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Offline Miseremini

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Re: he ‘continues to improve’ with prognosis still secret, Vatican reports. 🤦‍♂️
« Reply #165 on: February 28, 2025, 03:24:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on February 28, 2025, 03:19:13 PM
    .I have to imagine they have already figured out who is going to be next.
    I wouldn't discount that there could be jockying for his position.  That could get quite intense.
    Also there could be those who need to retrieve/trash docuмents before an unknown comes to power.
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    Re: he ‘continues to improve’ with prognosis still secret, Vatican reports
    « Reply #166 on: February 28, 2025, 03:32:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on February 28, 2025, 11:49:08 AM
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    I don't understand this theory. What would be the motive for them to pretend he is still alive if he is dead?

    Perhaps the same reason the Commies have done it, so they could organize and do some planning/scheming before the next conclave selection.  Do they want to go back to the Ratzinger type conservative, to reabsorb the SSPX and such (if they elected a Sarah type who would reinstitute the Motu, reinstate Strickland, modify Amoris Laetitia and Fiducia Supplicans, and perhaps even sack one or two of the most egregious heretics ... not only would the Trad Inc. types, Marshall, Matt, Lifesite, etc. back back worshipping this "St. Pius X the New" that we'd get whiplash watching them with lightning alacrity return to worshipping at Sarah's feet, but SSPX would be absorbed into the Conciliar Entity within weeks) ... or if their time is short would they prefer to bring in someone to carry forward where Jorge left off.  So the reason here would be debating, organizing, planning, etc.  I find it plausible.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #167 on: February 28, 2025, 03:33:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: ark of covenant on February 28, 2025, 11:58:57 AM
    Guys two things to me absolutely stinks in all of this. MILD kidney failure. Kidney failure is serious it’s NEVER mild. All kidney failure can kill you.
    To say that He was doing work whilst having double pneumonia is bull, sorry. My Mother died with it and was too weak to talk never mind reading a paper. He would be completely incapacitated. It just doesn’t add up.

    Yeah, there's contradictory info coming out.  "Critical" but in good spirits and working.  Kidney "failure".  Well, you could have a mild strain on the kidneys where kidney operation isn't optimal, but "failure"?  Are the terms just not coming across accurately in translation from the Italian?
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    FEB 29 evening: Pope Francis today had a sudden worsening of his health
    « Reply #168 on: February 28, 2025, 06:17:19 PM »
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    FEB 29 evening: Pope Francis today had a sudden worsening of his health
    This due to an “isolated attack of bronchospasm which caused an episode of vomiting with inhalation and a sudden worsening of his respiratory condition.”

    He had “bronchoaspiration & was put on non-invasive mechanical ventilation, with a good response in terms of gas exchange.”

    #PopeFrancis “remained alert and oriented, and cooperated with the therapeutic measures.
    The prognosis therefore remains uncertain.”

    Prior to the sudden attack, he had been “alternating between respiratory physiotherapy and prayer in the chapel.”
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #169 on: February 28, 2025, 06:21:42 PM »
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    • There is no Feb 29, this year
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #170 on: February 28, 2025, 06:28:21 PM »
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    • "prayer in the chapel.”

    Sure
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #171 on: February 28, 2025, 06:31:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 28, 2025, 03:33:56 PM
    Yeah, there's contradictory info coming out.  "Critical" but in good spirits and working.  Kidney "failure".  Well, you could have a mild strain on the kidneys where kidney operation isn't optimal, but "failure"?  Are the terms just not coming across accurately in translation from the Italian?
    They stage kidney failure like everything else . CKD ( chronic kidney disease/ failure) is CKD 1 ( which many well functioning people are in, (especially after 65)
    CKD2, CKD3 CKD4 and CKD5 which is total non-function and would place a person on dialysis. Acute kidney failure is usually severe but may be temporary and resolvable.
    There may be a period of dialysis with AKF.
    Mild Kidney failure? it doesn't sound too dangerous.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #172 on: February 28, 2025, 06:35:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on February 28, 2025, 02:54:43 PM
    And today they say he's worst then better???

    "The Holy Father, this afternoon, after a morning spent alternating between respiratory physiotherapy and prayer in the chapel, experienced an isolated episode of bronchospasm. This caused an episode of vomiting, which led to him inhaling some and a sudden worsening of his respiratory condition."

    https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-02/pope-francis-health-press-office-statement-bronchospasm.html
    Aspiration pneumonia can be extremely dangerous, considering he already had a poor baseline with pneumonia already present. His lungs must be a mess
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #173 on: February 28, 2025, 07:00:50 PM »
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #174 on: February 28, 2025, 07:35:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on February 28, 2025, 06:35:50 PM
    Aspiration pneumonia can be extremely dangerous, considering he already had a poor baseline with pneumonia already present. His lungs must be a mess

    Uhm, this too involves mixed signals.  Yeah, he's improving, working, going to the chapel, but now he's aspirated vomit and needs additional ventilation?  I think there's something else going on here and that they're covering something up, for whatever reason.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #175 on: February 28, 2025, 07:36:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Michelle on February 28, 2025, 06:28:21 PM
    "prayer in the chapel.”

    Sure

    Right.  I'm sure he rarely does that even when he's not in hospital.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #176 on: February 28, 2025, 07:38:50 PM »
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    • Sorry Josefa but I beg to differ. Mild, which I don’t subscribe to, kidney failure when coupled with double pneumonia is quite serious. Remember He was in critical condition on Saturday when this happened. Could be fatal.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #177 on: February 28, 2025, 08:10:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on February 28, 2025, 07:36:03 PM
    Right.  I'm sure he rarely does that even when he's not in hospital.
    But maybe this episode has scared the hell out of him....let's hope.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #178 on: February 28, 2025, 09:49:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: ark of covenant on February 28, 2025, 07:38:50 PM
    Sorry Josefa but I beg to differ. Mild, which I don’t subscribe to, kidney failure when coupled with double pneumonia is quite serious. Remember He was in critical condition on Saturday when this happened. Could be fatal.
    Agreed . I was just isolating the term mild kidney failure on its own .Yes with the intubation he is having multi system failure - serious unto death . 
    Just mild kidney failure on its own , in general is not as bad as it sounds.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #179 on: March 01, 2025, 03:43:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on February 28, 2025, 02:54:43 PM


     This caused an episode of vomiting'

    I didn't know he said again traditionalists, like those going to the traditional Latin Mass, are now the enemy of modern Catholicism.
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