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Re: Jєωιѕн Rabbi explains why Hitler really hated the Jews
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 01:18:43 AM »
He seems to be reverent in his references to G-d - but no mention of Our Lord.

Re: Jєωιѕн Rabbi explains why Hitler really hated the Jews
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 08:45:14 AM »
Epicureanism - Epicurus believed that the greatest good was to seek modest, sustainable pleasure in the form of a state of ataraxia(tranquility and freedom from fear) and aponia (the absence of bodily pain) through knowledge of the workings of the world and limiting desires.  The combination of these two states constitutes happiness in its highest form. Correspondingly, Epicurus and his followers shunned politics because it could lead to frustrations and ambitions which can directly conflict with the Epicurean pursuit for peace of mind and virtues.[1]
Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism insofar as it declares pleasure to be its sole intrinsic goal, the concept that the absence of pain and fear constitutes the greatest pleasure, and its advocacy of a simple life, make it very different from "hedonism" as colloquially understood.
Epicureanism flourished in the Late Hellenistic era and during the Roman era, and many Epicurean communities were established, such as those in Antiochia, Alexandria, Rhodes, and Herculaneum. By the late 3rd Century CE Epicureanism all but died out, being opposed by other philosophies (mainly Neoplatonism) that were now in the ascendant. Interest in Epicureanism was resurrected in the Age of Enlightenment and continues in the modern era.

Thanks very much for the citation, though I probably should have been more clear in my post that I had never encountered the Hebraicized form of the word - Apikorsim - outside of the novel.

I'm curious as to whether this term has any actual use among Jews, or if it is a wholecloth invention of Potok's. I used to listen to the Saturday night hasidic programming on the WMCA AM station in New York, which did prove very enlightening in many respects, but I never heard them use the word "Apikorsim."


Re: Jєωιѕн Rabbi explains why Hitler really hated the Jews
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 08:50:24 AM »
So according to Wikipedia, secular/non-political joos are looked down upon while “religious” joos would be very active in politics?  That’s what I gather.  
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Except “religious joos” like Ben Shapiro are admitted gnostics, who believe that politics is the way to somehow have God’s kingdom on earth.  In all other aspects of life, God is absent.  
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So would this mean that secular joos are extreme non-religious/non-political, Shapiro is the moderate middle, and zionists are on the other extreme, non-religious/super-political (meaning, they want a kingdom on earth but God has nothing to do with it)?  Sounds like very little difference between them.

I agree, it's all the same in the end. The religious ones await the coming of the Anti-Christ to kill all the enemies of "Israel," and enslave all the goyim, and the secular ones believe in "Tikun Olam" which essentially means that they view themselves as the collective embodiment of what their "Moschiach" represents, and thus they work actively themselves for the same goal - destruction of their enemies, enslavement of the goyim.

Re: Jєωιѕн Rabbi explains why Hitler really hated the Jews
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 09:42:23 AM »
I agree, it's all the same in the end. The religious ones await the coming of the Anti-Christ to kill all the enemies of "Israel," and enslave all the goyim, and the secular ones believe in "Tikun Olam" which essentially means that they view themselves as the collective embodiment of what their "Moschiach" represents, and thus they work actively themselves for the same goal - destruction of their enemies, enslavement of the goyim.


Amazing knowledge.   Much appreciated.

Re: Jєωιѕн Rabbi explains why Hitler really hated the Jews
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2020, 10:57:16 AM »
Epicureanism - Epicurus believed that the greatest good was to seek modest, sustainable pleasure in the form of a state of ataraxia(tranquility and freedom from fear) and aponia (the absence of bodily pain) through knowledge of the workings of the world and limiting desires.  The combination of these two states constitutes happiness in its highest form. Correspondingly, Epicurus and his followers shunned politics because it could lead to frustrations and ambitions which can directly conflict with the Epicurean pursuit for peace of mind and virtues.[1]
Although Epicureanism is a form of hedonism insofar as it declares pleasure to be its sole intrinsic goal, the concept that the absence of pain and fear constitutes the greatest pleasure, and its advocacy of a simple life, make it very different from "hedonism" as colloquially understood.
Epicureanism flourished in the Late Hellenistic era and during the Roman era, and many Epicurean communities were established, such as those in Antiochia, Alexandria, Rhodes, and Herculaneum. By the late 3rd Century CE Epicureanism all but died out, being opposed by other philosophies (mainly Neoplatonism) that were now in the ascendant. Interest in Epicureanism was resurrected in the Age of Enlightenment and continues in the modern era.
I remember this from college philosophy class, and in fact, was reflecting on it just the other day.  Seeking tranquility and freedom from fear, and limiting desires, seems entirely compatible with monastic life.  This is far from the most odious philosophy in the world.