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Offline SerpKerp

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Will ISIS Take Iraq?
« on: June 20, 2014, 01:11:01 AM »
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  • So ISIS which is essentially a break off Al Qaeda has control of half of Iraq and Syria now. In the Past two weeks they have unleashed a rapid takeover of over half of Iraq in the process killing thousands, and leaving the weak state on the verge of collapse. The Ultimate Goal of ISIS is to set up a Caliphate over the modern  Syrian/Iraqi states. Why most Americans really do not care any more it seems to me that this is a huge Political Nightmare for everyone's plans in the Middle-East. I was wondering which of these outcomes you think will happen.

    I. ISIS wins and, sets up a Caliphate.
    II. ISIS and Iraq Government go into a stalemate turn Iraq into a state of Anarchy like a Middle Eastern Somalia.
    III. Obama gives Iraq help and with the aid of American Forces restores status Quo.
    IV. Iran directly intervenes, and Iran is able to Set up a string of client/puppet states (Lebanon, Post-Assad victory Syria, and Iraq) to fight against Saudi Arabia or Israel.

    The reason why this is so important I think in Geopolitics is three fold.
    I. America's reputation is being destroyed by this total failure by essentially giving its worst enemy a state.
    II. Now there are Two Proxy Wars in the Saudi Arabian/Iranian Cold War, a war which I think is far more in danger of going nuclear than India/Pakistan.
    III. ISIS is already going to be able unleash a firestorm of Islamic Terrorism everywhere if they win.  

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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2014, 02:02:48 AM »
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  • My concern Serpkerp is that the state controlled media are all reporting the same news about isis, so who are they really?  You can't trust the msm propaganda. The meme is the same, even the al queda boogey man mantra, reformulated as 'isis'.   It's all lies, so what is the real agenda?  

    Remember that israel's plan is to take iraq - see their map from as early as the 40's that details the countries they will incorporate into the new israel - jordan, egypt, iraq, etc.  They've been very successful, in large part due to their US strongarm enforcement dupes and the neocons back home cheering on the poor soldiers like it's a sporting event.  
    Proxy wars galore and few care.


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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2014, 02:41:12 AM »
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  • From the Jerusalem Post
    http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-army-chief-accuses-Israel-of-creating-ISIS-359875

    An RT comment that is interesting:
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    These terrorist groups are all supported and funded by Saudi Arabia and israel to kill as many Muslims and Christians as they possibly can to give Islam a bad name. They are not Sunis, they are anti Muslims and anti Islam. Dont let the zionists fool and brain wash you. 2000 of these terrorists come from Europe and Western countries.


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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2014, 10:27:40 AM »
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  • ISIS will not be able to take the whole of Iraq.  The reason they've been able to conquer the areas they have is because they are Sunni Muslim areas, and ISIS is a band of Sunni Muslims.  They basically faced no resistance.  The population in the south of Iraq is almost entirely Shiite Muslim, and the north in populated by Kurds.

    Unless things change drastically, the Kurds will likely break off and form their own country, and ISIS (Sunnis) and the Iraqi Army (Shiites) will fight it out for the rest of Iraq.  Iran (also Shiite) has already helped, and will continue to help the Iraqi Army.

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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2014, 12:51:24 PM »
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  • The partition of Iraq is a long term Israeli objective.  ISIS, al-Quaida, KSM, and other over-hyped scary names to follow.

    It was floated publicly a few years back as "the Biden Plan," Joe being a complete whore for Talmudistan.  Apparently, they are ready to push once again and are arming their assets to create the necessary havoc and terror.

    Prof. Israel Shahak provided the information some years ago.  This piece is a good introduction:

    The Blood Drippings of Oded Yinon

    The Zionist Plan for the Middle East(.pdf)
     
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    Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets . Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel...so, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north.


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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2014, 07:02:35 PM »
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  • It looks like 1975 once again with the fall of South Vietnam that I remember
    so well.
    There is no way to stop ISIS, they will overrun Baghdad, and the rest
    of IRAQ including the oil fields. Prepare for $10.00 a gallon at the gas
    pump.
    There are two main groups of people in that area, Sunnis and
    Shiite . It is strongly suspected that Sunni Saudi Arabia is behind ISIS.
    We did the stupid thing, leaving behind many weapons and tanks,
    and even American Uniforms.
    We going to pay a terrible price for allowing Those Jewish neo-cons  
    advice to invade Iraq. With the false claim that they were responsible for
    9-11 and had been falsely accused of having weapons of mass destruction.
    Saddam Hussein should have been never been taken put of power, at lease
    there was a measure of freedom for Christians.

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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #6 on: June 21, 2014, 04:25:59 AM »
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  • FROM PRESS TV.

    Webster's Tarpley's 6/19/2014 Nato's ISIS Gambit aims at three Coups.

    75% of the Americans polled are against any
    intervention of booths on the ground in Iraq.
    Solution, for those that remember lessons of WW2 is to pull an another
    Pearl Harbor to change public opinion.
    It is confirmed that the Saudi Arabian Royal Family is behind ISIS.
    Even though not mentioned in the interview, the ultimate target is
    Israel.  
    Even though I do not care about Israel.

    This is getting very bad, and soon WW3 will be thrust upon us at any
    time.


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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #7 on: June 21, 2014, 11:36:33 AM »
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  • Good informational comments.

    Joel Skousen is one of the few out there banging the drum that it's not a financial/economic collapse we have to worry about, or a dollar crisis per se (he makes good argument against all of that), but that Americans need to be preparing for war and the affects of nuclear fallout.  


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    Will ISIS Take Iraq?
    « Reply #8 on: June 21, 2014, 02:09:12 PM »
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  • I been following Joel Skousen for years especially when comes on as a guest
    on the Jeff Rense Internet Radio Show.
    Joel has always said that the ruling elites of the U.S. want's Russia to
    launch a first strike on the U.S.  The elites has been preparing for this
    attack for years in building Hugh underground shelters. While
    disarming our military.
    There is a directive from he Clinton Administration that has not been
    rescinded. ordering our Military to absorb and stand down on the first strike.
    The reason, is to bring in the one world government in which many
    Americans resists today.
    He says the first strike is now less than ten years away, and along with
    Russia, there is China that will assist in the first strike.
    If you are not a follower of rense.com. It is will worth to listen to the
    archive shows at a small investment. Because Joel has not backed
    off from what he has been saying for years.

     

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