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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #100 on: May 29, 2023, 03:00:13 PM »

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No, I'm arguing a principle, which does not change with data.
:confused:  What principle are you referring to?  You said, a page ago, that the "form" of the new rite isn't doubtful.  If you truly believe this, then how can you say the below, where you agree that "doubts as to validity increase" as time goes on.  :confused:  I'm totally confused.


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But I agree with you entirely, that over time, the doubts as to validity increase, as clearly expressed in Archbishop Lefebvre's letter to Mr Wilson. Eventually there will be no priests left in the Conciliar Church who were not ordained by newrite doubtful bishops. The presumption must be against validity now more than ever.
Or are you saying that the main issue is the new rite consecrations?  If so, I agree.  But we can't minimize the issue with new-rite ordinations, just because the new-rite consecrations are MORE problematic.  Both are problematic.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #101 on: May 29, 2023, 03:24:12 PM »
Was this a younger-generation priest, ordained, say within the last 15 years or so?  I've noticed a disgraceful lack of zeal for souls among many of them.  They are more concerned about organizing activities than in saving souls.

Mr. G can tell you about a notorious instance in which a Resistance man in St. Mary's was in a critical car accident, and the family called the priory.  I won't say more than that, because I don't recall the exact sequence of events which followed.


Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #102 on: May 29, 2023, 03:37:00 PM »
If there is an SSPX policy by which their priests are giving the midddle finger to the families of dying Catholics, that is disgraceful (and a most grievous mortal sin directly repugnant to the priestly state).

Are you fricking kidding me???

:facepalm:

A priest has a duty in both justice and charity to go to the aid of those in extreme physical and/or spiritual necessity, regardless of the disposition of the dying or their family, or what parish they go to.

It sounds to me like this policy is saying:

"Please don't waste our time.  We have a lot of shit to do (although probably nothing to do when you call).  But nevertheless, we are really delicate and precious, and we are sooooooooo overworked, that all these dying people are a real drag.  Seriously, dude, can't you just go to the fαɢɢօt priest down the road?  We thank you for understanding, and please be sure to inconvenience yourself for the next academy work day we schedyule for you.  By the way, we also do online confession sign-up now, so we won't be inconvenienced in that regard either."

All that aside, I have had SSPX priests come to attempt conversion of my agnostic grandfather (and it will redound to that priest's glory that he attempted to convert him in his last moments, and may have even been successful).  Another priest came for my grandmother despite the objections of jurisdiction made by the local novus ordo priest over her.  The SSPX priest expressed some concerns about that, but when I said I didn't give a shit what the novus ordo priest said, he came and gave the rites.

So this policy flies in the face of my personal experience, and yet on paper it looks absolutely attrocious and unpriestly (and the horror stories from St. Mary's and elsewhere show that not everyone had as good luck with SSPX priests ministering to non-SSPXers as I did).

A priest (spiritual father) should be every bit as exhausted at the end of a day, as a biological father caring for his family is.


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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #103 on: May 29, 2023, 03:43:00 PM »
I can also see the opposite side, where some good, Trad faithful want to impose a Trad priest upon their dying loved ones, even though the extended family (and the dying person) wants nothing to do with Tradition.  This is simply a waste of time, but the grieved Trad wants to "try whatever they can" (emotionally speaking) and is hoping for a miraculous conversion, even when all the signs point to the dying person being obstinate.

Such cases are heartbreaking but also common.  I'm sure the sspx has to use this policy to filter out such cases.  It's sad but necessary.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #104 on: May 29, 2023, 03:53:25 PM »
I can also see the opposite side, where some good, Trad faithful want to impose a Trad priest upon their dying loved ones, even though the extended family (and the dying person) wants nothing to do with Tradition.  This is simply a waste of time, but the grieved Trad wants to "try whatever they can" (emotionally speaking) and is hoping for a miraculous conversion, even when all the signs point to the dying person being obstinate.

Such cases are heartbreaking but also common.  I'm sure the sspx has to use this policy to filter out such cases.  It's sad but necessary.

A man may spend his entire life warring with God, but in his final moments, who knows what changes grace may work in a soul?  

You gotta' take the chance with everyone, whether they say, "I want nothing to do with a priest" or not.

Even Voltaire wanted to convert in the end.