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Author Topic: Validity of Ortho confirmations?  (Read 1882 times)

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Re: Validity of Ortho confirmations?
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2021, 05:37:58 PM »
Yes, Orthodox chrismation is unquestionably valid, so too Eastern Catholic chrismation.

Faculties are required in the Latin Church sui juris for a priest to confirm validly. However, this is not the case in the various Eastern Churches sui juris. The sacrament developed differently in the West and East. In the West, confirmation is tied to the direct action of the bishop in person. In the East, the sacrament is tied to the episcopally-consecrated oil used for chrismation. The episcopal action is mediated through the priest.

It can be a challenge for many Latin Catholics to grasp that the "una Ecclesia" we confess in the creed is, in fact, 24 separate Churches with their own identities and histories. These Churches, of which the Latin Church is overwhelmingly the largest, are joined through communion of faith while remaining distinct, e.g., the Ukrainian Catholic Church, the Maronite Catholic Church, the Coptic Catholic Church, the Syro-Malabar Cstholuc Church, etc. Latin Catholics tend to think of the "una Ecclesia" as the Latin Church alone with Eastern Catholics as oddities whose identity is simply that of a different liturgical Rite, not a different, yet fully-Catholic Church.
I'm well aware of this historical fact, but as things have turned out with the Orthodox schism, the Eastern churches in union with Rome tend to be very small, "rump" churches, and many (if not most) of them are "uniate" churches created as smaller analogues of their corresponding schismatic Orthodox churches.  The Maronites are a separate case, and the Melkites seem to view themselves as a kind of via media between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, almost (and I'm sure I'm going to butcher this) like "a part of the Orthodox Church in union with Rome".  Indeed, you then had the Antiochian Orthodox Church which was a schism from the Melkites.

Re: Validity of Ortho confirmations?
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2021, 11:11:39 PM »
If one was Confirmed/Chrismated by an Orthodox priest, wouldn't that be the same as being Confirmed by an SSPX/Sede/independent priest as far as not having been granted permission to Confirm by a Bishop with jurisdiction? I realize that Eastern Catholic priests ordinarily Confirm without needing to seek permission from their Bishop, however the Orthodox priests are schismatic therefore not apart of the Eastern Catholic Church. I don't see how an Orthodox priest's Confirmation would be any different then say, an independent priest attempting to do the same.


Re: Validity of Ortho confirmations?
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2021, 04:42:04 AM »
They've always been considered valid. Eastern priests do not need jurisdiction as the sacrament of confirmation was never restricted in these churches as it was restricted by the Latin church

Re: Validity of Ortho confirmations?
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2021, 09:51:54 AM »
But eastern orthodox priests are not even in the Catholic Church. They are not a part of the Eastern Catholic Church anymore than an SSPX or independent priest, right?

Re: Validity of Ortho confirmations?
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2021, 12:02:30 PM »
It doesn't matter, jurisdiction is a requirement of the Latin church for Latin clerics doing confirmation. Trad Latin priests are relying on supplied jurisdiction. Any comparison is apple to orange