Author Topic: Does NO Fulfill Sunday Obligation? (Read 2521 times)

Elizabeth · « **Reply #5 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:29:01 PM »

Those good souls who care about their Sunday obligation, may God bless them.

I would have zero qualms about missing Mass if their is no TLM, or if it is a dubious TLM. But I can most certainly sympathise. I went through that years ago, at the last minute thinking "maybe it won't be so bad". It's a doggone jungle out there, how they abuse Our Lord!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #6 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:41:48 PM »

My response:

One can thoroughly informed one's conscience in the teachings of the Pre-Conciliar Popes as well as the Saints and those eminent theologians and Prelates at the time who fought and criticized the New Rite of Mass predicting the harm the New Rite would do to souls. Even our current Pope once described it as a "banal, on the spot production".

Even Saints canonized after VCII such as St. Escriva refused to say the New Mass, obtaining a celebret to say the old.

For one steeped in the Traditions of the Church, it is quite possible to see that the New Mass would be so alien to the Catholic Faith practiced for 1960 years that one truly, in conscience, would decide to protect their Catholic faith, they could not attend. Attendance would indeed be morally impossible for them.

I ask you where you would draw the line yourselves? Is it morally permissible for you to attend a Mass with liturgical dance? Rock music? Scandalously dressed EM's? Mimes? Heretical hymns? Heretical homilies? Changing the words of the Mass? If there is any NO Mass you would not attend, you have made a moral judgment, as we all should. It just so happens that for many Traditional Catholics that line is drawn at attendance at any NO Mass. This line is drawn after much study and reflection of true Catholic theology, the NO Rite itself, the examples of Saints, and the tragic fruits the New Rite of Mass has produced in our time.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:52:08 PM »

Another of my responses:

This is not about preference it is a moral question.

To state that the NO is dangerous is not to separate oneself from the Church. Otherwise Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci and Archbishop Lefebvre before he was suspended would have been separated from the Church for even holding this opinion. They were not. There were many priests, bishops, and faithful who protested against the NO Mass. It is true the vast majority eventually went along with it out of obedience. But that in no way takes away their sincere and vehement opposition to the changes. Many Traditional Catholics sincerely share this opposition and, in good conscience, cannot attend, especially now that we have the gift of hindsight and can see the devastation that occurred after the de facto banning of the Old Rite and introduction and mandatory use of the New.

Many here would readily admit that abuse filled NO Masses that litter our nation are dangerous. Some Traditional Catholics simply go a step further and truly believe that the NO Mass itself is dangerous because if its ambiguity and Protestantization.

I don't believe I am twisting the Canons at all as they are rather broad and even go so far as to allow a Catholic to attend a schismatic non-Catholic Mass if there is "spiritual advantage" over the NO Mass. That is a very strong statement. As I also pointed out Canon Law dispenses with the Sunday obligation for grave cause. Moral impossibility is always a grave cause.

I respect your right to disagree, but I do not believe this is an un-Catholic position especially since we are all put in an unprecedented predicament as never before has there been such a crisis of faith in the Church.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #8 on:** July 22, 2009, 06:52:52 PM »

I feel like St. Paul at Athens!

Daniel · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2009, 05:20:06 AM »

As long as you resist the temptation to dress like him in public.........