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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2023, 03:23:44 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 24, 2023, 02:23:36 PM
And if the SSPX would have said to just find someone else, then you wouldn't have complained about them? The SSPX have never considered NO sacraments to be invalid.

Well, we have Archbishop Lefebvre writing at one point that nearly all NO Sacraments can be presumed doubtful.  So the position of SSPX has clearly loosened regarding the validity of NO Sacraments.  Sean has a lot of evidence to back that up.
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Offline Meg

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2023, 03:47:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 24, 2023, 03:23:44 PM
Well, we have Archbishop Lefebvre writing at one point that nearly all NO Sacraments can be presumed doubtful.  So the position of SSPX has clearly loosened regarding the validity of NO Sacraments.  Sean has a lot of evidence to back that up.

Well, Archbishop Lefebvre said a lot of things that didn't actually become a policy of the SSPX. The SSPX doesn't presume that the NO sacraments are doubtful. Why should they? They don't have anything to do with the NO. 

Each case of a NO priest coming to them to join them is investigated. They are not automatically re-ordained. Never have been. 
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Offline CathSarto

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2023, 03:56:25 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 24, 2023, 10:09:55 AM
So the state of necessity has to do with the question of the validity of the sacraments? Is that why +ABL started the SSPX, in your view? Did he really start the SSPX because he believed the NO sacraments to be invalid?
ABL absolutely had doubts about the validity of the NO sacraments.  It is one of the main reasons for the crisis in the Church.  It seems like people like yourself and the neo-sspx are the one's who are trying to rewrite history.

This new policy is not how the sspx originally operated.  The more they try to gloss over the problems in the novus ordo church, the more it undermines their reason for being.  No crisis = no state of necessity.  
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Offline CathSarto

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2023, 03:57:51 PM »
Quote from: AMDGJMJ on May 24, 2023, 02:12:42 PM
Oh, my goodness...  Really? 🤦

I thumbed up you for the first paragraph but then I read the second paragraph afterwards...

My parents were actually making an effort by giving their consent to have a traditional Catholic priest when for years they would have not normally had anything to do with a traditional priest. That itself was a great grace from God in my opinion.  So...  Do you think they would be encouraged to be traditional by then being told, "Oh...  Well, the SSPX say just to use a local novus ordo priest."

It would have been better if the SSPX had just said, "No we can't help you.  Find someone else." But instead they suggested to bring in a local novus ordo priest.  This seems to indicate that they really no longer question novus ordo ordinations at all.  That was the point that I was trying to make.
Exactly! What a scandal.
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Offline Texana

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2023, 04:12:31 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 24, 2023, 03:47:10 PM
Well, Archbishop Lefebvre said a lot of things that didn't actually become a policy of the SSPX. The SSPX doesn't presume that the NO sacraments are doubtful. Why should they? They don't have anything to do with the NO.

Each case of a NO priest coming to them to join them is investigated. They are not automatically re-ordained. Never have been.
Dear Meg
Perhaps you missed it, but novus ordo ordained- in-the-new-rite Vitus Huonder, consecrated-in-the-new-rite attempted to consecrate the Holy Oils this year for the FSSPX in Germany and beyond.  I refer you to Sean Johnson's "RE: +Huonder:  The Fox in the Henhouse"--excellent work.
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