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Author Topic: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests  (Read 12359 times)

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2023, 04:59:37 AM »
Very true, and it should be pointed out that SSPX priests do not have ordinary jurisdiction. I thought that most trads knew that - but evidently not. The way that supplied jurisdiction works is that a Catholic approaches the priest (who has supplied jurisdiction) for the sacraments. The priest does not approach a stranger (who doesn't attend an SSPX chapel) to administer the sacraments. The SSPX is an easy target these days.
The jurisdiction is given nonetheless. Someone is approaching the priest on his behalf. Let's not get too legalistic, Meg! The supreme law of the Church is the salvation of souls.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2023, 05:33:18 AM »
Has anyone ever called the SSPX asking for a priest to come to give someone Extreme Unction and they instead recommended a local novus ordo priest?

This just happened yesterday in the case of my calling the SSPX VA Seminary asking for a priest to come to see my father in the hospital.

I knew that they had been getting more friendly with the local novus ordo priests but this blew my mind.
I hope your Father is okay AMDGJMJ, I will keep him in my prayers.

I am really surprised to hear this about Fr MacPherson, I have a lot of time for him, I think he is a really genuine priest. He is right, of course, telling you to get a NO priest in danger of death if no certainly-validly-ordained priest could get to your Father in time to give him certainly valid sacraments. If this were not the case, and yet he made no suggestion to get a Traditional priest to your Father, then that would leave me very disappointed (and surprised) indeed. The only exception I can imagine would be if your Father was not a Traditional Catholic, and had not agreed to see a Trad priest, and the distance for the priest to travel was considerable.

However, a similar (or worse) thing happened to me some years back when I tried to get an SSPX priest to a Resistance Catholic in the throes of death. The person in question actually went to the SSPX to Mass with me only a month or so earlier. He had been with the SSPX for decades prior to the Resistance. A good, simple soul he was, with no guile. He had been given the Last Rites a few months earlier, but he bounced back, made it out of hospital and was doing quite well, so in the mind of the Church he certainly should have received the Last Rites again. I went to the priory to get the SSPX priest to take him to give the Last Rites, but he refused outright, saying: "I warned you from the pulpit". A couple of hours later the man was dead. May he rest in peace. I wrote to several superiors about the incident. All but one ignored the letter, the one who replied saying: "You should have called the NO priest. Unlike the Resistance, the SSPX considers them to be valid priests". Rather shocking don't you think? Imagine a man drowning at the beach and you go to the lifeguard, and he refuses to go to his aid: "I warned him not to swim outside the flags"! Then you complain to the authorities and they commend the lifeguard and tell you that you should have thrown the drowning victim a piece of string...


Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2023, 06:22:44 AM »
Why didn't you ask a sedevacantist priest to help your father?
Do you think a sedevacantist priest would have been more willing to go?  

As far as I am aware of there are not any in the local area.  Father McMahon used to be here to help but is now elsewhere.  Father Collins officiated our wedding but he came down from NY for that and we planned it over 6 months in advance.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2023, 06:24:13 AM »
Before vatican 2, parish priests were obliged by canon law to visit their sick parishioners and administer the last rites to the dying, in other words they were bound by justice. Due to the crisis in the Church, traditional priests are not parish priests, they have no jurisdiction obviously, so they aren't bound in justice to visit their sick parishioners, but they're bound by charity; the same would apply to people who aren't their parishioners.
This was my thought as well.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2023, 06:34:14 AM »
I hope your Father is okay AMDGJMJ, I will keep him in my prayers.

I am really surprised to hear this about Fr MacPherson, I have a lot of time for him, I think he is a really genuine priest. He is right, of course, telling you to get a NO priest in danger of death if no certainly-validly-ordained priest could get to your Father in time to give him certainly valid sacraments. If this were not the case, and yet he made no suggestion to get a Traditional priest to your Father, then that would leave me very disappointed (and surprised) indeed. The only exception I can imagine would be if your Father was not a Traditional Catholic, and had not agreed to see a Trad priest, and the distance for the priest to travel was considerable.

However, a similar (or worse) thing happened to me some years back when I tried to get an SSPX priest to a Resistance Catholic in the throes of death. The person in question actually went to the SSPX to Mass with me only a month or so earlier. He had been with the SSPX for decades prior to the Resistance. A good, simple soul he was, with no guile. He had been given the Last Rites a few months earlier, but he bounced back, made it out of hospital and was doing quite well, so in the mind of the Church he certainly should have received the Last Rites again. I went to the priory to get the SSPX priest to take him to give the Last Rites, but he refused outright, saying: "I warned you from the pulpit". A couple of hours later the man was dead. May he rest in peace. I wrote to several superiors about the incident. All but one ignored the letter, the one who replied saying: "You should have called the NO priest. Unlike the Resistance, the SSPX considers them to be valid priests". Rather shocking don't you think? Imagine a man drowning at the beach and you go to the lifeguard, and he refuses to go to his aid: "I warned him not to swim outside the flags"! Then you complain to the authorities and they commend the lifeguard and tell you that you should have thrown the drowning victim a piece of string...
Wow...  That is terrible...  Thank you for sharing your story! 

My parents allowed us to host the mission chapel here in Front Royal for a few months at their farm for a small fee to make it legal and which we ourselves paid during COVID when our normal chapel (St. Athanasius) was closed down. If we hadn't done that the SSPX chapel here might not have the larger mission chapel they have now...  So, one might think that the SSPX would help at least in return for that.  But no...  Instead they said "We would come if there wasn't a novus priest around to do it. They are valid and in causes of near death even an Eastern Orthodox priest can help." 🤦

I am just grateful that we managed to get in contact with Father Waters from York, PA.  He dropped everything and left immediately to make the 3 hour drive one way during rush hour traffic. 

I only I only wish I had thought to call him first instead of taking hours to try and arrange something with the SSPX...  In the future he will be the person I call when someone I know in the area needs a priest.