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Traditional Catholic Faith => The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers => Topic started by: Quo vadis Domine on December 02, 2023, 04:19:35 PM
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I heard, through a friend, that Bishop Kelly was not doing well. In your charity please pray for him.
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We just heard from a friend that Bishop Kelly has passed away.
Requiescat in pace. :pray::pray::pray:
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I just received news that Bishop Kelly passed. Eternal rest grant unto him O Lord and let perpetual light shine upon him. May he rest in peace!
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+Kelly just celebrated the 30th anniversary of his Consecration on October 19.
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Now, 4 of the 9 are gone and they were all vindicated in their lifetime.
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Now, 4 of the 9 are gone and they were all vindicated in their lifetime.
My husband and I were just discussing this... Half of them have died in the past several years.
Lord send us more good and holy priests. :pray:
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Sedevacantist Bishop Clarence Kelly, R.I.P. (1941-2023)
December 2, 2023
(The Saturday before the First Sunday in Advent)
https://novusordowatch.org/2023/12/bishop-clarence-kelly-rip/
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My husband and I were just discussing this... Half of them have died in the past several years.
Lord send us more good and holy priests. :pray:
Father Collins: April 27, 2019 (the anniversary of the “Nine’s”expulsion from the SSPX)
Father Cekada: September 11, 2020 (19 years after 911)
Bishop Dolan: April 26, 2022 (the day before the anniversary of the “Nine’s” expulsion)
Bishop Kelly: December 2, 2023
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Even the young men of the Vatican II era are now leaving. It's almost reached the point where those who actually knew and lived the 'old religion' are no more.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
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Father Collins: April 27, 2019 (the anniversary of the “Nine’s”expulsion from the SSPX)
Father Cekada: September 11, 2020 (19 years after 911)
Bishop Dolan: April 26, 2022 (the day before the anniversary of the “Nine’s” expulsion)
Bishop Kelly: December 2, 2023
Wow! That definitely makes a person think. Thank you for sharing.
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Wow! That definitely makes a person think. Thank you for sharing.
So true. Bishop Dolan was by Fr. Cekada’s bedside all during his last bout with cancer, and himself passed away suddenly shortly after celebrating the Easter Triduum.
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Even the young men of the Vatican II era are now leaving. It's almost reached the point where those who actually knew and lived the 'old religion' are no more.
Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.
That’s why some Traditional Bp.s have been busy consecrating more. Example, +Bp. Williamson, agree with him or not, has consecrated bishops. I’m not sure, but I think +Bps Zendejas and Faure have also consecrated a bishop. Then there are the conservative novus ordo bishops like Card. Burke, Bp. Strickland, Arch. Vigñano and many priests who may come fully over to the traditional faith.
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The Nine did an evil thing to the SSPX back in 1983. They tried to take the whole SSPX away from the Archbishop and the faithful Catholics who were looking to him for leadership.
What has their sedevacantism done for the Church, from 1983 to the present day? Don't talk to me about their general Trad apostolate, because they could have done that as an SSPX, independent, or other non-sedevacantist Trad priest. The Tridentine Mass, traditional sacraments, the Rosary, all the Trad devotions, chant, you name it. That's a whole different story. The Trad movement in general is important, useful, and critical for the salvation of souls today. Sedevacantism is not. It adds nothing practically speaking. It solves nothing.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "I'll never forgive them"... but let's just say I'll always remember what they did to the saintly Archbishop. They were his enemies on earth. Hopefully they repent/repented before death -- but they did an evil thing.
And who did they attack? The GOOD SSPX, the chosen vessel of election for the preservation of Tradition. The SSPX fell in 2012, but that doesn't mean it was always rotten. The Catholic Church "fell" in the 1960's. Was it rotten from the beginning? Of course not!
Nevertheless, I hope only the best for the soul of Bishop Kelly.
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The Nine did an evil thing to the SSPX back in 1983. They tried to take the whole SSPX away from the Archbishop and the faithful Catholics who were looking to him for leadership.
What has their sedevacantism done for the Church, from 1983 to the present day? Don't talk to me about their general Trad apostolate, because they could have done that as an SSPX, independent, or other non-sedevacantist Trad priest. The Tridentine Mass, traditional sacraments, the Rosary, all the Trad devotions, chant, you name it. That's a whole different story. The Trad movement in general is important, useful, and critical for the salvation of souls today. Sedevacantism is not. It adds nothing practically speaking. It solves nothing.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "I'll never forgive them"... but let's just say I'll always remember what they did to the saintly Archbishop. They were his enemies on earth. Hopefully they repent/repented before death -- but they did an evil thing.
And who did they attack? The GOOD SSPX, the chosen vessel of election for the preservation of Tradition. The SSPX fell in 2012, but that doesn't mean it was always rotten. The Catholic Church "fell" in the 1960's. Was it rotten from the beginning? Of course not!
Nevertheless, I hope only the best for the soul of Bishop Kelly.
Despite the false accusations of some of the SSPX leadership, the pope question was never the issue. Father Collins was not a sedevacantist at the time. Bishop Kelly and Father Jenkins were not strong on the issue of sedevacantism either. Marriage annulments, the 1962 missal, and 1968 holy orders, among other things, were the contention.
Sorry, the Archbishop was a good man, but he wasn’t perfect and he made mistakes.
Sedevacatism may not be the perfect answer to what is happening in the Church today, but it at least it gives a reasonable and non contradictory explanation unlike the R&R position which is full of contradictions and errors.
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The free podcast mentioned by NOW about “The Nine” recalling the events leading to their expulsion is both charitable and insightful. Division in these matters is always sad, but appears to be inevitable during this crisis in the Church.
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The Nine did an evil thing to the SSPX back in 1983. They tried to take the whole SSPX away from the Archbishop and the faithful Catholics who were looking to him for leadership.
What has their sedevacantism done for the Church, from 1983 to the present day? Don't talk to me about their general Trad apostolate, because they could have done that as an SSPX, independent, or other non-sedevacantist Trad priest. The Tridentine Mass, traditional sacraments, the Rosary, all the Trad devotions, chant, you name it. That's a whole different story. The Trad movement in general is important, useful, and critical for the salvation of souls today. Sedevacantism is not. It adds nothing practically speaking. It solves nothing.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "I'll never forgive them"... but let's just say I'll always remember what they did to the saintly Archbishop. They were his enemies on earth. Hopefully they repent/repented before death -- but they did an evil thing.
And who did they attack? The GOOD SSPX, the chosen vessel of election for the preservation of Tradition. The SSPX fell in 2012, but that doesn't mean it was always rotten. The Catholic Church "fell" in the 1960's. Was it rotten from the beginning? Of course not!
Nevertheless, I hope only the best for the soul of Bishop Kelly.
You are so far off. I was denied confirmation at age 13 by evil loyalists priests of the society because we were relatively new to finding tradition and happened to attend one of the 9's mass. I was also told in confession by a sspx loyalists priest not to come to confession at the sspx because someone snitch and told him that I attend one of the 9's masses.
And there are still evil laypersons and clergy in the sspx today.
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Please let us not hash this out on this thread. Let us respect the dead. God bless you. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God rest in peace.:pray::pray::pray::pray:
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I didn't know he had been battling cancer. So you have Father Cekada and now Bishop Kelly succuмb to cancer. Didn't Father Collins also die of cancer? Could there be something they were all exposed to?
There does seem to be a "changing of the guard" here, where that first generation of Traditional priest, who were alive as Vatican II first began to be implemented, are beginning to pass away. That's one reason for the shift taking place in neo-SSPX, where we have more and more cradle Trads who really don't understand what happened at Vatican II.
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Despite the false accusations of some of the SSPX leadership, the pope question was never the issue. Father Collins was not a sedevacantist at the time. Bishop Kelly and Father Jenkins were not strong on the issue of sedevacantism either. Marriage annulments, the 1962 missal, and 1968 holy orders, among other things, were the contention.
Sorry, the Archbishop was a good man, but he wasn’t perfect and he made mistakes.
Sedevacatism may not be the perfect answer to what is happening in the Church today, but it at least it gives a reasonable and non contradictory explanation unlike the R&R position which is full of contradictions and errors.
Indeed, the primary reasons for the rupture were, in the order/priority I understand them, 1) a priest who was not conditionally ordained (he had refused conditional ordination) being allowed to offer Mass at SSPX chapels, 2) acceptance of Novus Ordo marriage annulments, 3) imposition of the 1962 Missal (these priests merely opposed being forced to use the 1962 Missal), and 4) suppression of the freedom to question the legitimacy of the V2 papal claimants.
Unfortunately, in the early 1980s, after Montini was replaced by a reportedly more conservative Wojtyla, Archbishop Lefebvre had adopted a very optimistic attitude toward the Conciliar Church, using some of the same language that's being used today by +Fellay, asking New Rome to let them make the "experiment of Tradition" within the Conciliar pantheon. By 1985, +Lefebvre had woken up to who Wojtyla really was, and he would certainly have not expelled The Nine at that time.
Unfortunately, he sacrificed some of the best, brightest, and most talented priests in the US ... to this day ... on the altar of the Conciliar Church. I've heard that he later regretted it.
With that said, I believe that some of the conduct of The Nine (and The Twelve) in the aftermath of their expulsion was somewhat scandalous and unbecoming, especially the legal machinations against +Lefebvre spearheaded by Father Cekada.
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Please let us not hash this out on this thread. Let us respect the dead. God bless you. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God rest in peace.:pray::pray::pray::pray:
Indeed! I think it is the moderator's prerogative, since this is a Resistance forum. Beyond that, let us respect the memory of the dead. May Bishop Clarence Kelly's soul rest in peace!
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I moved the discussion to another thread. I agree this thread should focus on prayers for the deceased.
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Please let us not hash this out on this thread. Let us respect the dead. God bless you. May the souls of the faithful departed, through the mercy of God rest in peace.:pray::pray::pray::pray:
Thank you! You are absolutely right! :pray::pray::pray:
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I didn't know he had been battling cancer. So you have Father Cekada and now Bishop Kelly succuмb to cancer. Didn't Father Collins also die of cancer? Could there be something they were all exposed to?
There does seem to be a "changing of the guard" here, where that first generation of Traditional priest, who were alive as Vatican II first began to be implemented, are beginning to pass away. That's one reason for the shift taking place in neo-SSPX, where we have more and more cradle Trads who really don't understand what happened at Vatican II.
Yes, Father Collins also died of cancer. :pray:
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Has anyone heard of when his Requiem Mass will be and who will be offering it?
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Réquiem ætérnam dona ei, Dómine: et lux perpétua lúceat ei. Réquiscat in pace. Amen.
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I made up a little bit of doggerel one time, adapted from a WWII slogan, "when the little yellow bellies meet the Dolans and the Kellys".
My father liked Bishop Dolan and received communion from him one time when we visited SGG during an overnight stay in Cincinnati. He also read an SSPV pamphlet I had lying by the fireplace and was convinced by it. He was basically a sedevacantist (I'm not) but saw no point in parsing or articulating reasons for it. Theological hair-splitting wasn't his thing.
Requiescant in pace.
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I didn't know he had been battling cancer. So you have Father Cekada and now Bishop Kelly succuмb to cancer. Didn't Father Collins also die of cancer? Could there be something they were all exposed to?
There does seem to be a "changing of the guard" here, where that first generation of Traditional priest, who were alive as Vatican II first began to be implemented, are beginning to pass away. That's one reason for the shift taking place in neo-SSPX, where we have more and more cradle Trads who really don't understand what happened at Vatican II.
Father Collins died of pancreatic cancer.
Father Cekada had bladder cancer, which he recovered from, but then had fragile health ever after that, had a few mini strokes, and eventually a (I think) relapse of the bladder cancer.
Bishop Kelly also had cancer (I'm not sure which kind) but also had multiple other health issues. He had been sick with various things for at least a couple decades. I distinctly remember being told while accompanying a CSPV Priest to a sick call back in 2009 that Bishop Kelly was not doing well even at that time.
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Bishop Kelly also had cancer (I'm not sure which kind) but also had multiple other health issues. He had been sick with various things for at least a couple decades. I distinctly remember being told while accompanying a CSPV Priest to a sick call back in 2009 that Bishop Kelly was not doing well even at that time.
I too have been hearing reports of Father/Bishop Kelly's ill health for nearly 20 years now, mostly talk of some kind of heart condition.
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Father Collins: April 27, 2019 (the anniversary of the “Nine’s”expulsion from the SSPX)
Father Cekada: September 11, 2020 (19 years after 911)
Bishop Dolan: April 26, 2022 (the day before the anniversary of the “Nine’s” expulsion)
Bishop Kelly: December 2, 2023
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I served mass for him for a while when he was only a new priest right out of Econe, may he rest in peace.
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I served mass for him for a while when he was only a new priest right out of Econe, may he rest in peace.
Yes, he was one of the first ordained overall, because they appear to have given him credit for prior seminary training.
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