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Re: St. Joan of Arc
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2019, 06:44:54 PM »
Don't tell SeanJohnson, but St. Joan wore mens' clothing and fought against men in battle.

Re: St. Joan of Arc
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2019, 11:57:58 AM »
St. Joan of Arc was an ethnic (French) nationalist and a Catholic nationalist.


Re: St. Joan of Arc
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2019, 12:16:24 PM »
Don't tell SeanJohnson, but St. Joan wore mens' clothing and fought against men in battle.
Joan of Arc was one in a billions.

Did she really fight against men? Fighting at that time consisted of using swords and clubs, I seriously doubt she actually fought with men. I always understood she was a leader and not a sword wheeling killing machine.  

Re: St. Joan of Arc
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2019, 12:38:59 PM »
Don't tell SeanJohnson, but St. Joan wore mens' clothing and fought against men in battle.
Please supply the reference that she wore mens' clothes.
thank you

Re: St. Joan of Arc
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2019, 02:18:31 PM »
Please supply the reference that she wore mens' clothes.
thank you

This seems like a good article on the subject: http://archive.joan-of-arc.org/joanofarc_male_clothing.html

To summarize, there is little question that she wore men's clothes and that this was the main excuse for her execution.  However, the execution was not justified because St. Joan did so for reasons that the Church considered a valid exception to the rule.

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The relevant sources are of several types. A number of the tribunal members themselves (see below) later admitted that Joan of Arc had said she clung to her soldiers' outfit as a desperate means of discouraging rape - since the type of clothing in question had numerous cords by which the long boots and hosen [see note at right] could both be fastened to the tunic, thereby making it difficult for a rapist to pull them off. A dress, on the other hand, offered no such protection against her abusive guards: she was being guarded by English soldiers, in violation of the standard Inquisitorial practice of placing female prisoners in the custody of nuns (precisely in order to prevent the problems that Joan of Arc was facing). As with so many other crucial items, this was left out of the transcript of the Condemnation trial, unless one counts the few partial versions of quotations which were later related in full by the eyewitnesses: e.g., the transcript does say that she asked to be placed in a Church prison with women (alluding to the abovementioned Inquisitorial practice), and it also includes a brief version of her statements protesting that her actions were perfectly lawful under the rules of the Church - alluding to the provision in medieval theology which permitted necessity-based cross-dressing (click here to see examples from the "Summa Theologica" and 15th century theologians). The eyewitnesses later clarified these statements by relating a fuller version of her quotations on the matter; moreover, necessity-based cross-dressing was hardly unknown in that era: an especially ironic example is that of the sister-in-law of the English Regent, who disguised herself as a soldier at one point in order to escape from the custody of Duke Philip of Burgundy in 1425. No one tried to put her on trial for heresy.