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Offline dxcat40

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Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
« Reply #75 on: June 30, 2023, 12:17:50 PM »
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  • I don't understand your malfunction, as this glorious "West" is no longer the Christendom of days past. Jєωs have completely de-Christianized and perverted the entire West.

    There is no malfunction. You have almost never touched on my actual position. You continually fashion strawman and launch one slander after another. I have actually attempted to understand you and I hope one day you will rediscover good faith yourself.

    But no, the remnants of Christendom still exist. The West is still worth preserving. Turning to the godless East is turning our backs on the heritage that was fashioned by the Roman Catholic Church. Catholic bishops invented Europe and Europeans changed the world with the Catholic Faith. Russia and China have only detracted from that legacy and attempted to destroy it in their vain delusions.

    In fact, the Democrats (Biden et al.) are more Marxist than Putin ever was in in his KGB days.  You've got these ridiculous blinders on.

    This is false and I have posted source after source in reference. Putin is openly reinstituting the symbols of the Soviet Union, lamenting its fall and declaring that Communism is Christian. You are the one with "these ridiculous blinders" in ignoring these facts. Putin is an atheist, Communist, Russian Orthodox, "Christian," Jєωιѕн and the like where it is necessary, especially with his office as head of a multi-ethnic empire. Russian politicians lie just as much as or more than Western politicians, but their system actually supports the use of lies and dates back to before the Czar.

    The Democrats are a representation of the Marxist rot in the West, but obviously---again using history and common sense---they don't have confidence in their ability to roll over the West yet. When they were cooperating with Communist China for COVID-19, it was possible for them to keep going. Even Communist China pulled back restrictions on the Chinese, and it's likely because all of these governments had the same problem: people only had a certain tolerance for it. The Russian Communists had the same problem during Perestroika and liberalization when they discovered that many people genuinely hated Communism and preferred Western liberalism.

    What this means is that there is still enough opposition in the West that it is necessary to capture the Right and continue to push for Convergence with ridiculous conspiracy theories and other attempts at instilling disloyalty in Westerners. If a cινιℓ ωαr begins in the United States, that would be a huge boost to Communism's global conquest. If a nuclear strike allowed Biden to agree to peace talks that would give Ukraine to Russia, that would finally allow Russia and China to act. That they are unable to act presently only serves to show that they are not almighty, can experience setbacks, and must work with the present system to achieve the future one. It means the West isn't beaten yet, and can still fight, otherwise Russia and China would be dictating terms.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #76 on: June 30, 2023, 01:34:51 PM »
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  • Dx has a point.

    IMHO, Putin should surrender and end the war on Ukraines terms. It's the only way to preserve what little there is of a reputation. He got in at the right time because 90s Russia was a mess. Rising crime, economic collapse, political unrest that got close to cινιℓ ωαr... Yeltsin left office with an approval rating in the single digits and in pure shame. If Putin doesn't try and change things, he will end up the same way. Russians are tired. They're pissed.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #77 on: June 30, 2023, 02:21:25 PM »
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  • Russia's being round around by the Jews for a hundred years now and it hasn't stopped with Jewtini. So it goes.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #78 on: June 30, 2023, 02:22:21 PM »
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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #79 on: June 30, 2023, 02:54:11 PM »
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  • Russians are tired. They're pissed.
    This is a particularly hard fact for the those cheering on the Kremlin to face. I don't know if the "coup" was a show or not, but Russia is obviously in a dangerous place. These kinds of theatrics wouldn't necessary if Russia were doing that well in the war. Russians have been suffering this burden for a long time now and with nothing to show for it.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #80 on: June 30, 2023, 03:06:59 PM »
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  • Yeah, Putin is such a war criminal and hates Ukraine so much, he waited almost 9 months to bomb electric/internet grid.  He would’ve done this on Day 1 had he wanted to obliterate the Ukrainians, which he doesn’t.  We’ve been spared nuclear war because Putin is a moderate.  NATO keeps goading him to go full-on war. Eventually, it’ll happen.  

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #81 on: June 30, 2023, 03:23:40 PM »
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  • Yeah, Putin is such a war criminal and hates Ukraine so much, he waited almost 9 months to bomb electric/internet grid.

    He actually started doing it in 2015. You keep repeating this because it's one of the alt-media talking points, but this misses the context of what actually happened. Committing war crimes by targeting civilians because you are stalemated is a form of escalation and not the same thing as showing restraint.

    He would’ve done this on Day 1 had he wanted to obliterate the Ukrainians, which he doesn’t. 

    Obviously false because of his rhetoric and denial that there ARE Ukrainians. Claiming that you need to liberate Russians from nαzιs in neighboring country is more akin to genocide. The Russians also clearly expected the war to end quickly, but they failed to take Kyiv after lying about their intentions to invade. The atrocities didn't suddenly kick in, in a response to the West, but have only escalated in response to the Ukrainians' will to resist.

    We’ve been spared nuclear war because Putin is a moderate.  NATO keeps goading him to go full-on war. Eventually, it’ll happen.

    They have been threatening to nuke various countries in the West throughout the conflict. In what world is someone who repeatedly threatens to nuke a moderate for not nuking? Eventually it will happen because the Russian army is designed around nuclear warfare as an occupying force, not a conventional fighting force. Their hurdle to overcome at this point is Ukraine.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #82 on: June 30, 2023, 03:32:55 PM »
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    Claiming that you need to liberate Russians from nαzιs in neighboring country is more akin to genocide. 
    Do you accept the fact that Zelenky's "special forces" (or whatever you want to call them) of the Ukrainian army openly wear nαzι symbols and have tattoos of such things (as well as satanic images)?  Yes or no?  


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #83 on: June 30, 2023, 03:45:35 PM »
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  • Do you accept the fact that Zelenky's "special forces" (or whatever you want to call them) of the Ukrainian army openly wear nαzι symbols and have tattoos of such things (as well as satanic images)?  Yes or no? 
    I don't answer your loaded questions. In the first place, it is not permissible to invade a county in order to "de-nαzιfy" it. Russian claims of Ukrainian atrocities in Eastern Ukraine have only the weight of Russian allegations behind them. There is plenty of reason to believe in the allegations of Russian atrocities with so many ruined lives and buildings wherever they occupy in Ukraine.

    What hurts your precious theory even further is that Russia itself supports and funds open Neo-nαzιs who fight on behalf of the Russian military. Israel is in the same business. Keep enjoying your theater though

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #84 on: June 30, 2023, 03:49:35 PM »
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    Russian claims of Ukrainian atrocities in Eastern Ukraine have only the weight of Russian allegations behind them.
    :jester:  Every major NATO country (US, France, England, etc) admitted they violated the 2014 peace agreement for the Donbas region.  All major West newspapers have admitted such.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #85 on: June 30, 2023, 04:06:45 PM »
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  • :jester:  Every major NATO country (US, France, England, etc) admitted they violated the 2014 peace agreement for the Donbas region.  All major West newspapers have admitted such.
    1. Ukraine fought Russian proxies and likely Russian forces, though Russia denies the latter.

    2. Ukraine is the defending force. Ukraine overwhelmingly voted to leave the Soviet Union. Russia has been the aggressor attempting to wrest back control of Ukraine and sponsoring separatists.

    3. The admittance of fighting does not translate to support of Russian claims that supposedly justify their invasion of Ukraine. The claims of ethnic cleansing, suppression of Russian, etc.


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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #86 on: June 30, 2023, 04:11:18 PM »
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  • NATO violated the 2014 peace agreement, not Russia.  You can deny it all you want, but it's a fact.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #87 on: June 30, 2023, 04:20:24 PM »
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  • NATO violated the 2014 peace agreement, not Russia.  You can deny it all you want, but it's a fact.
    NATO did not violate the Minsk agreements because it was not a signatory to either one. Both times it involved representatives from the Trilateral Contact Group on Ukraine. They were from Ukraine, Russia, and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Many Western nations have supported Minsk, but they were not signatories. Wrong again, alt media.

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #88 on: June 30, 2023, 04:23:16 PM »
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  • The mental gymnastics are entertaining to watch!!  :jester:

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    Re: Military Coup in Moscow by headed by Prigozhin head of Wagner Group
    « Reply #89 on: June 30, 2023, 04:28:52 PM »
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  • I wish I could say the same about your dishonesty.