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Trinity · « **Reply #35 on:** August 18, 2007, 10:49:05 PM »

Primarily, Cletus, it is what it is and was from the start. One can close their eyes or look the other way and declare that such a thing is what their eyes encounter, because they have done a little cut and paste. It's not true, though. It is what it is in its entirety, and anything else is the emperor's new clothes.

there are writings of the popes and saints which go way back and follow through to today warning people to "Beware the Jews". this held true until vatican II and new church turned Catholic teaching on its head and started apologizing to and reorganizing Church teaching to suit the Jews. You are such a literate and intelligent man, I am shocked to hear these Novus Ordo leanings in you. But perhaps there is good reason for it, since you have closed your eyes and mind to the whole subject rather than do a thorough search of the truly treacherous and persistent efforts of the Jews to destroy all things Christian. I will try to post some things, which you can refute and perhaps we will discover that one of us is wrong.

Cletus · « **Reply #36 on:** August 18, 2007, 11:44:10 PM »

Saints and popes said a lot about a lot of things. St Clement Mary Hofbauer said that Germany went Protestant for good reasons. (In a moment of exasperation with fellow Catholics, I suspect.)

Harsh statements from saints and popes about avoiding the wicked Jews are just skeletons in the Church's closet. We need not pay any attention to them at all. We need not place these old bones in new reliquaries: we would do best not even to dust them off and bring them out into the light of day.

A new and holy spirit of enlightened humanism precluded talk of the wicked Jews and the threat posed by their existence to Christendom in the reign of Pope Pius XII. We all need to get in contact with that spirit.

The only people whom I have seen work to destroy all things Christian are Christians.

I don't share common "Novus Ordo" opinions about "our elder brothers in faith." I abominate them. I think that the new prayer for the Jews in the Eastertime liturgy is a disgrace. God should not be winked and nodded at. Christ should not be treated as a troublesome relative who has to be politely gotten out of the way when certain guests arrive. The old prayer was just fine. It was so Scriptural. So Pauline. It was fine even with the dread Latin word that is translated as "perfidious."

Catholics changed the liturgy into mockery of God. Catholics. Not Jews.

It is not the fault of The Jews that enlightened Catholic humanism degenerated into unenlightened Catholic apostasy.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #37 on:** August 19, 2007, 07:56:27 AM »

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Harsh statements from saints and popes about avoiding the wicked Jews are just skeletons in the Church's closet. We need not pay any attention to them at all. We need not place these old bones in new reliquaries: we would do best not even to dust them off and bring them out into the light of day.

Quite a statement.

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A new and holy spirit of enlightened humanism precluded talk of the wicked Jews and the threat posed by their existence to Christendom in the reign of Pope Pius XII. We all need to get in contact with that spirit.

Essentially, we 'woke up' in the 50s, in this respect? Not buying that.

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The only people whom I have seen work to destroy all things Christian are Christians.

Well, you must not have been looking very closely.

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Catholics changed the liturgy into mockery of God. Catholics. Not Jews.

Who changed the Divine Office translation (which served as a primer for all other changes)?

Bea, a falsely-converted Jew (who was also the confessor of Pius XII).

Who headed the liturgical changes? Bugnini, a good friend of Jews (and a member of a secret society that is a mere instrument of Jews).

Who introduced the NOM? Montini, a communist and a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, with (not very distant) Jєωιѕн ancestry.

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It is not the fault of The Jews that enlightened Catholic humanism degenerated into unenlightened Catholic apostasy.

Perhaps the "enlightened Catholic humanism" was the primer that they planted? Looking at what followed immediately on the heels of the 50s, this is a reasonable thing to suppose.

Trinity · « **Reply #38 on:** August 19, 2007, 09:12:18 AM »

Cletus, you really, really should put a disclaimer on your posts regarding this subject. Something like: I have studiously avoided learning any thing about this subject, and make my adamant declarations concerning it based on my prefered opinion only.

To be in error is bad, to teach error is total responsability for those souls, as well. Always best to have done your homework as much as possible, not as little as possible. To consider yourself smarter than popes and saints....

You seem to have thought too much and become a raving cynic.

Cletus · « **Reply #39 on:** August 20, 2007, 01:04:23 PM »

Now let's talk about needing to pay attention to what saints and popes have said about avoiding warlocks.

Author Topic: &#039;Old Whine in New Battles&#039; (Read 9142 times)

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