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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: If Benedict is still Pope...
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2022, 10:13:34 AM »

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The question was also raised by a Cardinal, “What is to be done with the Pope if he becomes a heretic?” It was answered that there has never been such a case; the Council of Bishops could depose him for heresy, for from the moment he becomes a heretic he is not the head or even a member of the Church. The Church would not be, for a moment, obliged to listen to him when he begins to teach a doctrine the Church knows to be a false doctrine, and he would cease to be Pope, being deposed by God Himself.

If the Pope, for instance, were to say that the belief in God is false, you would not be obliged to believe him, or if he were to deny the rest of the creed, “I believe in Christ,” etc. The supposition is injurious to the Holy Father in the very idea, but serves to show you the fullness with which the subject has been considered and the ample thought given to every possibility. If he denies any dogma of the Church held by every true believer, he is no more Pope than either you or I; and so in this respect the dogma of infallibility amounts to nothing as an article of temporal government or cover for heresy.

(Abp. John B. Purcell, quoted in Rev. James J. McGovern, Life and Life Work of Pope Leo XIII [Chicago, IL: Allied Printing, 1903], p. 241)




https://novusordowatch.org/2015/04/vatican-i-popes-follow-up/

If that quote is accurate as to a discussion at Vatican I, it pretty much says it all. 

Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2022, 10:49:55 AM »
I have my issues with Sedevacantism, but not when it comes to rejection of the false popes of the Conciliar Church. Once a pope espouses and teaches a heresy, he ceases to be pope de jure; he remains in the seat until removed; that's simply a fact, of course (he's sitting there). But his authority is gone, and he has no claim to obedience. He becomes anathema by virtue of his denial of the "doctrine of Christ" and promotion of an "anti-gospel."

Not a fact, rather that's actually a theological opinion and nothing more.



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The question was also raised by a Cardinal, “What is to be done with the Pope if he becomes a heretic?” It was answered that there has never been such a case; the Council of Bishops could depose him for heresy, for from the moment he becomes a heretic he is not the head or even a member of the Church. The Church would not be, for a moment, obliged to listen to him when he begins to teach a doctrine the Church knows to be a false doctrine, and he would cease to be Pope, being deposed by God Himself....


....If that quote is accurate as to a discussion at Vatican I, it pretty much says it all.

"What is to be done with the Pope if he becomes a heretic?” It was answered that..."
 
It was answered.....by whom?

Vatican One states that: "they stray from the genuine path of truth who maintain that it is lawful to appeal from the judgments of the Roman pontiffs to an ecuмenical council as if this were an authority superior to the Roman pontiff."

Which is to say no one or no council can judge the pope, not even judge the pope to be a heretic, let alone depose him - V1 states the above quoted opinion is wrong because it "strays from the genuine path of truth...." Does it not?

Again, aside from disunity, what does sedeism actually accomplish?


Re: If Benedict is still Pope...
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2022, 07:44:59 PM »
What if they were a public heretic before they were elected.

Can a non-Catholic be elected pope?


Re: If Benedict is still Pope...
« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2022, 08:01:38 PM »
What if they were a public heretic before they were elected.

Can a non-Catholic be elected pope?
No. But then it will be said that the Church never formally made a declaration on so-and-so, therefore, somehow a heretic (i.e. non-Catholic) can magically be a Pope.

Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2022, 05:20:23 AM »
What if they were a public heretic before they were elected.

Can a non-Catholic be elected pope?
Since heretics can elect a pope, there is nothing to stop a heretic from being elected pope.

Any Catholic guilty of the sin of heresy, if they want to repent, only need to walk into the confessional, confess their sin and receive absolution like any other Catholic. This sacrament is available only to Catholics.

Pope Pius XII's Vacantis Apostolicae Sedis:
"No Cardinal can in any way be excluded from the active and passive election of the Supreme Pontiff on the pretext or by reason of any excommunication, suspension, interdict, or other ecclesiastical impediment whatsoever; We, in fact, suspend these censures only for the  effect of an election of this sort; they will remain in their own force in other circuмstances."