I sure wouldn't want "destruction of the Church with my own hands, as much as laid within my power" on my soul at my Particular Judgment..
I guess we should pray for his conversion and repentance before he dies.:pray:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-pope-francis-has-double-pneumonia-vatican-announces/?utm_source=daily-canada-2025-02-18&utm_medium=email
You will know if the time has come when media coverage ramps up and becomes almost infinite because of speculation.
This is what happened when they announced Queen Elizabeth had died. Almost 8 hours of speculation until they cut to a BBC anchor and looped the death announcement. It will be the only media story for about 2 weeks, and like the events involving the English Royal Family and when JPII went, you will probably see most heads of state there at the state funeral.
My guess is that like the Queen, sports events, elections, Jimmy Carter, etc., they have a news package prepared just in case of his death.
At the same time, he may make a full recovery. Henry Kissinger lived to be over 100, you know.
Here's all you need to know summarized in a sentence: if something happens, you'll know.
Maybe he will finally kick the proverbial bucket this time. He has done so much damage to the faith of devout Catholics for over a decade and is such a manifest heretic that he can't die soon enough. And for those who think that is too harsh and un-Catholic, please look in the Catholic Encyclopedia under the term "Hate/Hatred" where it says that it is perfectly fine to pray for the death of a heresiarch and Bergoglio is a genuine heresiarch through and through. The sooner he dies and goes to hell where he belongs, the sooner the Church will be free from The Bergoglian Captivity.
Pope has double pneumonia; condition remains ‘complex’ – Vatican News. (https://twitter.com/VaticanNews/status/1891932958560227457) It dawns on me there will be big news at some point revealing things the conspiracy would rather see kept secret. To that end, the death of a Pope could be used by the conspiracy’s assets in media to drown out the big reveal, whatever it might be. Like Bush senior.
BTW, I had always heard that Bergoglio only had one lung, so how could he get "bilateral" pneumonia?He had part of his right lung removed when he was 21, not the entire lung.
I agree with A/C that his death will be used to mute important revelations about (((Deep State))):
I hope it hurts.
mainstream media picking up the story like its "breaking" news or something
Honestly, I kind of have mixed feelings at the thought of him dying. My greatest fear (which I have held for several years now) is that when he dies he will be replaced with someone that people think is conservative, like Ratzinger. I think Ratzinger did a lot more damage to the (real) Catholic Church than Bergoglio did, because a lot of trads went back to the new church when they thought Ratzinger was conservative.
The best outcome would be to get a real pope when Bergoglio dies, obviously, but the second best would be another Bergoglio to continue shoving people who believe in the Catholic Faith out of the fake Vatican 2 church. A "conservative" would be a worst-case scenario as far as I am concerned.
I, Jorge Bergoglio, am an Anti-Pope. I have opposed God, abetted Lucifer, and destroyed the souls of many Catholics with heresy and perversion. The entire post-Vatican 2 cult is a satanic impostor of Catholicism, a sect of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. I beg forgiveness from God and from every person who suffered from my influence. I beg that nobody follow my errors. I beg you to select a true Catholic as a true Pope, a true Vicar of Christ. I commend my soul to my Just Judge. May Jesus Christ have mercy on me.
Pain, whether physical or spiritual, has always been an effective incentive for me.
In that sense I certainly hope that Jorge is in the very worst agony of his life. Perhaps a taste of Hell will motivate him to do the right things before his last breath.
Imagine the worldwide impact and the impact on the subsequent conclave if Bergoglio recants and publicly repents on his death bed.
That is why one of those upvotes was mine.
Honestly, I kind of have mixed feelings at the thought of him dying. My greatest fear (which I have held for several years now) is that when he dies he will be replaced with someone that people think is conservative, like Ratzinger. I think Ratzinger did a lot more damage to the (real) Catholic Church than Bergoglio did, because a lot of trads went back to the new church when they thought Ratzinger was conservative.That's my fear also. The devil decieves good people (the elect) by what appears good.
The best outcome would be to get a real pope when Bergoglio dies, obviously, but the second best would be another Bergoglio to continue shoving people who believe in the Catholic Faith out of the fake Vatican 2 church. A "conservative" would be a worst-case scenario as far as I am concerned.
100% it's un-Catholic and is referred to as bitter zeal. God wills the salvation of all but you're over here relishing the thought that he "dies and goes to hell where he belongs". Apart from the fact that thankfully it's not up to people like you to decide "where he belongs", there's always hope for his conversion until the moment he dies .. i.e. "where he belongs" has not been determined yet....Ah, so I finally run into the "nororious bully/know-it-all of this forum"! Yes, the Lord will judge me the same way I judge others and I judge Bergoglio with righteous judgment. He is not just some heretical layman, priest or bishop who is merely responsible for guiding their small flocks. No no no, Bergoglio is responsible for leading over a billion Catholic souls as what most Catholics believe to be "the vicar of christ on earth" and so he is not to be held to the same judgmental standards as any other layman or prelate. That is righteous judgment. To compare him to my brother or to my son is irrelevant. My brother and my son are not believed to be the "vicar of christ on earth." And if he repents before death, then good for him. May he then be purged with the worst pains of purgatory for trillions of years and even then that would be too merciful. Oh, but of course you know more than most Catholics and so that entitles you to call people "dense" and challenge someone's "righteous judgment."
Like Bergoglio, you need to repent of this wickedness yourself or your own judgment will be harsh, likely harsher than his, since Our Lord will judge you with the same measure that you use to judge others. At least Bergoglio professes "Who am I to judge?" In a sense we ALL "belong" in hell, so if you go by that criterion there's no hope for you either.
Even you instinctively know it's un-Catholic because you start defending it immediately. If it were Catholic, it would need no defense.
Alas this bitterness is how the devil has laid low many Trads, especially sedevacantists, so please do some reflection here for your own sake. What if Bergoglio were your father or brother or son?
As for the Church being "freed from the Bergoglian captivity," are you dense enough to 1) think that this Crisis is about just Bergoglio and 2) that the Church would be free of his captivity ... when he appointed the vast majority of the voting Cardinals, and 3) that God won't allow this Crisis to continue and even to worsen under the next guy. At least Bergoglio was so open that he woke many people up, so he unwittingly performed a great service to Tradition. We could get a deceiver like Ratzinger back in there to put the Motarians back to sleep believing that we had a new St. Pius X.
Given all the progressives that Bergoglio appointed, I would think a Sarah election unlikely and if he does get elected, IMO, then it will have been done ON PURPOSE, deliberately engineered, since it simply cannot happen naturally given the "Cardinals" Bergoglio has appointed. And the intent there would then be to trick the Traddie-leaning types back into the Conciliar Entity..
It's also worth pointing out, for anyone who isn't aware of this, that roughly about 80% of the "cardinals" who have the right to vote (since they don't all have the right to vote anymore) were appointed by Bergoglio. I'm not sure where that fits in here, if it does, but I thought I'd mention it.
Ah, so I finally run into the "nororious bully/know-it-all of this forum"!
Expected from a Pharisee and apparently also a snowflake who can dish it out but can't take it, eh, bud?Again with the insults without admitting your own failure to distinguish between righteous judgment and mere Phariseeism.
Again with the insults without admitting your own failure to distinguish between righteous judgment and mere Phariseeism.
Maybe he will finally kick the proverbial bucket this time. He has done so much damage to the faith of devout Catholics for over a decade and is such a manifest heretic that he can't die soon enough. And for those who think that is too harsh and un-Catholic, please look in the Catholic Encyclopedia under the term "Hate/Hatred" where it says that it is perfectly fine to pray for the death of a heresiarch and Bergoglio is a genuine heresiarch through and through. The sooner he dies and goes to hell where he belongs, the sooner the Church will be free from The Bergoglian Captivity.
100% it's un-Catholic and is referred to as bitter zeal. God wills the salvation of all but you're over here relishing the thought that he "dies and goes to hell where he belongs". Apart from the fact that thankfully it's not up to people like you to decide "where he belongs", there's always hope for his conversion until the moment he dies .. i.e. "where he belongs" has not been determined yet with finality except in the foreknowledge of God ... to which you are not privy.
Like Bergoglio, you need to repent of this wickedness yourself or your own judgment will be harsh, likely harsher than his, since Our Lord will judge you with the same measure that you use to judge others. At least Bergoglio professes "Who am I to judge?" In a sense we ALL "belong" in hell, so if you go by that criterion there's no hope for you either.
Even you instinctively know it's un-Catholic because you start defending it immediately. If it were Catholic, it would need no defense.
Alas this bitterness is how the devil has laid low many Trads, especially sedevacantists, so please do some reflection here for your own sake. What if Bergoglio were your father or brother or son?
As for the Church being "freed from the Bergoglian captivity," are you dense enough to 1) think that this Crisis is about just Bergoglio and 2) that the Church would be free of his captivity ... when he appointed the vast majority of the voting Cardinals, and 3) that God won't allow this Crisis to continue and even to worsen under the next guy. At least Bergoglio was so open that he woke many people up, so he unwittingly performed a great service to Tradition. We could get a deceiver like Ratzinger back in there to put the Motarians back to sleep believing that we had a new St. Pius X.
Ah, so I finally run into the "nororious bully/know-it-all of this forum"!
I distinguished it quite cleary, and can't help it if you're a moron ... not to mention a hypocrite as you started with the personal insults, whereas I had merely pointed out the unacceptabiliity of your rancid comments. Even YOU on one level recognized, despite your having suppressed it in your own mind, that this attitude is not Catholic, since you immediately pointed out that most would (rightly so) consider this attitude not Catholic and immediately launched into defending it before anyone else had even written anything against it. On one level you instinctively know it's wrong and nasty, and it's noxious, smelling of devilish sulfur.You know that you began the insults by calling someone "dense" and the insults continue to flow with "moron" and "hypocrite". I correctly assumed that others would erroneously consider my position to be "not Catholic" due to the fact that the modernist Catholic Church has greatly softened its position on just judgment and that is why I cited the Catholic Encyclopedia article on it being absolutely acceptible to hate and pray for the death of a heresiarch, especially the most influential heresiarch unfortuntely still alive: Bergoglio.
Sad that something like this was posted and, even worse, got two upvotes. It's attitudes like this that make me lose hope regarding Traditional Catholicism. Doctrine might be good, well, for some Trads, but the charity seems mightily wanting for many.(https://i.imgur.com/0oBZsL8.gif)
You know that you began the insults by calling someone "dense" and the insults continue to flow with "moron" and "hypocrite".
"Pope" Francis is a sack of demon feces.
"Pope" Francis is a sack of demon feces.
Then you have the wimp DecemRationis jumping on the bandwagon because he's been exposed for heresy himself and wilted there like a snowflake.
In addition to praying for his conversion, I also pray for the restoration of the Church, that the evil he has done will be undone, that the enemies within the ape of the Church will be rife with confusion and that we will not be punished with another anti-Pope.
BTW, I had always heard that Bergoglio only had one lung, so how could he get "bilateral" pneumonia?Good point!
And they will continue to flow. You have more of a chance of squaring a train's iron wheel than breaking through the shell of Lad's insult nut.I agree wholeheartedly. However, I was told/warned about his behavior by several former members. It doesn't surprise me to run into fellow Catholic Christians who possess holier-than-thou attitudes replete with an arsenal of insults to use toward those who merely disagree with them. It's kind of funny to realize this Laszlo fellow also believes in such things as a flat earth and that Cardinal Siri was a real pope. The fact that he knows (like all name-calling keyboard warriors) that his insults and name-calling only work on the internet and not in real life when confronting someone truly shows his immaturity and cowardice. I will not let him drive me away from this forum and I will never be so low as to insult him the way he insults others.
Good point!If I am not mistaken, the story was that he lost part of one lung, not all of it, due to an infection when he was younger.
Yeah, they're not going to be voting for Bishop Sanborn or even Archbishop Vigano anytime soon, that's for sure. That's why I brought up that if they DO elect some conservative type like Sarah or Burke, it would only be as a "conservative" Trojan horse meant to lull the "Trad Inc." and neo-SSPX back to their Ratzingerian sleep.If this does happen it would be interesting as it would coincide with the possible upcoming SSPX episcopal consecrations. I could see permission being granted by a "conservative" pope and that being used as justification for a "reconciliation"
Imagine if your mother, father, brother or sister was a heretic or schismatic or apostate, and they always attacked the Church turning people away from Christ. Are you going to wish they die and burn in hell? Or will you pray they are repentant and converted? 'Pope' Francis is 'supposed' to be our father, regardless if he is actually the Pope or not actually the Pope how can you desire his condemnation?Praying for the death for a heretic should be understood in charity, it's not that you would rather them not repent and be converted but unrepentant it's more safe for everyone else if they die to stop spreading their errors.
If he does go to hell it is the just judgment and punishment of God, but right now he is alive and still has time to repent.
Some of you are letting your malice blind you, this is not good.
Praying for the death for a heretic should be understood in charity, it's not that you would rather them not repent and be converted but unrepentant it's more safe for everyone else if they die to stop spreading their errors.1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Also the early Christians prayed for their persecutors, it was this love that converted many of them.
If this does happen it would be interesting as it would coincide with the possible upcoming SSPX episcopal consecrations. I could see permission being granted by a "conservative" pope and that being used as justification for a "reconciliation"Knowing the Society and how reticent they are to consecrate new bishops even when Tissier de Mallerais is dead, that "eventually" is probably never.
That's my fear also. The devil decieves good people (the elect) by what appears good.Please do not construe my comments below as personal, but merely to re-frame "fear."
For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect
Surgent enim pseudochristi, et pseudoprophetae : et dabunt signa magna, et prodigia, ita ut in errorem inducantur ( si fieri potest) etiam electi. [Matthew 24:24]
Lad, consider only the external forum.
Is it not Catholic dogma that unrepentant mortal sinners "belong in hell"?
You witness the willful murder of an innocent. Is it wrong to conclude that objectively the murderer "belongs in hell"?
Analogously, you witness a willful murder of Catholic morals and dogma. Is it wrong then to conclude that objectively that murderer of souls "belongs in hell"?
We all belong in Hell, barring perhaps the one or two saints who never committed mortal sin or those who died before reaching the age of reason to commit one, and even they were only preserved from sin by the unmerited grace of God. That has nothing to with 1) whether we should wish that on anyone and 2) making that judgment of a soul that belogns only to God ... He alone knows the internal forum. Not even the Church judges regarding the internal forum, de internis Ecclesia non judicat.
There is no consideration of ONLY the external forum in terms of going to Hell. Considering ONLY the external forum, we all belong there, and UNTIL WE DIE no final determination has been made, at least as far as WE know and as far as WE are concerned. Only God knows where that soul will end up, and it's not our place to decide ahead of time where that is.
Really, the more Trads act and talk like this, the more it becomes evident why Traditional Catholicism is not converting anyone.
Another analogy I wanted to throw out there --I nominate that for First Place in the thread killer category.
A man isn't permitted to "enjoy" or "consent" to any pleasure that results from nocturnal emission. However, it's interesting that one is morally permitted to be happy about the aftermath, namely the temporary drop-off in concupiscence that occurs afterward. One is explicitly allowed to be happy about that part. I remember that, because it was somewhat unexpected as I read it.
I see strong parallels here. You aren't allowed to relish or root for a man's condemnation or unhappy death -- but since it HAPPENED (outside your control of course) you can go ahead and be happy about the benefits to the Church that will follow due to his absence.
Maybe he will finally kick the proverbial bucket this time. He has done so much damage to the faith of devout Catholics for over a decade and is such a manifest heretic that he can't die soon enough. And for those who think that is too harsh and un-Catholic, please look in the Catholic Encyclopedia under the term "Hate/Hatred" where it says that it is perfectly fine to pray for the death of a heresiarch and Bergoglio is a genuine heresiarch through and through. The sooner he dies and goes to hell where he belongs, the sooner the Church will be free from The Bergoglian Captivity.The notion of wishing anyone to hell for all eternity is the most uncharitable and uncatholic thing any Catholic could possibly wish for.
The notion of wishing anyone to hell for all eternity is the most uncharitable and uncatholic thing any Catholic could possibly wish for.
THIS ^^^Absolutely. The phenomenon in modern culture of wishing eternal damnation upon people is horrible. These are not people to whom you should wish to have your children exposed.
Absolutely. The phenomenon in modern culture of wishing eternal damnation upon people is horrible. These are not people to whom you should wish to have your children exposed.Weak non-judgmental and non-punishmental attitudes like this is the reason the Church and the rest of the world is in the current state it is in.
[color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]Pope Francis (https://www.usatoday.com/news/world/pope-francis/)[/url], who has been [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]hospitalized for over a week[/color] (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2025/02/21/pope-francis-hospitalized-pneumonia-health/79435502007/), is in critical condition after a "prolonged asthma-like respiratory crisis," the Vatican said Saturday.[/font][/size][/color]
The pope is "more unwell than yesterday," the Vatican said in a statement.
The 88-year-old pontiff was [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]hospitalized at the Gemelli University Hospital in Rome on Feb. 14 (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2025/02/14/pope-francis-hospital-bronchitis/78604185007/)[/url] for treatment for bronchitis, and was later diagnosed with a [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]polymicrobial infection[/color] (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/02/17/pope-francis-polymicrobial-infection-explained/78964466007/) and is being treated for double pneumonia. The Vatican first announced he had bronchitis on Feb. 6.[/font][/size][/color]
He also needed blood transfusions due to anemia and high-flow oxygen during the respiratory crisis, the Vatican said on Saturday. Still, the pope is alert and spent much of the day seated in an armchair.
His prognosis is "guarded," the Vatican said.
"The Holy Father's condition remains critical," the statement said. "The Pope is not out of danger."
Before his hospitalization, Francis reportedly struggled to speak and breathe at his public appearances and meetings in recent weeks. He has asked aides to read prepared remarks for him.
Francis has had several bouts with illness and visits to the Gemelli hospital in recent years, including flu-like [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]symptoms at this time last year (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2024/02/28/pope-francis-hospital-flu-vatican/72771232007/)[/url], [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]bronchitis in March 2023[/color] (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/31/pope-francis-hospital-discharge-expected/11576298002/) and [color=var(--accent-foreground-rest)]abdominal surgery in June 2023[/color] (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/06/07/pope-francis-surgery/70296475007/) to repair a hernia that kept him in the hospital nine days.[/font][/size][/color]
He also had two recent falls in December and last month, the Vatican said.
Pope Francis in critical condition after a 'respiratory crisis,' Vatican says (https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/pope-francis-in-critical-condition-after-a-respiratory-crisis-vatican-says/ar-AA1zAmvS?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=0ad64519231e469af0bede00c6725b91&ei=9)
Weak non-judgmental and non-punishmental attitudes like this is the reason the Church and the rest of the world is in the current state it is in.
Weak non-judgmental and non-punishmental attitudes like this is the reason the Church and the rest of the world is in the current state it is in.Please explain how it is consonant with Catholic teaching positively to wish, and to take delectation in the thought, that someone will burn in hell for all eternity.
Please explain how it is consonant with Catholic teaching positively to wish, and to take delectation in the thought, that someone will burn in hell for all eternity.
We can legitimately recognize that just punishment falls upon those who die in mortal sin, but that is a far cry from hoping that it happens. I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.
Yes, he needs to convert. No Catholic should relish the thought of any unrepentant sinner about to enter Hell -- I know Christ doesn't.He doesn't believe he's destroying the church, which he can't, he believes he's right and that's it, and we're viscious mean old trads. He will deal with that in the immediate judgment. Like all of us.
But no man lives forever. So that leaves conversion as the only option for him.
But I sure wouldn't want "destruction of the Church with my own hands, as much as laid within my power" on my soul at my Particular Judgment.
23 Is it my will that a sinner should die, saith the Lord God, and not that he should be converted from his ways, and live?
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unjust man his thoughts, and let him return to the Lord, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God: for he is bountiful to forgive. 8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
But I think God was seeking my repentance. For He does not desire the death of a sinner but magnanimously awaits his return to Him.
Humanly speaking we are doomed. I stand to be corrected, but all of the cardinals are right along with the New Mass; and they all probably believe that the Catholic Church is not necessary for salvation. Hoorah for the Anonymous Christian of Ratzinger et alia. If a conclave coincides with a war, then things get interesting.
Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last night ... but official sources don't indicate this. I believe there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.
Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last night ... but official sources don't indicate this. I believe there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.
there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.That's always the case for VIPs' deaths, that they're announced a few days after their actual death.
Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last nightIt's possible. He did have a blood transfusion.
That's always the case for VIPs' deaths, that they're announced a few days after their actual death.
I would take this cuм grano salis until there is official confirmation.
That's always the case for VIPs' deaths, that they're announced a few days after their actual death.
Given everything happening, along with some reports of clotting as well, I wouldn't be surprised if he's being victimized by the jab. Perhaps the jab was causing the clotting, as well as kidney problems and fluid retention, and ADE could be leading to his "polymicrobial" infection, which, from what I understand, comes from your immune system shutting down.
Clotting can cause heart damage and lead to congestive heart failure (which leads to fluid retention, swelling ... like we've seen on Bergoglio for some time), and then the polymicrobial infection sounds like ADE, immune system shutdown. Putting it all together, he may be dying from the jab that he pushed.
Someone just shared this with me:
Bascially saying that his organs are starting to fail... I am not quite sure what "palative care" means or what exactly the man was saying. It is a short video but apparently he has friends in Italy who shared this information with him.
https://youtu.be/T4rv8O7xoAE?si=ZsH-uW93fsJ-_FvX Pope's organs are starting to fail (https://youtu.be/T4rv8O7xoAE?si=ZsH-uW93fsJ-_FvX Pope's organs are starting to fail)
Given everything happening, along with some reports of clotting as well, I wouldn't be surprised if he's being victimized by the jab. Perhaps the jab was causing the clotting, as well as kidney problems and fluid retention, and ADE could be leading to his "polymicrobial" infection, which, from what I understand, comes from your immune system shutting down.
Wow, now there is the most interesting theory. Remember he practically made it a sin NOT to get the jab. How ironic if he were to get the same result that millions got thanks to his advice. That said, it is our duty to pray for him no matter what he has said and done.
Yes, a certain Spirit moves me to say, "Father, forgive him, for he knew not what he did."
Hmm. Those words seem familiar somehow. I wonder Whose Spirit it is?
All judgment of souls rightfully belongs to Christ the King so I will NOT disrespect Christ by presuming to step on His territory.
What I DO know with 100% certainty is that God is not mocked.
I also know with moral certainty that the jab is a malicious evil device of the devil's henchmen on earth. It is not only evil on the supernatural level, but on a purely natural level as well. The WEF and its agenda is ANYTHING but approved by God.
Pushing the jab is the same as pushing willful murder -- nay, genocide.
If it's indeed true that Pope Francis pushed the evil jab, that is not a good sign.
Someone just shared this with me:
Bascially saying that his organs are starting to fail... I am not quite sure what "palative care" means or what exactly the man was saying. It is a short video but apparently he has friends in Italy who shared this information with him.
https://youtu.be/T4rv8O7xoAE?si=ZsH-uW93fsJ-_FvX Pope's organs are starting to fail (https://youtu.be/T4rv8O7xoAE?si=ZsH-uW93fsJ-_FvX Pope's organs are starting to fail)
palliative care = keeping the person comfortable (usually with large doses of Morphine) until they finish the process of dying.Thank you for explaining! I wasn't really familiar with the word until now. :cowboy:
Sometimes palliative care includes "helping them cross over" with various drugs. It's a bit of a grey area. Basically a "lite" or "soft" form of euthanasia, usually without anyone's consent.
palliative care = keeping the person comfortable (usually with large doses of Morphine) until they finish the process of dying.
Sometimes palliative care includes "helping them cross over" with various drugs. It's a bit of a grey area. Basically a "lite" or "soft" form of euthanasia, usually without anyone's consent.
Wow, now there is the most interesting theory. Remember he practically made it a sin NOT to get the jab. How ironic if he were to get the same result that millions got thanks to his advice. That said, it is our duty to pray for him no matter what he has said and done.
Think of all the powerful people in the world, who own/control banking, media, and the academic world. But there are some things even they can't control.I'm sure they wanted him to approve sodomite "blessings" first…
Yeah, in the US "paliative care" basically means they're making you as comfortable as possible while you die.How interesting... I had missed that.
When I saw the news about the kidneys being impact, that's when I realized that he's not coming back from this. Organ shutdown happens as the end result of congestive heart failure. I know that my father eventually succuмbed to it, and the massive bloating (clearly from water retention) even before he was hospitalized most certainly reminded me of what happened to my father ... and then organ failure followed, starting with the kidneys.
I also found it interesting that his condition was declared critical on February 22nd, Traditional Feast of the Chair of St. Peter.
Yeah, in the US "paliative care" basically means they're making you as comfortable as possible while you die.That is definitely an interesting detail
When I saw the news about the kidneys being impact, that's when I realized that he's not coming back from this. Organ shutdown happens as the end result of congestive heart failure. I know that my father eventually succuмbed to it, and the massive bloating (clearly from water retention) even before he was hospitalized most certainly reminded me of what happened to my father ... and then organ failure followed, starting with the kidneys.
I also found it interesting that his condition was declared critical on February 22nd, Traditional Feast of the Chair of St. Peter.
Hypothetical question, if God struck a king (e.g., King Herod) with a grievous disease on date X, but he died on date X + 1 or X + 2, wouldn't date X be significant, as the day God's judgment struck him?
When the two (being struck, and death) are SO closely related, with a basic Cause -> Effect relationship, by a matter of just a couple of days?
Pope Francis was in critical condition on Saturday night after having a long “asthmatic respiratory crisis” earlier in the day that required “high flows of oxygen” as well as a blood transfusion, the Vatican said, adding to concerns about the health of the 88-year-old pontiff.
Prior to that, the chair was last publicly exhibited in 1867, when Pope Pius IX allowed it to be seen for 12 days to mark the 1,800th anniversary of the martyrdom of Peter and Paul. Before that, the chair had not been seen since 1666 when it was first encased inside Gian Lorenzo Bernini’s monumental bronze sculpture under the stained-glass Dove of the Holy Spirit window at the basilica’s apse.
By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.
"Pope Francis is well but is not out of danger yet” and will have to remain in the hospital “at least all next week,” two of his doctors said at a press briefing at Rome’s Gemelli Hospital at 5:30 p.m. on Friday, Feb. 21. Nevertheless, they said, “his life is not in danger right now.
Pope in hospital, condition remains critical but no new respiratory crisis (https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-02/pope-condition-critical-but-no-new-respiratory-crisis.html)
Pope Francis is alert and oxygen is still being administered. His blood values are improving thanks to transfusions. There is an initial slight renal insufficiency. He attended Mass today.
Vatican News
The Holy See Press Office provided the following medical update on Pope Francis on Sunday evening:
The condition of the Holy Father remains critical, but since yesterday evening, he has not experienced any further respiratory crises.
He received two units of concentrated red blood cells with beneficial effects, and his hemoglobin levels have risen.
The thrombocytopenia remains stable; however, some blood tests show early, mild renal insufficiency, which is currently under control.
High-flow oxygen therapy continues through nasal cannulas.
The Holy Father remains alert and well-oriented.
The complexity of the clinical situation and the necessary time for the pharmacological treatments to show results require that the prognosis remain guarded.
This morning, in the apartment on the tenth floor, he participated in the Holy Mass, together with those who have been taking care of him during these days of hospitalization.
I keep thinking of this prophecy, from Blessed Tomasuccio of Foligno:
So, what happened about 12 years past the millennium? Ratzinger stepped down in early 2013, i.e. after 12 years had passed, yielding to Bergoglio. Strangely, Bergoglio has led to a lot of people waking up regarding the "schism" and this hiding in the shadows of the "mantle of legitimate power", where it had been placed by the schism. Sounds very much like the eclipse of the Church foretold by Our Lady of LaSalette. Could it be that we get that "worthy Shepherd" after Bergoglio passes away?
By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.
So you might notice that "Cardinal" Parolin seems to be putting himself out there front and center, undoubtedly auditioning and rehearsing for the next "leadership" role. He's clearly posturing to be the next Pope, leading a Rosary (surprised he knows how to say it). "Cardinal" Zen excoriated the man and felt he was a hidden hand puppet-controlling Bergoglio. If that guy gets elected, the Antichrist will be revealed shortly thereafter, and perhaps that's what Trump meant by all this talk of the "Golden Age" (of Blavatsky)..
Mons. Carlo Maria Viganò
Lapides clamabunt (https://exsurgedomine.it/250223-declaratio-eng/)
Statement by Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò
on the situation of the Church and the Papacy
Dico vobis, quia si hi tacuerint,
lapides clamabunt.
I tell you, if these are silent,
the stones will cry out.
Lk 19:40
The contradictory updates being given about Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s medical condition casts a disturbing light on the way Vatican communications are being managed. There are those who believe that “the Pope is already deceased” and that this fact is being kept hidden from the public. It is clear that the Vatican and the Bergoglian deep church are in a panic and will do everything to gather the consensus of the Cardinals together around the name of someone who will continue the Bergoglian revolution. There are those who have every interest in burying their own crimes – along with those of Bergoglio – while in the United States there is a head-on clash of the US Bishops’ Conference against the Trump Administration, after the scandal regarding the funds of the Agency for International Development (USAID) has brought to light the complicity of the Catholic Church in the lucrative business of immigration.
It is necessary to prevent the progressive hierarchy from ensuring that one of their own is Bergoglio’s successor, that is, another usurper on the Throne of Peter who will be the heir and continuator of the previous one. Before hammering the final nail into Bergoglio’s coffin, it is therefore essential and urgent that light be shed on the usurpation he perpetrated and on the occupation of the Catholic Church by a corrupt and treacherous hierarchy, whose sole aim is to destroy Her from within.
The maneuvers of the Saint Gallen Mafia in tandem with the ultra-progressive Left; the unpunished crimes of Theodore McCarrick; McCarrick’s role within the Democrat Administrations; the influence McCarrick has exercised in obtaining episcopal appointments for his “heirs”– who are all ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and corrupt – designated to fill key positions in the US and in the Vatican; McCarrick’s work as Bergoglio’s liaison to the Chinese Communist regime in order to obtain the signing of the Secret Agreement with the Holy See; the role of the Jesuits in promoting the globalist agenda; Bergoglio’s scandalous ongoing cover-ups of notorious abusers and perverts; the cover-up of the dossier about the Vatican corruption network, delivered by Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI to Bergoglio in April 2013 and about which there has still never been any follow-up; Bergoglio’s role in the crime perpetrated against humanity with the “Covid pandemic” and the imposition of vaccines; the cynical exploitation of illegal immigrants in order to destroy the social fabric of the West: all this and more confirms that the Bergoglian church is not only an accomplice in the subversive plan of the World Economic Forum but a leading protagonist. The faithful have the right to know the full truth about all of these events.
After years of lies, dissimulations, and silence, it is necessary to acknowledge Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s fraud and put him on trial, restoring that truth and justice demanded by the victims of his reprisals, his intimidating acts, and his connivance in the crimes of his instigators and his protégés. Investigations are needed into his past life, into the crimes he committed in Argentina (which is why he never returned as “pope” to his native country) and into the murky events that allege Jorge Mario Bergoglio was personally responsible for the sɛҳuąƖ abuse of young Jesuits when he was Novice Master in Argentina. It must be clarified whether Tomas Ricardo Arizaga (known as Tomasito), who died on 20 July 2014 at the age of 11, and who was then cremated and buried in 2019 in the Teutonic Cemetery in the Vatican after having had his teeth removed, is really Bergoglio’s son, as has been rumored for too long and as multiple elements lead us to believe.
An international criminal alliance united subversive forces to eliminate Benedict XVI, forcing him to resign and replacing him with an emissary of globalism. Cardinal Godfried Danneels himself admitted it, referring to the Mafia of Saint Gallen; McCarrick reiterated it when speaking at Villanova University on October 11, 2013; the president and founder of Voices of Progress – a pressure group that deals with climate change, migration, and other woke issues – planned it, discussing it with John Podesta (Hillary Clinton campaign chairman), in emails released by Wikileaks (here (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/57579)).
The “Catholic Spring” has made use of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a corrupt and maneuverable character, fraudulently imposed upon the Catholic Church as “pope”. We ask the Authorities of the United States of America and Argentina to provide docuмents and evidence of these facts. This will prove that Jorge Mario Bergoglio has never been pope of the Catholic Church: all his acts of government and teaching are null and void, and all his appointments are null and void, including those of the Cardinals who will elect his successor.
It is now time to face the truth with courage, so that the liberation of the Catholic Church from the subversives who have occupied Her for too long in order to destroy Her may be a radical and authentic liberation, and so that the accomplices of the fraud – who are still in the Vatican and will survive Bergoglio – may be discovered and put on trial, before their criminal action destroys the evidence of the crimes they have committed.
+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
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Oh, very interesting. Thank you, Ladislaus. I have been wondering who is rumored to replace Bergoglio and I haven't heard any rumors yet. Parolin ... Okay, that guy is about comparable with Bergoglio, right?
Are there any other rumors about who is going to wear the white cassock next
The contradictory updates being given about Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s medical condition casts a disturbing light on the way Vatican communications are being managed. There are those who believe that “the Pope is already deceased” and that this fact is being kept hidden from the public.
So my biggest fear is someone like a Sarah ...My fear is ANY member of the putative College of Cardinals being elected putative Pope of the putative Church.
My fear is ANY member of the putative College of Cardinals being elected putative Pope of the putative Church.
I don't understand. "Catholics" are ALREADY accepting a public heretic as Pope. What do we think Jorge Bergoglio is and has been for the past decade or so? No, the simple-minded sheep will accept whatever they throw out there wearing a white cassock, even if it's a transgender like in the "Conclave" movie. I actually suspect there are a couple among the "papabili" (look at some of their pictures, resembling very much that culprit from the movie). They've been boiling the frog for decades now.
No, the WORSE situation will be where they'll trot out some conservative type like Sarah. Naturally speaking, that will not be possible, since 80% of the voting Cardinals were appointed by Beroglgio, so IF that happens it will merely be part of some strategem.
So, the major blessing to come from Bergoglio has been in granting a (final?) opportunity for the "Trad, Inc." fence sitters like LifeSite, like Matt's "Clans", like Taylor Marshall, like many others, to wake up to the fact that the Conciliar Church is an Anti-Church. You've had the Bergoglian era here as your chance to wake up and get off the fence. But if they bring a Sarah in to free up the Tridentine Mass again, perhaps reinstate a Bishop Strickland, perhaps even sack a few of the more outrageous heresiarchs in the episcopate, those of you who have not jumped off the Conciliar train will be sucked right back in ... to be driven over the cliff. So pray that you wake up before that happens.
Given Begoglio's successful shifting of the Overton window, you all would hail a Sarah as if he were the reincarnation of St. Pius X and imbibe all the heresies (ecclesiology and soteriology) of the Conciliar Entity.
In addition, the major Traditional group, SSPX, would be sucked back into the Conciliar Borg Collective within days of a Sarah election.
So instead of keeping your eyes out for the Leftists, wake up to the Trojan horse pseudo-conservatives who continue to push the Conciliar religion and how they might fool you by sucking you back into the Conciliar Church. After Ratzinger died, Ganswein admitted that the "Motu" represented an attempt to reabsorb SSPX, and if you look at Ratzinger's background, Bishop Tissier, having studied it, concluded (rightly) that he was a "worse heretic than Luther". Ratzinger was a bosom buddy of the Modernist heretics, wearing suit and tie at Vatican II, but the infiltrator PR machine reinvented him as "God's Rotweiler" during the JP2 era, during which he administered a couple slaps on the wrist to open heretics like Küng and Curran, with the former, an open public heretic, merely having to change the sign on his office door to indicate that he no longer taught "CATHOLIC" theology, so a mere paper transfer. No suspension, defrocking, excommunication ... nothing. But Archbishop Lefebvre's hands were still warm from the heads of the consecrands when with unprecedented alacrity and enthusiasm they declared the excommunication of the SSPX bishops in blitzkrieg fashion. Please wake up and smell the coffee, people. You're being duped by the infiltrators.
It stands to reason, no? Those who are driving this attempt to destroy the Catholic Church could hardly care less about the 90%+ of "Catholics" who are Leftists, heretics by THEIR OWN POLLS. They're already won over. Their final battle will be the souls of you in "Trad, Inc." ... and your last chance to decide for Christ or against Him is quickly coming to a close. Perhaps God in His Mercy will have them roll out someone just as bad as Bergoglio, but that would be a mercy granted to you ... but I am doubting this. I see the Bergoglian era as your last-chance wakeup call. I pray that you take it.
LifeSite news is pushing this article to watch out for the Conciliar heretics that might come out of the next conclave, to which I responded on X as follows:Solid analysis. Aren't X posts word-count-limited? You must had had to string a dozen posts for all that content.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/analysis/catholics-must-refuse-to-accept-a-public-heretic-as-pope-heres-why/
Thank you, but the link above is broken ...Thank you for catching that. Usually I try and double check after posting but had to run. :cowboy:
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-has-under-72-hours-to-live-latest-reports/
This provides confirmation for the video report of his having gone into "palliative care" posted here yesterday.
I woke up around 12:45 AM last night feeling the need to pray for him ... first thought that came to me when I woke up.
Thank you for catching that. Usually I try and double check after posting but had to run. :cowboy:
Well, sure, but speaking from a tactical perspective. Let's say Sarah gets elected and he makes a show of disciplining a few of the more egregious heresiarchs among the episcopal ranks, perhaps frees up the Tridentine Mass again, reinstitutes the Motu, perhaps even strengthens it (preventing bishops from blocking it even in public), etc. ... I'm convinced that within a week, the SSPX will have been reabsorbed, from where its destruction will be complete ... leaving the remnant Traditionalists without even the SSPX as an option for Mass and Sacraments in an increasing number of cases.I do agree. In such case, the SSPX will rush to te arms of the Modernists in Rome.
It's similar to what's happening with Trump. Those on the Right were so fed up with Biden's extreme Leftism that now they are so taken with Trump's reaction against Biden, against government corruption, etc. ... that they'd follow Trump over the cliff, which is precisely here he ultimately intends to take them. Similarly, after the Bergoglian era, a Sarah would be perceived as if he were a new St. Pius X, pursuant to this huge shift in the Overton window, and would IMMEDIATELY reel back in the fence-sitters like the Michael Matts, Taylor Marshalls, various other Motarian types into the Conciliar entity. This Bergoglian era was given to them as the last chance to make up their minds, to determine which side of the fence they wanted to step off onto, but it may be coming to a close where if after ALL the heresy that Bergoglio has spewed, if they haven't woken up yet to the true nature of the Church and her eclipse during this Crisis, their window will have closed. And not only would a Sarah reel back in the fence sitters (he might even restore Strickland to his "see" ... with Strickland having had time to wake up but refusing to), but he would undoubtedly reel back the entire SSPX hook, line, and sinker into the Conciliar Entity.
I do agree. In such case, the SSPX will rush to te arms of the Modernists in Rome.
It looks like Bergoglio has gotten a little better, and I think he has been upgraded to stable condition. I get the impression the doctors don't really know what the outcome is going to be.
I saw this on Twitter. Only someone who's devil-possessed and sinning against the Holy Ghost could say this ...I once saw a group on FB called, and this is not a joke: "Pope Francis: A Living Saint".
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkqQbFnWEAAE1IK?format=jpg&name=900x900)
I saw this on Twitter. Only someone who's devil-possessed and sinning against the Holy Ghost could say this ...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkqQbFnWEAAE1IK?format=jpg&name=900x900)
But hasn't there been more papal saints in the Catholic Church since Vatican II than ever before.
Obviously the holiest time ever in the Catholic Church.
He "‘continues to improve’ with prognosis still secret, Vatican reports" (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-continues-to-improve-with-prognosis-still-secret-vatican-reports/). That statement is contradictory. Isn't judging that he "continues to improve" itself a prognosis? It's a prediction (prognosis) that his health in the future will be better than it is now.Quote from: ++Viganò, 2025-02-24The contradictory updates being given about Jorge Mario Bergoglio’s medical condition
They probably know when their 75- to 100- year window of oppportunity and power began, and this might actually be what Our Lord meant about even the elect being lost if the days were not shortened. They may not have the luxury of time to just frog-boil the rest of the Trads and that might be what saves them in the end, a shortening of the time.
IMO the 100 years began when Pope Pius XI refused to consecrate Russia. He was told by Lucia, in 1929 that the hour was now to consecrate. In 1931, Our Lady told Lucia, Pope did not heed the request. Therefore, he will be like King Louis XIV who refused to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart. King Louis was dethroned and beheaded.( pope lost authority in his pontificate and the Church was without a head. 100 years to 2031?I agree with you. Our Lady came in 1929 and "the time has come for the pope and bishops to consecrate Russia to my Immaculate heart."
IMO the 100 years began when Pope Pius XI refused to consecrate Russia. He was told by Lucia, in 1929 that the hour was now to consecrate. In 1931, Our Lady told Lucia, Pope did not heed the request. Therefore, he will be like King Louis XIV who refused to consecrate France to the Sacred Heart. King Louis was dethroned and beheaded.( pope lost authority in his pontificate and the Church was without a head. 100 years to 2031?
If you are referring to the prophecy of Leo XIII, that was in 1884. That window would have ended in 1984.
He "‘continues to improve’ with prognosis still secret, Vatican reports" (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-continues-to-improve-with-prognosis-still-secret-vatican-reports/). That statement is contradictory. Isn't judging that he "continues to improve" itself a prognosis? It's a prediction (prognosis) that his health in the future will be better than it is now.
Is h even still alive?
This could all just be media hype so they can claim the pope's expected but not disclosed recovery was a "miracle" and he will continue his crusade of destroying both Church and Faith.
We are not alone in reaching this conclusion:
Nobody even knows. There's been no "proof of life", e.g. a little video of him saying something or giving a thumbs up (while holding today's L'Osservatore Romano). I suspect he may have already died on February 22, since a few days later there was a big article about how a close friend of his was barred from seeing him at the hospital..
There's absurdly contradictory info coming out, like "he's got 72 hours" vs. "he's improving" vs. "he's still critical ... but still somehow working".
.The motive they have is in tune with their "timing" I would believe. If they are not ready to roll out a new puppet/fαℓѕє fℓαg they will manipulate the truth into their own narrative. They do it every day.
I don't understand this theory. What would be the motive for them to pretend he is still alive if he is dead?
To say that He was doing work.
The motive they have is in tune with their "timing" I would believe. If they are not ready to roll out a new puppet/fαℓѕє fℓαg they will manipulate the truth into their own narrative. They do it every day..
.I have to imagine they have already figured out who is going to be next.I wouldn't discount that there could be jockying for his position. That could get quite intense.
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I don't understand this theory. What would be the motive for them to pretend he is still alive if he is dead?
Guys two things to me absolutely stinks in all of this. MILD kidney failure. Kidney failure is serious it’s NEVER mild. All kidney failure can kill you.
To say that He was doing work whilst having double pneumonia is bull, sorry. My Mother died with it and was too weak to talk never mind reading a paper. He would be completely incapacitated. It just doesn’t add up.
Michael Haynes 🇻🇦
@MLJHaynes (https://x.com/MLJHaynes/status/1895539753954824533)
FEB 29 evening: Pope Francis today had a sudden worsening of his health
This due to an “isolated attack of bronchospasm which caused an episode of vomiting with inhalation and a sudden worsening of his respiratory condition.”
He had “bronchoaspiration & was put on non-invasive mechanical ventilation, with a good response in terms of gas exchange.”
#PopeFrancis “remained alert and oriented, and cooperated with the therapeutic measures.
The prognosis therefore remains uncertain.”
Prior to the sudden attack, he had been “alternating between respiratory physiotherapy and prayer in the chapel.”
Yeah, there's contradictory info coming out. "Critical" but in good spirits and working. Kidney "failure". Well, you could have a mild strain on the kidneys where kidney operation isn't optimal, but "failure"? Are the terms just not coming across accurately in translation from the Italian?They stage kidney failure like everything else . CKD ( chronic kidney disease/ failure) is CKD 1 ( which many well functioning people are in, (especially after 65)
And today they say he's worst then better???Aspiration pneumonia can be extremely dangerous, considering he already had a poor baseline with pneumonia already present. His lungs must be a mess
"The Holy Father, this afternoon, after a morning spent alternating between respiratory physiotherapy and prayer in the chapel, experienced an isolated episode of bronchospasm. This caused an episode of vomiting, which led to him inhaling some and a sudden worsening of his respiratory condition."
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-02/pope-francis-health-press-office-statement-bronchospasm.html
"prayer in the chapel.”.
Sure
Aspiration pneumonia can be extremely dangerous, considering he already had a poor baseline with pneumonia already present. His lungs must be a mess
"prayer in the chapel.”
Sure
Right. I'm sure he rarely does that even when he's not in hospital.But maybe this episode has scared the hell out of him....let's hope.
Sorry Josefa but I beg to differ. Mild, which I don’t subscribe to, kidney failure when coupled with double pneumonia is quite serious. Remember He was in critical condition on Saturday when this happened. Could be fatal.Agreed . I was just isolating the term mild kidney failure on its own .Yes with the intubation he is having multi system failure - serious unto death .
This caused an episode of vomiting'
The conflicting reports of Bergoglio’s condition when he may be dead already reminds me of an old story out of Ireland:
Callahan loved his cat. One day he told his brother Mike: “I’m up to Dublin for a few days on business and I want you to take care the cat for me while I’m gone.”
“I will”
Three days go by and he phoned home and he says to Mike “How is the cat?”
Mike said, “The cat is dead.”
“My goodness! Did ya have to tell me like that?
Mike said, “What other way could I tell you the cat is dead?”
“You could have said anything. You coulda said the cat is up on the roof and the fire brigade is trying to get it down. The next time I phoned you could have said they got the cat and were taking it down, but let it fall and it was badly injured when it hit the ground. The next time when I phoned you could say the doctors tried every way to save the cat, but it was no good and the cat died. That way it wouldn’t have been such a shock to me. By the way, how is mother?”
He said “She’s up on the roof…”
Maybe they’re trying to soften the shock that Bergoglio is dead.
The conflicting reports of Bergoglio’s condition when he may be dead already.
Bergoglio hasn't appeared to show any signs of panic or contrition preceding and during his hospitalization.Maybe he wasn't even seriously ill to begin with. Maybe his "serious illness" was trumped-up by Vatican media to garner sympathy for him while he wanted to take a long isolated break from his regular activities. Then, when he wants to get back to continuing his crusade of destruction, they will say his recovery was a "miracle."
The world loves him. I wonder why.
Do the world love him? Conservatives can't stand him, and then most Leftists hate the Catholic Church, equating it with child predation ... and so Bergie is just the face of that.Which means I was truly blessed back in 2019 when I spent 15 days in the hospital and had no well-wishers, no visitors, no flowers, no cards, no callers except the landlord demanding the rent.
Wojtyla played it well by appealing to the conservatives, but I don't think Jorge has too many fans out there except among the Modernist-heretic "Catholics" themselves.
But after Wojtyla had passed, I made the comment that if the world loves him this much (and they absolutely did ... as most heads of state from all world governments attended his funeral), there must be something wrong with him.
Our Lord Himself told us that the world will hate those who truly are His followers.