbate was reported to the police for statutory rape of a thirteen-year-old girl. At the subsequent trial, he was sentenced to life imprisonment.
1932: The Supreme Court of Illinois invalidated the first trial and relegated the case to a lower court. At the new trial, Abbate was sentenced to ten years in prison, but was later declared criminally insane and once more brought to the mental institution.
In the link written by Abbate supporters, according to Abbate:
https://wrldrels.org/2020/05/10/new-jerusalem-church-of-the-celestial-messenger/
“Christ entered his barbershop on Polk Street. Taking a seat in the barber’s chair, Christ asked Abbate if he knew Hebrew. Answering in the negative, Christ used Latin to state that God had chosen Abbate as his Celestial Messenger, ordering him to preach and found a church. On this occasion, Christ also ordained him to the priesthood so that he could fulfil this mission.
“he had a vision of an angel ... When Abbate walked out on the street, he was suddenly brought up in the air and realized that he was healed ... he could have chosen to go to Heaven but decided to fulfil his mission on earth. Then God said “My divine authority is already in you”. To Abbate, it was a confirmation that be possessed divine powers, that he was omnipotent and omniscient.
“Apart from realizing that he possessed divine powers, Abbate somewhat later claimed that God had revealed that he had an extraterrestrial origin. He was born on Mars, a planet he described as sin-free and a place where the people showed great reverence for their creator. However, at the age of seven, he was run over by a chariot and died. After his death, Abbate traveled through the universe and came before God’s throne. ... an angel brought him to Isnello, where he was reborn in a Sicilian family. Later in life, Abbate made detailed drawings of Mars and its cities, and his travels through space..
“he maintained that he had caused the Spanish flu to combat human sinfulness and that he was responsible for the epidemic stalling. Moreover, he thought that if humanity only had submitted to his authority, the World War would have been halted, as he was the promised Prince of Peace."
Wiest is from the Abbate line.Flat out false, unless you are working from a different source.
When did I or anyone else say that Fr. Wiest should be trusted with anything, especially children?Neither you, nor anyone else said that he should be trusted around children, I'm stating the fact is that he is around them. I made a statement, that people in position of authority should be subject to scrutiny before they are trusted around school children by themselves.
The reason that I bothered to get into this in the first place is because of the adamant insistence of some that Fr. Wiest is definitely not a priest and MUST be addressed as Mr.
The priesthood does not belong to the man who has received it, it is from God Himself. So even if I wouldn't trust the guy to mow my lawn, the priesthood MUST be respected. Is what I am trying to say a bit clearer now?
At one point Wiest claimed he was ordained in Italy, and now he is supposed to have been ordained by the “Old Catholics”?Thank you for pointing that out. As the title says, more weirdness.
Abbate > Schweikert > Rematt > WiestAccording to the sources given, Schweikert was NOT ordained or consecrated by Abbate.
According to the sources given, Schweikert was NOT ordained or consecrated by Abbate.Abbate (who was NEVER ordained as a Catholic priest) handed the reins of his child-abusing cult over to Schweikert.
Abbate > Schweikert > Rematt > Wiest (IF that is his real name.)
For the same reason I would not presume a Eastern schismatic "bishop" or "priest" to have valid orders.
Carfora established the “North American Old Roman Catholic Diocese” in Chicago after his consecration as bishop by the Prince de Landes Berghes in 1916.
After a succession of pastors, Father Zigmunt K. Vipartas was hired at Holy Cross. Vipartas was ordained a priest by Orthodox Archbishop Solovej, a soap maker in the city of Montevideo, Uruguay in 1928.6 Vipartas was consecrated by Archbishop Carfora on August 15, 1944 for the Lithuanian community and specifically the church of Holy Cross in Westville, Illinois.
(. . .)
The next episcopal activity occurred in 1958, when Bishop John Schweikert was consecrated by Archbishop Richard Arthur Marchenna assisted by Bishop Vipartas. Bishop Schweikert listed other other people as his consecrators but this appears to be the most accurate.7 Bishop Vipartas previously ordained Schweikert on June 4, 1955. Schweikert continued as Vicar General under Archbishop Marchenna after his consecration, later departing from him and joining Archbishop Cyrus Starkey of Connecticut.
Note 7: Lundberg, M. & Craig, J. (2018). Giuseppe Maria Abbate: The Italian-American Celestial Messenger. Uppsala University.
https://magnuslundbergblog.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/uppsala-studies-vol-7-lundberg-craig.pdf.
Archbishop Mathew consecrated Rudolph de Landas Berghes as Regionary Bishop of Scotland in June of 1913.
Bishop de Landes Berghes 1917 - 1919
Archbishop Carmel Henry Carfora 1919 - 1958
Bishop Sigismund Vipartas 1958 - 1961
Archbishop John E. Schweikert 1961 - 1988
Archbishop Theodore J. Rematt 1988 - 2016
At one point Wiest claimed he was ordained in Italy, and now he is supposed to have been ordained by the “Old Catholics”?
Something isn’t smelling right.
The Most Rev. Theodore J. Rematt, OD, OSJ
Most Rev. Theodore J. Rematt, OD, OSJ, 71, Patton, entered into eternal life Jan. 27, 2016, at UPMC Altoona Regional Hospital. Born Jan. 16, 1945, in Spangler, son of Joseph and Alice (Haffly) Rematt. Preceded in death by parents; brothers, Richard D. Rematt and infant brother, Kenneth; nephew, Bobby Rematt; sister-in-law, Elizabeth (Kane) Rematt; and brother-in-law, William Lann. Survived by brothers and sisters, Robert Rematt, Carrolltown; Diana (Elwyn) Tomkinson, Michigan; Donna Lann, Northern Cambria; Frances (Leo) McConnell, Northern Cambria; Thomas Rematt (Nancy Firment), Hastings; Penny (Ron) McMurray, Hastings; Josie (Harry) Costello, Homer City; and Debbie (Donny) Eagler, Cherry Tree; and many nieces and nephews. Also survived by longtime friend and caregiver, Bul Morales and his faithful companion, his dog, Wallace. A U.S. Navy veteran. Formerly employed as a banker in New Jersey for 25 years prior to entering the priesthood. He was ordained to the Holy Priesthood on May 28, 1982, and consecrated Bishop on June 22, 1987, by the Most Rev. John E. Schweikert in Colorado. After serving in the Chicago area for many years, Father Ted returned home in 2004, where he began SS. Lazarus, Martha and Mary Old Roman Catholic Church in the former St. Lawrence Catholic Church. Father Ted also served the area as chaplain for Horizons Hospice until 2015. Friends will be received from 2 to 4 and 6 to 8 p.m. Friday at Moriconi Funeral Home Inc., Northern Cambria, and from 9:30 a.m. until time of funeral Mass at 11 a.m. Saturday at SS. Lazarus, Martha and Mary Old Roman Catholic Church, the Most Rev. Bishop Louie Malazio and the Rev. Father Leonard Bealko, concelebrants. Interment, church cemetery. Military honors by local veterans organizations.
Bishpp Rematt was an Archbishop in the Old Roman Catholic Church for many years.
And Rematt “ordained” Wiest. And the school board has the letter to prove it.
Perhaps I missed it, but does Wiest have a car? Where does he live? Does he live in the house where Fr. Perez lived? If he drives, he's driving without a license.Yes he has a car. He lives with his Buddha altar in a home provided by those of us who have contributed to OLHC. Father Perez's family owned the home where he lived. Wiest is either driving without a license or driving with a license with a different name. Whoever he is, he is not a Catholic priest.
So even if one was to give Wiest the benefit of the doubt, that he was actually ordained by a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church, let's see what the NAORCC claims to believe:You have hit on the main question. What is wrong with the school board that they continue to provide this imposter with a home and a salary? The school board has never asked him to explain why he was a layman, as seen in photos on this thread.
https://www.naorcc.org/faq
If you read the docuмent, you will find that:
1. they ordain married priests.
2. they will declare an "Ecclesiastical Divorce" for a couple when they experience, not the physical death of a spouse, but upon "the death of the marriage."
3. their version of the "Tridentine Mass" may be "celebrated in the vernacular tongue."
So under a best case scenario for "Fr. Wiest," he would need to publicly renounce any and all heretical positions that he once took as a priest of that NAORCC false Church and convert to authentic Catholicism. Why would anyone want to have such a person leading their Church?
Yes he has a car. He lives with his Buddha altar in a home provided by those of us who have contributed to OLHC. Father Perez's family owned the home where he lived. Wiest is either driving without a license or driving with a license with a different name. Whoever he is, he is not a Catholic priest.scary stuff here
So even if one was to give Wiest the benefit of the doubt, that he was actually ordained by a bishop in the North American Old Roman Catholic Church, let's see what the NAORCC claims to believe:NOT Catholic.
https://www.naorcc.org/faq
If you read the docuмent, you will find that:
1. they ordain married priests.
2. they will declare an "Ecclesiastical Divorce" for a couple when they experience, not the physical death of a spouse, but upon "the death of the marriage."
3. their version of the "Tridentine Mass" may be "celebrated in the vernacular tongue."
So under a best case scenario for "Fr. Wiest," he would need to publicly renounce any and all heretical positions that he once took as a priest of that NAORCC false Church and convert to authentic Catholicism. Why would anyone want to have such a person leading their Church?
OLHC is temporarily closed. Father Perez is slowly improving. Let us continue to pray for him. Let us also pray that Mr. Wiest and others who continue to spread lies against Father Starbuck will repent. Let us pray for Father Starbuck to be protected by Our Lady and St. Michael and all the angels and saints, that he may be given the grace to withstand the character assasination, lies, calumny, hate mail and other attacks to which he is being subjected.
Here is Father Starbuck's email to chapel members.
Dear Parishioners,
Recent days and weeks have seen a heightened occurrence of Coronavirus at Our Lady Help of Christians. I have kept a cautious eye on occurrences, especially this past couple of weeks. Yesterday, I had a server who was coughing at the 7:30 Mass. After the Gospel reading, I asked him to leave the sacristy. He did not understand, and proceeded to join the other servers on the Epistle side of the sanctuary. After my sermon, I was able to make my instructions clear for him to leave the sanctuary. Today I was informed that this server did, indeed, have Coronavirus, as did his family. This was a notable development. In order to arrest the transmission of Coronavirus in our parish, I see no alternative but to cancel public Masses for a period of at least two weeks. This will begin immediately. The Sunday 10:00 AM Mass will be live-streamed. Discussions about having Communion did not indicate that that was a practical or real possibility. Therefore, the chapel will be closed to the public.
Having this exposure means that there is a possibility that I, too, could become sick; and if so, that I might not be able to celebrate the Sunday Mass. At the present time, I feel fine. Please keep me in your prayers. You, of course, remain in mine.
In our Lord,
Fr. Starbuck
Grace-filled beautiful blessings from God to Fr. Starbuck today! A magnificent successful day at Fr. Starbuck's St, Dominic's Chapel. There were 50 souls at the 7:30 Mass and 65 souls at the 9:30 a.m. Mass. Almost standing room only! Father was so pleased.Ten of us were sitting in Father's living room and kitchen. Yea!
In addition, today was the first day of the live "feed" on UTube of the Mass entitled "St. Dominic's Chapel (Fr. Cedrik Starbuck). It can be seen anytime now. As of now, there are 307 views today! A wonderfully successful day for God's servant Fr. Starbuck!
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.Hard to derail this
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.Fr. Weist, through the school board identification of his lineage, has made it clear he is not a priest.
Fr. Weist, through the school board identification of his lineage, has made it clear he is not a priest.We and other families have contributed money to OLHC for decades to support the chapel, not to support Mr. Wiest. The school board continues to use the money contributed to the chapel to support a fake priest and to provide him with a house (with a Buddhist altar) provided by the financial support of chapel members.
add that to these facts:
- Buddhist altar
- Buddhist junk shop
- "lost" drivers license
- refusal to show DL to be near children (law in CA)
and you have a case of run, don't walk, away from him.
It seems he now has congestive heart failure, so perhaps they are allowing charity for a poor soul. would they had done such for Sr. Anastasia. at least they are now praying for her.
This thread is dead. There should be no further interest in this man.
Before this gets further derailed lets bring this back to the original subject of this thread.Yes, I second the motion. Let's not get sidetracked. The title of this thread is More weirdness from “Fr.” Michael Wiest at OLHC.
Can anyone verify that Wiest is still saying Mass at OLHC?No. He is not a Catholic priest and cannot say Mass. He is, however, pretending to say "mass" at the home of someone from OLHC.
No. He is not a Catholic priest and cannot say Mass. He is, however, pretending to say "mass" at the home of someone from OLHC.
We and other families have contributed money to OLHC for decades to support the chapel, not to support Mr. Wiest. The school board continues to use the money contributed to the chapel to support a fake priest and to provide him with a house (with a Buddhist altar) provided by the financial support of chapel members.I meant that there seems to be nothing to add to the weirdness of Mr. Wiest.
Let us not forget that this is the school board that kicked Sister te Deo out of her home two days before Christmas (she has been there since back when we had three sisters including Sister Clair when she was still living.) Why have they not kicked him out?
Wiest has found several deluded people who believe his lies. He pretends to say Sunday "Mass" for them.
The chapel still lacks a permanent priest and is making due with temporary assistance from SSPX. Where would a potential priest live? Would he be expected to share a home with a fake priest with a Buddhist altar?
Repeating an error over and over and over again does not make the error true. As a Catholic you are supposed to actually give a damn about facts and truth, whether they are palatable to you or not.
He is not a Catholic priest, full stop.
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At the home of Guimarães?No. A recent widow.
...he came up with a letter purportedly from the heretical Old Catholic Church saying that his ordination was actually from them, not Rome.Uh...not a good starting point since Old Catholic and Old Roman Catholic are not the same thing although they have common sacramental origins in the Netherlands from Utrecht. The Old Roman Catholics seem to have separated ways with the Old Catholics over a century ago, accusing the Old Catholics of Protestant deviations. Here is an Old Roman Cathuc website: http://caer-glow.rosarychurch.net/
A good starting point is
Old Catholic Church
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Old Catholic Church (disambiguation) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Catholic_Church_(disambiguation)).
Uh...not a good starting point since Old Catholic and Old Roman Catholic are not the same thing although they have common sacramental origins in the Netherlands from Utrecht. The Old Roman Catholics seem to have separated ways with the Old Catholics over a century ago, accusing the Old Catholics of Protestant deviations. Here is an Old Roman Cathuc website: http://caer-glow.rosarychurch.net/The link you provided above is not referencing the correct (false) Church.
The link you provided above is not referencing the correct (false) Church.Interesting. This is from the website of Wiest's North American Old Roman Catholic Church:
Weist claimed that he was ordained in the "North American Old Roman Catholic Church." That is a very specific entity with a very detailed website:
https://www.naorcc.org
Read especially their attempt to explain away of all of their heresies here:
https://www.naorcc.org/faq
Fr. Weist, through the school board identification of his lineage, has made it clear he is not a priest.:confused: Did you read what you wrote?
Repeating an error over and over and over again does not make the error true. As a Catholic you are supposed to actually give a damn about facts and truth, whether they are palatable to you or not.it never ceases to amaze me that two people can read the same data and arrive at two entirely different conclusions.
Assuming that the information provided by "the board" is true, Fr. Wiest's orders are most likely valid.
Should anyone receive Sacraments from him?
In my opinion, NO, with the sole exception of danger of death.
Has anyone checked with the Old Catholics? This whole thing is so crazy that if they say they've never heard of Wiest I wouldn't be surprised.You bring up a good point, especially since Wiest has changed his story so many times.
I am wondering any further news about "Fr." Wiest's presence at OLHC? It seem that he has been feeling the heat from our efforts here and I heard from a source today that he is staying low key and in a somewhat retreating mode and saying Mass?? only at certain family's homes not at OLHC. Is that true?SUPPORTFRSTARBUCK why do you post the same question on two threads? You have a history of doing this..
The board is trying to get rid of him, but he refuses to leave the house that OLHC is paying for. He is saying (illegitimate) Mass at the home of a grieving widow. I pray that he repents.If this is true, good for the board.
The board is trying to get rid of him, but he refuses to leave the house that OLHC is paying for. He is saying (illegitimate) Mass at the home of a grieving widow. I pray that he repents.I wonder if he brought his Buddhist altar with him to the widow's house.
Why can't they serve him an eviction notice?Unfortunately, California does not make it so easy. It is a multi-step, time and resource consuming effort.
Please repeat the same post a few more times, "Support Fr Starbuck".
Don't know if its true or not (correct me if I'm wrong), but the last word I've heard is that Wiest has been asked to leave by the OLHC board and he refuses to do so. I understands he continues to stay at a place that is funded by OLHC faithful (Our money!). At this point, he is basically a shamed fraud/con man who is hunkered down in a place like a criminal on the run!
A triumphant victory for our dear Father Starbuck who was a victim and was abused by Wiest with the evil blessings of "the board" at OLHC. A fraud has been perpetrated and Wiest and "the board" (particularly the individual who banged on the door terrorizing Father while he was in the confessional that Sunday morning should be penalized for their actions!). There should be just consequences paid by Wiest, the Board and this despicable individual! Wiest should not be given the chance of simply fleeing! I believe the fraud he committed was is in some way a criminal act! Does anyone here have any further information or development about Wiest?
Just bumping this thread to ask of any parishioners at OLHC for an update on "Fr." Wiest. Is he back there now, and who are the actual priests staffing the chapel at this time?Call or email them and ask. Create a new email if you want to remain anonymous.
Really just curious, not a parishioner. I did attend Mass there for a time in the past (some years ago) and might like to go there again if I knew there were real priests at the altar and in the confessional.
Wiest is traveling with Pfieffer.Why does this not surprise me?
Just bumping this thread to ask of any parishioners at OLHC for an update on "Fr." Wiest. Is he back there now, and who are the actual priests staffing the chapel at this time?So, Feb 6 bulletin says fr. Dailey and fr. Wiest.
Really just curious, not a parishioner. I did attend Mass there for a time in the past (some years ago) and might like to go there again if I knew there were real priests at the altar and in the confessional.
Wiest is traveling with Pfieffer.How do you know?
So, Feb 6 bulletin says fr. Dailey and fr. Wiest.Polley and burfitt are sspx.
Feb 13 says fr. Polley and fr. Johnson.
Feb 20 says fr. Johnson.
Feb 27 says fr. Polley.
March 6 says fr. Johnson.
March 13 says fr. Burfitt.
Anyone know any of those priests?