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Ladislaus · « **Reply #105 on:** February 23, 2025, 03:19:47 PM »

I would not be surprised at all had he died on February 22nd, but they're deliberately delaying the announcement to put some separation between his death and that Traditional Feast.

Matthew · « **Reply #106 on:** February 23, 2025, 03:31:31 PM »

Hypothetical question, if God struck a king (e.g., King Herod) with a grievous disease on date X, but he died on date X + 1 or X + 2, wouldn't date X be significant, as the day God's judgment struck him?
When the two (being struck, and death) are SO closely related, with a basic Cause -> Effect relationship, by a matter of just a couple of days?

Note that it doesn't say Herod died the same day. It doesn't say how long it took the worms consumption to cost him his life. Hours? Days? A couple weeks?

Acts chapter 12:
21 And upon a day appointed, Herod being arrayed in kingly apparel, sat in the judgment seat, and made an oration to them. 22 And the people made acclamation, saying: It is the voice of a god, and not of a man 23 And forthwith an angel of the Lord struck him, because he had not given the honour to God: and being eaten up by worms, he gave up the ghost.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #107 on:** February 23, 2025, 03:34:35 PM »

Quote from: Matthew on February 23, 2025, 03:31:31 PM

Hypothetical question, if God struck a king (e.g., King Herod) with a grievous disease on date X, but he died on date X + 1 or X + 2, wouldn't date X be significant, as the day God's judgment struck him?
When the two (being struck, and death) are SO closely related, with a basic Cause -> Effect relationship, by a matter of just a couple of days?

I think it's a rhetorical question, since we know the answer. Even if he's still alive, the fact that his condition went "critical" on the Feast of the Chair of St. Peter has tremendous significance.

Matthew · « **Reply #108 on:** February 23, 2025, 03:38:13 PM »

I think the College of Cardinals -- at least the ones under the max voting age -- better cancel any shore leave at this point. Something tells me they're about to get called up for active duty in the very near future.

They've probably already hired a chimney sweep on the down-low for that special "white smoke/black smoke" chimney.

Bummer is that Trads can't even fantasize about Bp. Williamson getting miraculously elected this time around. I guess we'll have to pick a different "from your lips to God's ears" fantasy best-case scenario for a Trad Pope getting elected.
Maybe one of the remaining Resistance bishops Bp. Faure, Bp. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Zendejas...

Ladislaus · « **Reply #109 on:** February 23, 2025, 03:39:59 PM »

Here's a summary of the events from February 22 ...

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Pope Francis was in critical condition on Saturday night after having a long “asthmatic respiratory crisis” earlier in the day that required “high flows of oxygen” as well as a blood transfusion, the Vatican said, adding to concerns about the health of the 88-year-old pontiff.

So on Saturday, February 22, earlier in the day he suffered a "long asthmatic respiratory crisis" (asthmatic = fancy word for he couldn't breathe), and somehow this inability to breathe also required a blood transfusion (is that common, where a simple inability to breath requires a blood transfusion), after which his condition was declared "critical" on Saturday night (February 22nd). As you said, Matthew, even if he dies a few days after that, the significance of this is very difficult to overlook ... though I would also not be surprised if he did actually die on Saturday night (February 22) when they declared him to be "critical". If you recall, before Saturday, the reports were all that it was just a mild condition, that he was alert, conscious, eating breakfast, sleeping peacefully, and just doing tests and having some therapies done to help with his bronchitis/pneumonia, when, wham!, seemingly out of nowhere he goes critical. I bet if we go back the days before 2/22 we'd find the stories of them saying "nothing to see here, move along".

I actually didn't even know 2/22 was the Feast of the Chair of St. Peter except that God gave me the grace of being able to assist at daily Mass on Saturday at Father Carley's chapel and I heard him starting to read the propers of the Mass (Father says the entire Mass in a loud voice, perhaps due to his own hearing difficulties, and so I do not need a Missal), and realized what feast it was. Then I got home and saw the news about Bergoglio's critical condition. That's why I put 2 + 2 together (and, as Bishop Williamson liked to say, they don't equal 5).

Ladislaus · « **Reply #110 on:** February 23, 2025, 03:50:47 PM »

More interesting tidbits. In addition to "the Chair" being a reference to the actual Magisterium or Teaching Authority (Our Lord referred to the Chair of Moses as the seat of his teaching authority), I didn't realize that Bergoglio actually put the actual relic of said Chair on display late last year for the first time since Pius IX did in 1867, and then before that was 1666.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/262351/why-the-church-has-celebrated-the-feast-of-the-chair-of-st-peter-feast-for-1600-years

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Prior to that, the chair was last publicly exhibited in 1867, when Pope Pius IX allowed it to be seen for 12 days to mark the 1,800th anniversary of the martyrdom of Peter and Paul. Before that, the chair had not been seen since 1666 when it was first encased inside Gian Lorenzo Bernini’s monumental bronze sculpture under the stained-glass Dove of the Holy Spirit window at the basilica’s apse.

Here we have Bergoglio "venerating" (threatening to overturn?) the relic of the Chair of St. Peter during the closing "Mass" for the Synod on Synodality ... October 27, 2024.

Then, on the very next Feast of said Chair, he goes critical.

So, in 1666 the chair was encased in some bronze sculpture beneath the stained-glass window of the Holy Ghost appearing as the Dove. Bergoglio somehow pulled it out of there. Was that his attempt to detach the Chair of Peter from the (protection of) the Holy Ghost?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #111 on:** February 23, 2025, 04:00:03 PM »

I keep thinking of this prophecy, from Blessed Tomasuccio of Foligno:

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By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.

So, what happened about 12 years past the millennium? Ratzinger stepped down in early 2013, i.e. after 12 years had passed, yielding to Bergoglio. Strangely, Bergoglio has led to a lot of people waking up regarding the "schism" and this hiding in the shadows of the "mantle of legitimate power", where it had been placed by the schism. Sounds very much like the eclipse of the Church foretold by Our Lady of LaSalette. Could it be that we get that "worthy Shepherd" after Bergoglio passes away?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #112 on:** February 23, 2025, 04:17:15 PM »

So this was the first press conference given by Bergoglio's doctors on February 21st at 5:30 PM Rome time.
https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2025/02/21/pope-francis-pneumonia-danger-249977

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"Pope Francis is well but is not out of danger yet” and will have to remain in the hospital “at least all next week,” two of his doctors said at a press briefing at Rome’s Gemelli Hospital at 5:30 p.m. on Friday, Feb. 21. Nevertheless, they said, “his life is not in danger right now.

So the next morning, after the doctors declare that "his life is not in danger" and that he is "well", wham, the next day he goes critical.

Geremia · « **Reply #113 on:** February 23, 2025, 08:05:15 PM »

Quote from: 23 February 2025, 19:22

Pope in hospital, condition remains critical but no new respiratory crisis

Pope Francis is alert and oxygen is still being administered. His blood values are improving thanks to transfusions. There is an initial slight renal insufficiency. He attended Mass today.

Vatican News

The Holy See Press Office provided the following medical update on Pope Francis on Sunday evening:

The condition of the Holy Father remains critical, but since yesterday evening, he has not experienced any further respiratory crises.

He received two units of concentrated red blood cells with beneficial effects, and his hemoglobin levels have risen.

The thrombocytopenia remains stable; however, some blood tests show early, mild renal insufficiency, which is currently under control.

High-flow oxygen therapy continues through nasal cannulas.

The Holy Father remains alert and well-oriented.

The complexity of the clinical situation and the necessary time for the pharmacological treatments to show results require that the prognosis remain guarded.

This morning, in the apartment on the tenth floor, he participated in the Holy Mass, together with those who have been taking care of him during these days of hospitalization.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #114 on:** February 23, 2025, 08:12:35 PM »

I'm questioning what the Italians mean by critical condition if he's alert and attending Mass. In the US we might call it serious.

Angelus · « **Reply #115 on:** February 23, 2025, 08:16:17 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on February 23, 2025, 04:00:03 PM

I keep thinking of this prophecy, from Blessed Tomasuccio of Foligno:
So, what happened about 12 years past the millennium? Ratzinger stepped down in early 2013, i.e. after 12 years had passed, yielding to Bergoglio. Strangely, Bergoglio has led to a lot of people waking up regarding the "schism" and this hiding in the shadows of the "mantle of legitimate power", where it had been placed by the schism. Sounds very much like the eclipse of the Church foretold by Our Lady of LaSalette. Could it be that we get that "worthy Shepherd" after Bergoglio passes away?

Although we are in basic agreement about "the worthy shepherd" being revealed in the near future, I want to caution you about the translation/interpretation of the prophecy as it is commonly seen.

If you read the original Italian poem by Bl. Tomasuccio of Foligno, you will see that the text commonly quoted on the internet is an embellished interpretation of the orginal poem.

Here is the embellished internet version:

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By about twelve years shall the millennium have passed when the resplendent mantle of legitimate power shall emerge from the shadows where it was being kept by the schism. And beyond harm from the one who is blocking the door of salvation, for his deceitful schism shall have come to an end. And the mass of the faithful shall attach itself to the worthy Shepherd, who shall extricate each one from error and restore to the Church its beauty. He shall renew it.

Here is the actual text of the poem, with critical notes from scholars who have examined the different extant manuscripts. Most importantly, there are discrepancies in the manuscripts regarding the first two lines of quatrain 106 (see the scholarly notes at the bottom of page 173 for details).

Tomasuccio de Foligno
The Worth Shepherd Prophecy

https://ia600206.us.archive.org/35/items/ProfezieDelBeatoTomasuccio/ProfezieDelBeatoTomasuccio.pdf

(Excerpt begins on page 173 of the PDF)

Italian

106
Duj sopra dece
Pocho passara el milleno
Che quello manto sereno
Sera fore de tua ombra

107
et quello che te jnombra
de salute la porta
ne sera poj morta
la sua falcza simsma

108
leuarasse la crisma
per vno digno pastore
Trara ognj herrore
Et sera la chiesya bella.

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English (Google Translate)

106
Two more than ten
A millennium will soon pass
That that serene cloak
Will be outside of your shadow

107
And that one who shadows you
Will bring you salvation
Will then die
His sickle will be the same

108
He will take the chrism
For a worthy shepherd
He will draw out every miracle
And the church will be beautiful.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #116 on:** February 23, 2025, 08:42:51 PM »

Sense seems close enough to me ... once you look past the horrible Google translation.

AMDGJMJ · « **Reply #117 on:** February 24, 2025, 01:40:48 PM »

Pope Francis has under 72 hours to live: latest reports - LifeSite https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-has-under-72-hours-to-live-latest-reports/

Ladislaus · « **Reply #118 on:** February 24, 2025, 03:10:55 PM »

Thank you, but the link above is broken ...

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-has-under-72-hours-to-live-latest-reports/

This provides confirmation for the video report of his having gone into "palliative care" posted here yesterday.

I woke up around 12:45 AM last night feeling the need to pray for him ... first thought that came to me when I woke up.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #119 on:** February 24, 2025, 03:38:01 PM »

So you might notice that "Cardinal" Parolin seems to be putting himself out there front and center, undoubtedly auditioning and rehearsing for the next "leadership" role. He's clearly posturing to be the next Pope, leading a Rosary (surprised he knows how to say it). "Cardinal" Zen excoriated the man and felt he was a hidden hand puppet-controlling Bergoglio. If that guy gets elected, the Antichrist will be revealed shortly thereafter, and perhaps that's what Trump meant by all this talk of the "Golden Age" (of Blavatsky).

Maybe he just said, "I believe ..." and then said "take it away", in the spirit of collegiality, while nevertheless attempting to take the visible leading role.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/vatican-city/news/2025-02/cardinal-parolin-to-lead-rosary-for-pope-s-h-st-peters-square.html

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