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Offline Stubborn

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Re: If Benedict is still Pope...
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2022, 09:23:14 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 13, 2022, 09:10:11 AM
You can't just blame that on sedeism when it's present among the non-sede traditionalist groups as well. The split caused by ecclesia Dei, the emergence of the Resistance under Bp. Williamson, are two major examples that have nothing to do with "sedeism" as you call it.

If sedeism didn't exist, the disunity would still exist without the presence of a functional Head.
Yes, as I said...."That's not to say that there could be other ideas straying from the faith to cause disunity among the faithful - who knows?"

I am not talking about ED or FSSP etc., a false sense of obedience is a main reason they are where they are. I am more talking about the +Sanborns/+Kellys/+Dolans and on and on from the original trad groups of the early 70s.
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Offline Deipara

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2022, 09:38:06 AM »
Sedevacantism, in any of it's plethora of varieties, is just an easy escape from the deep spiritual problems facing us. Archbishop Lefebvre didn't take the easy way out and throw up his hands and pronounce there was no pope. He toughed it out under evil popes. He shepherded souls despite evil popes. 

Our Lord 'toughed it out' under evil High Priests and evil civil Rulers. 

Sedevacantism is an error born out of Vatican II, an extreme opposite reaction, though one for which I think we all have sympathy for. But it's not grounded in Tradition. Therefore it must be shunned. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2022, 09:44:16 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 13, 2022, 09:10:11 AM
You can't just blame that on sedeism when it's present among the non-sede traditionalist groups as well. The split caused by ecclesia Dei, the emergence of the Resistance under Bp. Williamson, are two major examples that have nothing to do with "sedeism" as you call it.

If sedeism didn't exist, the disunity would still exist without the presence of a functional Head.

THIS ^^^
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2022, 09:45:28 AM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on January 13, 2022, 07:51:15 AM
Or, at best, like the EO or Novus Ordo: a collective of national "churches" or synods with a variety of doctrines.

The fact that the point of unity among Catholic traditionalists resides on the last orthodox Pope, Pius XII, rather than John 23 or Paul 6 or John Paul 2, should tell us all we need to know about there being a visible Head.

True.  EO, etc. at least still consider Apostolic succession to be a form of unity, so they at least have that.  But even amog the EO there are myriad splinter groups, "Autocephalous" they all themselves.
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Offline DecemRationis

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« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2022, 10:10:42 AM »
I have my issues with Sedevacantism, but not when it comes to rejection of the false popes of the Conciliar Church. Once a pope espouses and teaches a heresy, he ceases to be pope de jure; he remains in the seat until removed; that's simply a fact, of course (he's sitting there). But his authority is gone, and he has no claim to obedience. He becomes anathema by virtue of his denial of the "doctrine of Christ" and promotion of an "anti-gospel."

Biblically supported: Galatians 1:8,9; 3 John 9-11.

Magisterially supported:  Paul IV, cuŠ¼ ex Apostolatus Officio.

Sedes aren't the cause of disunity. The excommunication of Archbishop Lefebvre had nothing to do with Sedevacantism: they want their schism, and they want you to eat it too. 
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