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Offline SimpleMan

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Re: Pope has double pneumonia
« Reply #75 on: February 22, 2025, 02:51:11 PM »
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  • Weak non-judgmental and non-punishmental attitudes like this is the reason the Church and the rest of the world is in the current state it is in.
    Please explain how it is consonant with Catholic teaching positively to wish, and to take delectation in the thought, that someone will burn in hell for all eternity.

    We can legitimately recognize that just punishment falls upon those who die in mortal sin, but that is a far cry from hoping that it happens.  I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #76 on: February 22, 2025, 04:55:00 PM »
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  • Please explain how it is consonant with Catholic teaching positively to wish, and to take delectation in the thought, that someone will burn in hell for all eternity.

    We can legitimately recognize that just punishment falls upon those who die in mortal sin, but that is a far cry from hoping that it happens.  I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

    It isn't but he's going to keep doubling down.


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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #77 on: February 22, 2025, 05:21:47 PM »
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  • Humanly speaking we are doomed.  I stand to be corrected, but all of the cardinals are right along with the New Mass; and they all probably believe that the Catholic Church is not necessary for salvation.  Hoorah for the Anonymous Christian of Ratzinger et alia.   If a conclave coincides with a war, then things get interesting. 
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #78 on: February 22, 2025, 05:40:24 PM »
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  • Yes, he needs to convert. No Catholic should relish the thought of any unrepentant sinner about to enter Hell -- I know Christ doesn't.

    But no man lives forever. So that leaves conversion as the only option for him.

    But I sure wouldn't want "destruction of the Church with my own hands, as much as laid within my power" on my soul at my Particular Judgment.
    He doesn't believe he's destroying the church, which he can't, he believes he's right and that's it, and we're viscious mean old trads. He will deal with that in the immediate judgment. Like all of us.

    " It is a fearful thing, to fall into the hands of the living God"- Hebrews 10:31

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #79 on: February 22, 2025, 08:40:09 PM »
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  • Ezekiel 18:23 --
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    23 Is it my will that a sinner should die, saith the Lord God, and not that he should be converted from his ways, and live?

    Isaiah 55:7-8 --
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    7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unjust man his thoughts, and let him return to the Lord, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God: for he is bountiful to forgive.  8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

    St. Mary of Egypt to St. Zosimus, quoting Ezekiel 18:23 --
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    But I think God was seeking my repentance. For He does not desire the death of a sinner but magnanimously awaits his return to Him.



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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #80 on: February 22, 2025, 08:48:39 PM »
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  • Humanly speaking we are doomed.  I stand to be corrected, but all of the cardinals are right along with the New Mass; and they all probably believe that the Catholic Church is not necessary for salvation.  Hoorah for the Anonymous Christian of Ratzinger et alia.  If a conclave coincides with a war, then things get interesting.

    Sadly, nearly all the Trad clergy believe that non-Catholics can be saved, and therefore unwittingly hold the same errors that are taught by Vatican II.  NO ONE has ever refuted this syllogism, or even attempted to do so.  Why?  Because there is no refutation.

    MAJOR:  There is no salvation outside the Church.  DOGMA
    MINOR:  Heretics, schismatics, Jews, Muslims, infidels, and pagans can be saved.  [Held by nearly all Trad clergy and the majority of Trad faithful]
    CONCLUSION:  Heretics, schismatics, Jews, Muslims, infidels, and pagans can be within the Church.

    That CONCLUSION above is in fact the ecclesiology of Vatican II, a Church which includes not only actual Catholics but also all manner of heretic, schismatic, and infidel ... which ecclesiology most Trads answer is the chief heresy in Vatican II.  If I came to believe the MINOR, I would have to drop all objections to the Vatican II ecclesiology expressed in the CONCLUSION.  Even Religious Liberty follows from the New Soteriology.  If we please God and save our souls by following our (even erroneous) consciences, then, since we have a right to please God and to save our souls, we have a right to follow our (even erroneous) consciences.  Once you subjectivize soteriology, the V2 ecclesiology is simply the logical conclusion.  Perhaps the one error that cannot be traced back to this is collegiality, but there is a certain sense in which collegiality is true (it's just a different emphasis and highly amenable to the hermeneutic of continuity), and if that's all you had, it would be extremely weak.  Now, the NOM would be a separate matter, but Vatican II itself would be "off the hook".  Oh, ironically, the only citation V2 has in support of its ecclesiology (proving that the ecclesiology derives from the new soteriology) is to "Suprema Fake".

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #81 on: February 23, 2025, 06:49:30 AM »
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  • Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last night ... but official sources don't indicate this.  I believe there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #82 on: February 23, 2025, 07:36:48 AM »
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  • Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last night ... but official sources don't indicate this.  I believe there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.

    I would take this cuм grano salis until there is official confirmation.


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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #83 on: February 23, 2025, 08:55:21 AM »
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  • Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last night ... but official sources don't indicate this.  I believe there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.

    Wow, that is interesting and very possible.

    Suppose its time to discuss if we get a Pope Francis II.

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #84 on: February 23, 2025, 10:06:08 AM »
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  • there's strong evidence that Wojtyla died a couple days earlier than announced.
    That's always the case for VIPs' deaths, that they're announced a few days after their actual death.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #85 on: February 23, 2025, 10:06:42 AM »
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  • Rumors on X that hospital staff leaked that Bergoglio died last night
    It's possible. He did have a blood transfusion.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #86 on: February 23, 2025, 11:08:06 AM »
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  • That's always the case for VIPs' deaths, that they're announced a few days after their actual death.

    True.  Could also be just people making things up for clickbait.  Sadly, 50-50 at this point.  Now, the other official story does seem "off".  On the one hand they say he's in "critical" condition but then this morning claim he "had a peaceful night" ... unless they mean something altogether different by "critical" than we do in the US, where that term means that you could go at any moment.

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #87 on: February 23, 2025, 11:11:06 AM »
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  • I would take this cuм grano salis until there is official confirmation.

    Sadly, I have as little confidence in any "official" story as I do about a random X post.  Both lie like it's going out of style, the officials doing damage control and others trying to get clicks on X.  Shameful.  As mentioned above, unless they mean something different in Europe by "critical", they're definitely minimizing the situation.

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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #88 on: February 23, 2025, 11:58:08 AM »
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  • That's always the case for VIPs' deaths, that they're announced a few days after their actual death.

    What's great though, is you can't fool God or reality. You could have the most powerful propaganda machine under your thumb, 100% control of all media -- and yet when you die, you appear before God AT THAT MOMENT, not when you have your lackeys announce the news.

    Think of all the powerful people in the world, who own/control banking, media, and the academic world. But there are some things even they can't control.

    Kind of like a man who is always late -- well, he will be on time for one thing: his own death.

    God and reality always win.
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    Re: Pope has double pneumonia
    « Reply #89 on: February 23, 2025, 01:09:04 PM »
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  • I've read a couple doctors' commentaries on what's going on, and I'm convinced that Bergoglio is on the way out.

    Latest is that his kidneys are starting to fail, which is consistent with his having gone septic (together with the need for a tranfusion).  Older people do not recover easily from sepsis and kindey failure.  So, the one thing I noticed is that in pictures of him from just before he was taken to hospital, he looked very swollen, not just fat, but naturally swollen due to water retention, and that also speaks to kidney failure.  That swelling might also speak to congestive heart failure (which eventually took the life of my father).

    I don't think it's run of the mill "bronchitis" like they started with, since when he was speaking a little right at the end, he didn't SOUND like typical bronchitis would have him sound, where you'd expect enough irritation to elicit a cough, and there was no cough.

    Given everything happening, along with some reports of clotting as well, I wouldn't be surprised if he's being victimized by the jab.  Perhaps the jab was causing the clotting, as well as kidney problems and fluid retention, and ADE could be leading to his "polymicrobial" infection, which, from what I understand, comes from your immune system shutting down.

    Clotting can cause heart damage and lead to congestive heart failure (which leads to fluid retention, swelling ... like we've seen on Bergoglio for some time), and then the polymicrobial infection sounds like ADE, immune system shutdown.  Putting it all together, he may be dying from the jab that he pushed.