The Nine did an evil thing to the SSPX back in 1983. They tried to take the whole SSPX away from the Archbishop and the faithful Catholics who were looking to him for leadership.

What has their sedevacantism done for the Church, from 1983 to the present day? Don't talk to me about their general Trad apostolate, because they could have done that as an SSPX, independent, or other non-sedevacantist Trad priest. The Tridentine Mass, traditional sacraments, the Rosary, all the Trad devotions, chant, you name it. That's a whole different story. The Trad movement in general is important, useful, and critical for the salvation of souls today.  Sedevacantism is not. It adds nothing practically speaking. It solves nothing.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "I'll never forgive them"... but let's just say I'll always remember what they did to the saintly Archbishop. They were his enemies on earth. Hopefully they repent/repented before death -- but they did an evil thing.

And who did they attack? The GOOD SSPX, the chosen vessel of election for the preservation of Tradition. The SSPX fell in 2012, but that doesn't mean it was always rotten. The Catholic Church "fell" in the 1960's. Was it rotten from the beginning?  Of course not!

Nevertheless, I hope only the best for the soul of Bishop Kelly.

The free podcast mentioned by NOW about “The Nine” recalling the events leading to their expulsion is both charitable and insightful.  Division in these matters is always sad, but appears to be inevitable during this crisis in the Church.

The Nine did an evil thing to the SSPX back in 1983. They tried to take the whole SSPX away from the Archbishop and the faithful Catholics who were looking to him for leadership.

What has their sedevacantism done for the Church, from 1983 to the present day? Don't talk to me about their general Trad apostolate, because they could have done that as an SSPX, independent, or other non-sedevacantist Trad priest. The Tridentine Mass, traditional sacraments, the Rosary, all the Trad devotions, chant, you name it. That's a whole different story. The Trad movement in general is important, useful, and critical for the salvation of souls today.  Sedevacantism is not. It adds nothing practically speaking. It solves nothing.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "I'll never forgive them"... but let's just say I'll always remember what they did to the saintly Archbishop. They were his enemies on earth. Hopefully they repent/repented before death -- but they did an evil thing.

And who did they attack? The GOOD SSPX, the chosen vessel of election for the preservation of Tradition. The SSPX fell in 2012, but that doesn't mean it was always rotten. The Catholic Church "fell" in the 1960's. Was it rotten from the beginning?  Of course not!

Nevertheless, I hope only the best for the soul of Bishop Kelly.

You are so far off.  I was denied confirmation at age 13 by evil loyalists priests of the society because we were relatively new to finding tradition and happened to attend one of the 9's mass. I was also told in confession by a sspx loyalists priest not to come to confession at the sspx because someone snitch and told him that I attend one of the 9's masses.

And there are still evil laypersons and clergy in the sspx today.  

I didn't know he had been battling cancer.  So you have Father Cekada and now Bishop Kelly succuмb to cancer.  Didn't Father Collins also die of cancer?  Could there be something they were all exposed to?

There does seem to be a "changing of the guard" here, where that first generation of Traditional priest, who were alive as Vatican II first began to be implemented, are beginning to pass away.  That's one reason for the shift taking place in neo-SSPX, where we have more and more cradle Trads who really don't understand what happened at Vatican II.

Despite the false accusations of some of the SSPX leadership, the pope question was never the issue. Father Collins was not a sedevacantist at the time. Bishop Kelly and Father Jenkins were not strong on the issue of sedevacantism either. Marriage annulments, the 1962 missal, and 1968 holy orders, among other things, were the contention.

Sorry, the Archbishop was a good man, but he wasn’t perfect and he made mistakes.

Sedevacatism may not be the perfect answer to what is happening in the Church today, but it at least it gives a reasonable and non contradictory explanation unlike the R&R position which is full of contradictions and errors.

Indeed, the primary reasons for the rupture were, in the order/priority I understand them, 1) a priest who was not conditionally ordained (he had refused conditional ordination) being allowed to offer Mass at SSPX chapels, 2) acceptance of Novus Ordo marriage annulments, 3) imposition of the 1962 Missal (these priests merely opposed being forced to use the 1962 Missal), and 4) suppression of the freedom to question the legitimacy of the V2 papal claimants.

Unfortunately, in the early 1980s, after Montini was replaced by a reportedly more conservative Wojtyla, Archbishop Lefebvre had adopted a very optimistic attitude toward the Conciliar Church, using some of the same language that's being used today by +Fellay, asking New Rome to let them make the "experiment of Tradition" within the Conciliar pantheon.  By 1985, +Lefebvre had woken up to who Wojtyla really was, and he would certainly have not expelled The Nine at that time.

Unfortunately, he sacrificed some of the best, brightest, and most talented priests in the US ... to this day ... on the altar of the Conciliar Church.  I've heard that he later regretted it.

With that said, I believe that some of the conduct of The Nine (and The Twelve) in the aftermath of their expulsion was somewhat scandalous and unbecoming, especially the legal machinations against +Lefebvre spearheaded by Father Cekada.

I moved the discussion to another thread. I agree this thread should focus on prayers for the deceased.

I didn't know he had been battling cancer.  So you have Father Cekada and now Bishop Kelly succuмb to cancer.  Didn't Father Collins also die of cancer?  Could there be something they were all exposed to?

There does seem to be a "changing of the guard" here, where that first generation of Traditional priest, who were alive as Vatican II first began to be implemented, are beginning to pass away.  That's one reason for the shift taking place in neo-SSPX, where we have more and more cradle Trads who really don't understand what happened at Vatican II.

Yes, Father Collins also died of cancer.