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Offline Peter15and1

Order of the Sacraments
« on: October 26, 2018, 07:34:10 AM »
Does anyone know what, traditionally speaking, is the proper order of the Sacraments for an adult catechumen?  It would seem to me that they would be baptized, and then be immediately able to receive the Eucharist, with Confirmation coming later, and Confession when necessary, following baptism.

However, in the NO, it is my understanding that catechumens typically make their first Confession prior to baptism, and then they are baptized, confirmed, and receive the Eucharist all at once.
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Online Mithrandylan

Re: Order of the Sacraments
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2018, 09:13:45 AM »
Do you have evidence of that?
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Baptism always comes first, as it is the gateway to all other sacraments; the baptismal character imprints the character of Christ the Eternal priest, which alone allows and entitles one to participate in the Church's sacramental life.  Moreover, the Church passes judgment on the penitent in confession, but she has no jurisdiction over the unbaptized, so...
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Offline Peter15and1

Re: Order of the Sacraments
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2018, 10:12:37 AM »
Just what an acquaintance told me.  He entered the NO church a few years ago.  According to him, they started having classes around September, and then in March, a few weeks before Easter, the NO priest who was teaching the class had each person in the class make their first Confession.  Following this, at the Easter Vigil, they were each baptized, confirmed (by the NO priest), and received Communion.
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Online Mithrandylan

Re: Order of the Sacraments
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2018, 10:41:54 AM »
Quote from: Peter15and1 on October 26, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Just what an acquaintance told me.  He entered the NO church a few years ago.  According to him, they started having classes around September, and then in March, a few weeks before Easter, the NO priest who was teaching the class had each person in the class make their first Confession.  Following this, at the Easter Vigil, they were each baptized, confirmed (by the NO priest), and received Communion.
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Well if he really wasn't baptized then that was a gross abuse.  If he was a Protestant whose baptism was certainly valid, though, it would have been quite different.  If he was an unbaptized or doubtfully baptized convert, though, the confession-before-baptism unfortunately meant nothing.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Order of the Sacraments
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2018, 11:38:03 AM »
Quote from: Peter15and1 on October 26, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
Just what an acquaintance told me.  He entered the NO church a few years ago.  According to him, they started having classes around September, and then in March, a few weeks before Easter, the NO priest who was teaching the class had each person in the class make their first Confession.  Following this, at the Easter Vigil, they were each baptized, confirmed (by the NO priest), and received Communion.

Well, the only scenario in which I could see this even possibly making sense is if there's DOUBT about the validity of his Baptism.  In that case, in the event that it actually WAS valid, the conditional Baptism would be of no avail toward the remission of sins, and Confession would have been required.  Except that I've never heard of a conditional Confession.  Nor should a Confession be heard until someone has entered the Church.  So the proper order would be conditional Baptism, Confession that included all sins even before Baptism, Confirmation, and Holy Communion.  Except in the Novus Ordo they like to be dramatic, so stopping their festivities to have someone make a Confession right after Baptism would ruin the party.
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