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Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2023, 03:37:19 PM »
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  • You're watching what happens when a country's leader has lost the nation. It's that simple. We will see what happens next.

    In my lifetime, there have been many nations around the world (mostly third-world and in the Middle East) in which the leaders had lost their nations. Some of these losses have been due to the US (CIA) overthrowing a government leader and putting in a puppet leader, sympathetic to U.S. interests. That's what happened to Saddam Hussein. He was originally a hit man for the CIA in Irag, who helped the U.S. to overthrow his cousin, who was the leader of Iraq. That's how Hussein got into power. But then he went off-script, and that's when the U.S. went after him too.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #46 on: June 24, 2023, 03:44:51 PM »
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  • You're watching what happens when a country's leader has lost the nation. It's that simple. We will see what happens next.

    I think the idea of Putin having lost the nation is mostly Western propaganda.  From what I can tell, this "coup" is already over.

    According to Ritter, the FSB busted a couple of "terror cells" who were going to coordinate attacks in Moscow with the coup, and elsewhere that the Russians knew this was coming a couple days ago (as a result of the bust).  Intent was to create chaos in Moscow, the perception of weak leadership, that would in turn lead toward the Moscovites welcoming Pigrozhin to come in and "restore order".  Didn't really work out that way.  Sure, there are some Russians who are against the Ukrainian situation, just as there were American Hippies protesting Vietnam, but in neither case was the discontent strong enough to topple a government.

    If there were a coup, it would have to come from the inner circles of the Duma and the Kremlin.  There's no way a clown like Pigrozhin would be allowed to just take over.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #47 on: June 24, 2023, 03:48:28 PM »
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  • In my lifetime, there have been many nations around the world (mostly third-world and in the Middle East) in which the leaders had lost their nations. Some of these losses have been due to the US (CIA) overthrowing a government leader and putting in a puppet leader, sympathetic to U.S. interests. That's what happened to Saddam Hussein. He was originally a hit man for the CIA in Irag, who helped the U.S. to overthrow his cousin, who was the leader of Iraq. That's how Hussein got into power. But then he went off-script, and that's when the U.S. went after him too.

    Hussein actually did a great job of keeping order in Iraq, and he protected the Catholic Church there.  Tariq Aziz, his second-in-command, was a Catholic.  Catholics regularly held processions in the streets, and any Muslims who would dare attack them would be dealt with harshly by Hussein, so no one tried it.  It took an iron hand like his to keep peace in Iraq, since Iraq was a creation of the British (aka the Jews), a fake country with borders deliberately drawn up to include about 50% Shia and 50% Sunni, as per the usual divide, destabilize, and control method of the Jews.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #48 on: June 24, 2023, 03:59:33 PM »
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  • Interesting....







    Derek Broes
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    Let me set this time stamp. If Putin Faked the coup to dupe NATO and oust disloyal military inside Russia. Not mention dupe Ukraine into advancing thinking Russia was weak revealing their entire offensive. All while taking money from NATO 6.2 billion payout through his loyal private militia, is straight our Genius military tactic that may go down as one of the greatest moves in military history. True David and Gollithe scene is this proves to be true




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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #49 on: June 24, 2023, 04:01:07 PM »
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  • Hussein actually did a great job of keeping order in Iraq, and he protected the Catholic Church there.  Tariq Aziz, his second-in-command, was a Catholic.  Catholics regularly held processions in the streets, and any Muslims who would dare attack them would be dealt with harshly by Hussein, so no one tried it.  It took an iron hand like his to keep peace in Iraq, since Iraq was a creation of the British (aka the Jєωs), a fake country with borders deliberately drawn up to include about 50% Shia and 50% Sunni, as per the usual divide, destabilize, and control method of the Jєωs.

    Yes, it's my understanding too that Hussein gave money to churches if they needed it for repairs or building purposes. No strings attached. He also built up a good public school system, and yes he kept the fanatics under control. My understanding of the situation in Iraq came directly from an Iraqi Christian (protestant, I think) who gave a talk in a local church hall that I attended, about the situation in Iraq, just before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. He was very concerned about his country, which he had left a year before.

    I agree that Iraq is a fake country - it's really Persia. The British were the ones who first went after Iraqi oil, then the Americans gained control of it.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #50 on: June 24, 2023, 04:08:09 PM »
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  • Yes, it's my understanding too that Hussein gave money to churches if they needed it for repairs or building purposes. No strings attached. He also built up a good public school system, and yes he kept the fanatics under control. My understanding of the situation in Iraq came directly from an Iraqi Christian (protestant, I think) who gave a talk in a local church hall that I attended, about the situation in Iraq, just before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003. He was very concerned about his country, which he had left a year before.

    I agree that Iraq is a fake country - it's really Persia. The British were the ones who first went after Iraqi oil, then the Americans gained control of it.
    I thought Iran was Persia- Iraq was Babylon ( a long time ago)

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #51 on: June 24, 2023, 04:14:35 PM »
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  • I thought Iran was Persia- Iraq was Babylon ( a long time ago)

    Well, I may be wrong about all of Iraq being historically Persian. It's probably just the western part.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Iraq
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #52 on: June 24, 2023, 04:19:08 PM »
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  • Britain and America are basically "informed" or run by the Jews, who also did 9-11 besides Covid-19 and Big Pharma vaccines. There was the Balfour Declaration, then WW I ended the Ottoman Empire, and then they produced the British Mandate and later events led to "Israel" and the "UN", which Harold Wallace Rosenthal described as a "trapdoor to the whole red menace", etc.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #53 on: June 24, 2023, 04:28:19 PM »
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  • Well, I may be wrong about all of Iraq being historically Persian. It's probably just the western part.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Iraq
    I guess borders have changed - lol thanks

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #54 on: June 24, 2023, 05:26:58 PM »
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  • Absolutely and utterly idiotic.  You've smoking some good weed.  Russia easily wiped out the recent Ukrainian "counter-offensive", and the Ukrainians are being shredded.  What a ridiculous shill you've become.

    If there's some revolt / coup going on from Prigozhin, it's because the US / NATO are fomenting this after the Ukrainian counter-offensive was an epic failure.
    Let's break this down: My post was based on factual information and not alt-media nonsense, so the only idiot is you for being so woefully misinformed. You sound more like an idiot with the sophomoric weed retort. Russia didn't "wipe out" anything, and that's how we know you read the alt-media, because Russian sources are the ones crowing about doing nothing. They have paused the counter-offensive according to independent sourcing, but Ukraine itself is being more tight-lipped about it.

    There is no evidence that the US, NATO or Mossad fomented anything. Russians are the experts in psychological warfare and the KGB easily penetrated the CIA and FBI after the Second World War. Russia can dance the foxtrot on its own without Western aid, but more likely this has some hidden meaning other than what we can currently know.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #55 on: June 24, 2023, 05:31:26 PM »
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  • More stupidity.  Putin purged most of the Jєω oligarchs in the early 2000s.  Prigozhin was basically known as "Putin's chef", having made his money by owning some restaurants and catering businesses, and served food to the Kremlin.
    I don't know why you repeat this obvious lie when I and others on this forum have repeatedly demonstrated to the contrary. More than half of Russia's billionaires are Jєωιѕн, and it's likely more than that have some sort of unknown or undisclosed Jєωιѕн ancestry. Russia is a gangster state run according to a Mafia style, which is readily apparent if you read into one of Putin's favorites like sambo.

    For anyone on the fence about it, I encourage you to look into it and stop reading this oft-repeated lie that "Putin kicked out the Jews." It probably deserves a master thread so we can refer back to it continually to counter Lad's lie stream.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #56 on: June 24, 2023, 05:56:08 PM »
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  • Prighozin's coup grief-brief looked a little a bit like a commercial advertisement, which is a doubtful way to rummage up a coup d'etat. He seems like a car salesman and there are no dead bodies. Non dicatis coniuratio, omnia enim quae loquitur populo iste coniuratio est.

    Jewtini needs to stay on script and everything will be okay. You goyim be good now and behave.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #57 on: June 24, 2023, 05:56:20 PM »
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  • https://t.me/strelkovii/5680

    Google Translate from Russian:

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    Strelkov Igor Ivanovich #KRP

    The rebels successfully passed Voronezh and move around the territory of the Lipetsk region. They boast that the advanced outposts of the "Rosgvard" were shot down and took trophies.


    https://t.me/s/intelslava

    https://t.me/intelslava/49338
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    Lukashenko held talks with Prigozhin in agreement with Putin — press service of the President of the Republic of Belarus.

    Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of the President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company on the territory of Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions with security guarantees for the Wagner PMC fighters.

    https://t.me/intelslava/49346
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    At the moment, the Russian authorities are keeping deathly silence regarding the whole situation with the announced agreements.

    One of the possible scenarios for the development of events is called by many the resignation of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, which Prigozhin tried to achieve with his campaign.

    This is supported by the fact that both of these characters were completely absent from the public space of the current conflict. However, there is no confirmation of these predictions yet.

    https://t.me/intelslava/49351
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    NATO media as usual: when the "march" began, they became Wagner forces and freedom fighters. After the agreement, they became terrorists again


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    Criminal case on armed rebellion against Prigozhin will be terminated - Peskov

    During the negotiations, an agreement was reached that the Wagner PMC fighters would go to field camps, and Prigozhin himself would leave for Belarus.

    https://strana-today.translate.goog/news/437974-dmitrij-peskov-rasskazal-chto-budet-s-evheniem-prihozhinym-posle-provala-mjatezha.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
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    Surrender and exile. Became known the conditions under which Prigogine stopped the rebellion

    23:21, June 24, 2023

    Dmitry Peskov
    Speaker of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov said that the criminal case against Wagner curator Yevgeny Prigozhin for organizing a rebellion would be dropped, and he would "leave for Belarus."

    "The guarantee of Prigozhin's departure to Belarus is the word of the President of Russia," Peskov said.

    Peskov does not know who Prigozhin will work after he "leaves for Belarus."

    Also, according to him, that part of the "Wagnerites" who initially refused to participate in Prigozhin's rebellion will sign contracts with the Russian Ministry of Defense, and they will not be prosecuted by law.

    Personnel changes in the Russian Defense Ministry during the negotiations with Prigozhin, which were led by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko , were not discussed, Peskov said.

    That is, the dismissal of Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Federation Valery Gerasimov, which was Shoigu's demand, was not discussed.

    Judging by the words of Peskov, of the three versions of the reasons for the cessation of the rebellion, which were considered by "Strana" , the first is the most real - Prigozhin's surrender.

    1. Prigozhin, according to Peskov, will receive nothing but the closure of the criminal case and exile to Belarus.

    2. The dismissal of Shoigu and Gerasimov (at least for now) is also out of the question. That is, no one in this regard met Prigozhin's requirements.

    3. Wagnerites (those who did not participate in the rebellion) will be poured into units of the Russian Ministry of Defense. What will happen to the rest, according to Peskov, is not clear (he only said that they would not be prosecuted taking into account "military merit"). Perhaps they will also eventually go to the Ministry of Defense or other power structures of Russia. In any case, PMC "Wagner" in its former "independent" form, apparently, will not exist. At least in Russia and at the front in Ukraine. Maybe somewhere in Africa.

    So, the February 1917 remix didn't happen. The rebellion is essentially crushed. Unless Prigozhin and the "Wagnerites" suddenly change their minds about leaving for the "rear camps" and want to replay the agreements.

    The reason why they abandoned the rebellion is also, in principle, understandable - the lack of support for their actions in Russia at all levels. And in the army, and in the elites, and in society.

    Earlier , Putin thanked Lukashenka for stopping Prigozhin's rebellion .

    "Country" figured out what the agreements announced by Lukashenka meant , and whether Prigozhin's rebellion had ended.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #59 on: June 24, 2023, 06:09:51 PM »
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  • Why do they call themselves “Wagnerites?”

    Does it have anything to do with nαzι ideology (ie., Putin is fighting the nαzι forces terrorizing Russian populations in the Donbas, and Wagner was Hitler’s favorite composer).
    Superficial reasons. They're psychopaths but it's the Ukrainians and the Azoz Battalion who are the nαzι's, of course.

    If Prighozin hangs in there, he may come out of this okay, in the providential future, to be a car salesman, "moving metal" and Sieg Heil in Miami or Tampa Bay. God save Palestine not the Kremlin nor FOX NEWS.