Angelus,

There is much agreement between us. I think we agree on the broad outline. As to the "refining," we certainly agree:


I'll comment more on your specific view and some differences when I have some more time to get into that "heavy" matter.

But let me ask you, do you believe Francis to be the Antichrist? I don't want to take issue with that - I might even agree with it - but because I find it relevant to the issue of the timeline, the 1290 days of Daniel, etc. and whether it's literal.

I believe many who think the 1290 literal also believe the Antichrist's reign to be commensurate with it, also a period of literally 1260 days or "time and times and a half" elsewhere mentioned. So they think the cessation of the sacrifice and the period of the Antichrist to be the same or very similar literal periods.

I take it you would not believe the time period of the reign of Antichrist to be 3 and 1/2 years. Bergolio's reign has been longer. You probably just view the cessation of the sacrifice to be for that period.

Maybe I'll get into that in more detail when I have time.

Thanks,

DR

Yes, I am morally certain that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the Antichrist prophesied in Sacred Scripture and discussed by all the Fathers and Doctors of the Church. However, there is a riddle to be discussed.

No, I do not believe that the "reign of the Antichrist" will be longer than 3.5 years. And the essence of the riddle is discussed in 2 Thessalonians 2 relative to the "katechon" (restrainer) and "operation of error." The Antichrist has been hiding in plain sight, but he has not been "reigning" during that entire time.

1. WHO HE IS: The Antichrist is a deceiver. He is the False Prophet. He doesn't come out and tell everyone, "Hey, I'm the Antichrist." As Apocalypse 13:11 says, "he had two horns [a bishop's mitre] like a lamb [dressed in papal white] and spoke like a dragon [possessed by Satan]." Most nominal Catholics think Bergoglio is the Vicar of Christ but he's actually the Antichrist. People who follow that man are under the spell of "the operation of error" at the moment. Eventually that "spell" will be broken and they will see the truth.

2. WHEN HIS REIGN BEGINS: I think 2 Thessalonians 2:7's discussion of the katechon (the restrainer) is related to when his "reign" starts in God's eyes. I think the beginning of his "reign" is most likely after BXVI's death, meaning that BXVI was the katechon. Although it could be that his "reign" starts after the abomination of desolation is "set up," meaning when the TLM is officially abrogated, in which case the traditional Mass is the katechon. I don't know for sure.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-7

 And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way.

Matthew 24:15 When therefore you shall see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place: he that readeth let him understand. 16 Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains

It should be apparent by now that I do not believe the 1290 days - or 1260 days, etc. - involved in prophecy to be literal. I think the clock for the non-literal period - of course it is a period of time, a discernible and identified block of time set off from the rest of time - begins to run when the "katechon" is removed:


With Cardinal Manning, I would call this Christendom, the Church with its head (the pope) in power over the spiritual condition of mankind. When this is "taken out of the way," i.e., the Church loses that power and authority (which of course requires the loss of the pope), as  I said, the clock begins running.

I see that as having happened after Vatican II, though hard to pinpoint. Since I don't think the period is literal, a precise counting is not necessary: it's a block of time near the end. There are numerous markers - the Novus Ordo institution, the change of the NO's vernacular celebration to abandoning the "pro multis" and replacing with "for all," the rejection of the necessity of explicit faith in Christ in JPII's catechism, Redemptoris Missio, Assisi, most recently pachamama in St. Peter's - a cuмulation of signs that is overwhelming IMO. The end period has been triggered, I think clearly. Perhaps God gives us a cuмulation so that, for each of us and suited to each of us, one of these things can be for each of us respectively what causes "sight" -


We've had Catholics "fleeing" at some of the above-referenced events for decades now, "coming out" of the Whore (Apocalypse 18:4) for decades. Which is why, again, I don't think this is a literal 1290 day period.

Thanks for the discussion, Angelus. I'll come back with more later - do the same. 

7 After this I beheld in the vision of the night, and lo, a fourth beast, terrible and wonderful, and exceeding strong, it had great iron teeth, eating and breaking in pieces, and treading down the rest with its feet: and it was unlike to the other beasts which I had seen before it, and had ten horns.  8 I considered the horns, and behold another little horn sprung out of the midst of them: and three of the first horns were plucked up at the presence thereof: and behold eyes like the eyes of a man were in this horn, and a mouth speaking great things.

7 ...I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast which carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 7 The beast, which thou sawest, was, and is not, and shall come up out of the bottomless pit, and go into destruction: and the inhabitants on the earth (whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world) shall wonder, seeing the beast that was, and is not.  9 And here is the understanding that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman sitteth, and they are seven kings:  10 Five are fallen [PXI, PXII, JXXIII, PVI, JPI], one is [JPII], and the other is not yet come [BXVI]: and when he is come, he must remain a short time.  11 And the beast which was, and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction [the son of perdition=Bergoglio].  12 And the ten horns which thou sawest, are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but shall receive power as kings one hour after the beast. 13 These have one design: and their strength and power they shall deliver to the beast.

I like the Biblical analysis here,

but I fail to see in what way Bergoglio

has deceived the elect?

Satan already has the libs in the bag.  He doesn't need to deceive them.

No, he wants to deceive the elect so he can claim the whole world for himself.

- Your trips usually display purpose, important topics to delve into, and closeness to the people, which is coherent with your idea of transformations demanding the commitment from powerful leaders but also from individualities. When we see far-right forces expanding, a feeling of frustration or disappointment toward politics and people expressing that in the ballot box, do you see these crises as momentary or long-lasting? What can be done to overturn them?

- I like the word “crisis” because it contains inner movement. Yet, the only way out from a crisis is upward, there is no easy way out. The way out is upward and never on our own. Those who intend to emerge alone from a crisis, turn the way out into a labyrinth that goes round and round. A crisis is a labyrinth. Also, a crisis makes you grow. Whether it’s a person, a family, a country or a civilization in crisis, if it is solved well, there is growth.

I’m concerned when problems turn to themselves and there seems to be no way out. We must teach young boys and girls to be able to manage a crisis. To solve a crisis. Because that instills maturity.  We were all unexperienced young people once, and sometimes young boys and girls hold onto miracles, to a messiah, to things being solved in a messianic way. There is only one Messiah who saved us all. The rest are all clowns of messianism. None of them can promise a solution to conflicts, unless it’s emerging upward from the crisis. And never on our own. Let’s think of any kind of political crisis, in a country that doesn’t know what to do, there are many in Europe. What can be done? Shall we look for a messiah to come save us? No. We must find where the conflict is and solve it. There is wisdom is the management of a crisis. But you can’t move forward without a conflict.

Sorry, but the elect can easily see that Bergoglio is NOT Catholic nor pope.

It's not rocket science.

They are also not deceived by the VII religion and easily recognize that Paul VI, JPII, and Benedict who all promoted the Freemasonic ONE World Chrislamic Religion are not Catholic and have LEFT the Church.

Those who cannot see this are deceived.

So Satan already has them in the bag.

Now he has to set his sites on those who do not believe in the ONE world religion.

This includes those who have been deceived to believe that Benedict is somehow "traditional" and "rigid" when he is just as much an apostate as Bergog.

Yes, I am morally certain that Jorge Mario Bergoglio is the Antichrist prophesied in Sacred Scripture and discussed by all the Fathers and Doctors of the Church.