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Reasons for the Latin Mass: Part 1
« on: August 12, 2011, 01:03:10 PM »
Many times when defending the True Mass and attacking the Novus Ordo, I say, "The Mass is not a "community meal" as the Protestants believe, but a Sacrifice. This is why an altar facing the Lord should be used as the priest offers the Sacrifice to Him; not a table facing the congregation to eat "bread" around." The answer that I get to this: "When Christ instituted the Mass, it was the Last Supper with the disciples gathered around the table."

How do I respond to this assertion that the Mass is a community meal around a table?

Thank you.

ajpirc

Reasons for the Latin Mass: Part 1
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2011, 01:29:00 PM »
Quote from: ajpirc
Many times when defending the True Mass and attacking the Novus Ordo, I say, "The Mass is not a "community meal" as the Protestants believe, but a Sacrifice. This is why an altar facing the Lord should be used as the priest offers the Sacrifice to Him; not a table facing the congregation to eat "bread" around." The answer that I get to this: "When Christ instituted the Mass, it was the Last Supper with the disciples gathered around the table."

How do I respond to this assertion that the Mass is a community meal around a table?

Thank you.

ajpirc


I think others will answer better than I, but my response would be this:

Yes, our Lord instituted the last supper "gathered around the table", but he had not yet died on the cross for us. Remeber His words," For this is my blood of the new testament which shall be shed for many, ". There would be no way to "Eat his body" (and they will deny Transubstantiation here, so be prepared on defending the Presence of Christ in the Eucharist) without sacrificing the 2nd Person in God, as was done on Mt. Calvary. He thus unified the sacrifice on Calvary with the last supper. We still partake (those of us in the state of grace) in the communion of Christ, as he'd instructed. But his instructions weren't to have a community meal, but to celebrate the un-bloody sacrifice of him. The Catholic Church, and early Church fathers, understood the link between the Old Testament sacrifice, and what Jesus instructions were.

This is very short, but I hope to the point. Also- I would encourage them to investigate the way masses were said in the early centuries of the church. 1st, 2nd and 3rd centuries. Since the mostly believe that the Church was still, "The Church" in the first 3 or 4 centuries after Christ, encourage them to investigate how "Mass" was celebrated in those times. Ask them,  "If the Church of Christ was still the 'Church of Christ' in the first centuries, why then do you not hold the tradition of saying mass the way they did in those times?"


Reasons for the Latin Mass: Part 1
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2011, 08:39:02 AM »
The sacrifices offered in the Old Testament did involve a community meal, but that did not detract from their primary purpose as sacrifices to the honor and glory of God.  The Eucharist involves a community meal.  People receive Holy Communion together.  However, its primary purpose is as a sacrifice to God.  The meal aspect is not untrue, but it is secondary at best.  A Mass is still a Mass even if the community meal aspect is absent (as when a priest celebrates alone).  The liturgical configuration at the traditional Mass makes this central truth much more apparent.  You might also point out that the NO can and really should be celebrated facing the altar.

Reasons for the Latin Mass: Part 1
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2011, 01:27:52 PM »
To the best of my knowledge, the Old Testament sacrifices of the Passover prefigured the Sacrifice of the Mass, as was said. At these sacrifices, an unblemished lamb (the Lamb of God at the Mass). Those at the sacrifice had to eat unleavened bread and also the sacrificed lamb. Would eating the Lamb under the appearance of the bread be the only part of the Mass being a "meal"? In my opinion, the only part of a "community meal" is when the congregation kneels at the communion rail (I think it's also called the congregation's altar) to receive the Blessed Sacrament.

Reasons for the Latin Mass: Part 1
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2011, 08:23:14 PM »
Yes, I would say you are right.  I have never heard the rail described in that way, but is is quite apt.