Author Topic: Biblical Prophecies that forecast the Conciliar Rebellion/Apostasy (Read 3336 times)

DecemRationis · « **on:** October 29, 2023, 06:41:26 AM »

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The purpose of this thread is simply to quote and post Scriptural passages that one thinks may relate to what the Church is enduring post-Vatican II. Please just quote the Scripture without comment. It is intended that this thread be a place for members to read some Scripture and personally reflect on the passages and their relevance (or not) to the Crisis.

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DecemRationis · « **Reply #1 on:** October 29, 2023, 06:43:04 AM »

Zacharias (Zechariah) 13:7-9

7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand to the little ones. 8 And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein. 9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #2 on:** October 29, 2023, 06:51:28 AM »

Osee (Hosea) 8:4

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox Version

4

Ipsi regnaverunt, et non ex me; principes exstiterunt, et non cognovi: argentum suum et aurum suum fecerunt sibi idola, ut interirent.

4

They have reigned, but not by me: they have been princes, and I knew not: of their silver, and their gold they have made idols to themselves, that they might perish.

4

Kings a many, and with no warrant from me; princes a many, that were none of my choosing; idols a many, of their own gold and silver minted; here is cause enough for their undoing.

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Confraternity Text (1961):

Osee (Hosea) 8:4

They made kings, but not by me; they established princes, but without my approval. With their silver and gold they made idols for themselves, to their own destruction.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #3 on:** October 29, 2023, 07:14:26 AM »

Osee (Hosea) 3:4

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox Version

4

Quia dies multos sedebunt filii Israël sine rege, et sine principe, et sine sacrificio, et sine altari, et sine ephod, et sine theraphim.

4

For the children of Israel shall sit many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without altar, and without ephod, and without theraphim.

4

A long time the sons of Israel must wait, neither king nor prince to rule them, neither sacrifice nor shrine to worship at, neither sacred mantle nor their own images to consult.

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DecemRationis · « **Reply #4 on:** November 13, 2023, 09:54:25 AM »

Isaiah 22:20-25

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox

20 Et erit in die illa: vocabo servum meum Eliacim, filium Helciæ,	20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliacim the son of Helcias,	20 And when that time comes, I will summon one who is a true servant of mine, Eliacim the son of Helcias,
21 et induam illum tunica tua, et cingulo tuo confortabo eum, et potestatem tuam dabo in manu ejus; et erit quasi pater habitantibus Jerusalem et domui Juda.	21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and will strengthen him with thy girdle, and will give thy power into his hand: and he shall be as a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Juda.	21 clothe him with thy robe, gird him with thy girdle, entrust him with the power that once was thine; to rule all the citizens of Jerusalem, all Juda’s race, with a father’s care.
22 Et dabo clavem domus David super humerum ejus; et aperiet, et non erit qui claudat; et claudet, et non erit qui aperiat.	22 And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open.	22 I will give him the key of David’s house to bear upon his shoulders; none may shut when he opens, none open when he shuts.
23 Et figam illum paxillum in loco fideli, et erit in solium gloriæ domui patris ejus.	23 And I will fasten him as a peg in a sure place, and he shall be for a throne of glory to the house of his father.	23 I will fix him securely in his place, like a peg that is to carry all the royal honour of his father’s house;
24 Et suspendent super eum omnem gloriam domus patris ejus; vasorum diversa genera, omne vas parvulum, a vasis craterarum usque ad omne vas musicorum.	24 And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father’s house, divers kinds of vessels, every little vessel, from the vessels of cups even to every instrument of music.	24 all the honour of his father’s house will rest upon him, as a man’s goods rest on a peg, the smaller of them, here a cooking-pan, there an instrument of music.
25 In die illa, dicit Dominus exercituum, auferetur paxillus qui fixus fuerat in loco fideli, et frangetur, et cadet, et peribit quod pependerat in eo, quia Dominus locutus est.	25 In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall the peg be removed, that was fastened in the sure place: and it shall be broken and shall fall: and that which hung thereon, shall perish, because the Lord hath spoken it.	25 A day is coming, says the Lord of hosts, when the peg that was once securely fixed will be dislodged from its place; suddenly it must break and fall, and all that hung from it be ruined; the Lord decrees it.

https://catholicbible.online/side_by_side/OT/Isa/ch_22

Persto · « **Reply #5 on:** November 14, 2023, 02:07:28 PM »

From the Douay-Rheims:

Daniel 11:30
30 And the galleys and the Romans shall come upon him, and he shall be struck, and shall return, and shall have indignation against the convenant of the sanctuary, and he shall succeed: and he shall return and shall devise against them that have forsaken the covenant of the sanctuary.
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall defile the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the continual sacrifice, and they shall place there the abomination unto desolation.
32 And such as deal wickedly against the covenant shall deceitfully
dissemble: but the people that know their God shall prevail and
succeed.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #6 on:** November 14, 2023, 04:51:25 PM »

Daniel 7:25-26

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox

25 Et sermones contra Excelsum loquetur, et sanctos Altissimi conteret: et putabit quod possit mutare tempora, et leges: et tradentur in manu ejus usque ad tempus, et tempora, et dimidium temporis.	25 And he shall speak words against the High One, and shall crush the saints of the most High: and he shall think himself able to change times and laws, and they shall be delivered into his hand until a time, and times, and half a time.	25 Boastfully he shall challenge the most High, and do his servants despite; calendar and ordinance he shall think to set aside; for a space of time, and for twice as long, and for half as long, he must needs have his way.
26 Et judicium sedebit, ut auferatur potentia, et conteratur, et dispereat usque in finem.	26 And a judgment shall sit, that his power may be taken away, and be broken in pieces, and perish even to the end.	26 Then assize shall be held on him, and all his power be taken away, crushed down and forgotten for ever

https://catholicbible.online/side_by_side/OT/Dan/ch_7

Commentary of St. Jerome on Daniel 7:25

". . .And he shall crush the saints of the Most High, and will suppose himself to be able to alter times and laws." The Antichrist will wage war against the saints and will overcome them; and he shall exalt himself to such a height of arrogance (A) as to attempt changing the very laws of God and the sacred rites as well. He will also lift himself up against all that is called God, subjecting all religion to his own authority.

tertullian.org

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/msg743306/#msg743306

Persto · « **Reply #7 on:** November 14, 2023, 07:38:51 PM »

Douay-Rheims
Daniel 12:10

10: Many shall be chosen, and made white, and shall be tried as
fire, and the wicked shall deal wickedly, and none of the wicked
shall understand, but the learned shall understand.
11: And from the time when the continual sacrifice shall be taken
away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, there
shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.
12: Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh unto a thousand three
hundred thirty-five days.
13: But go thou thy ways until the time appointed and thou shall
rest, and stand in thy lot unto the end of days.

Geremia · « **Reply #8 on:** November 14, 2023, 07:57:49 PM »

Card. Manning:

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We have here [2 Thessalonians 2:3-11] a prophecy … of a [spiritual*] revolt, which shall precede the second coming of our Lord … The authority, then, from which the revolt is to take place is that of the kingdom of God on earth, prophesied by Daniel [cf. Daniel 2] as the kingdom which the God of heaven should set up … in other words, the one and universal Church, founded by our Divine Lord, and spread by His Apostles throughout the world. In this one only kingdom was deposited the true and supernatural pure theism, or knowledge of God, and the true and only faith of God incarnate, with the doctrines and laws of grace. This, then, is the authority from which the revolt is to be made, be that revolt what it may.
[*"St. Jerome, with some others, interprets this revolt to be the rebellion of the nations or provinces against the Roman Empire. … They have revolted, and no manifestation has appeared." Thus, the revolt is spiritual, not temporal.]

{Lect. 1 of Temporal Power of the Vicar of Christ's 2nd part (4 lectures), "The Perpetual Conflict of the Vicar of Christ", pp. 81-173}

DecemRationis · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2023, 06:38:22 AM »

Zacharias (Zechariah) 10:2-3

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox

2 Petite a Domino pluviam in tempore serotino, et Dominus faciet nives: et pluviam imbris dabit eis, singulis herbam in agro.	2 For the idols have spoken what was unprofitable, and the diviners have seen a lie, and the dreamers have spoken vanity: they comforted in vain: therefore they were led away as a flock: they shall be afflicted, because they have no shepherd.	2 Vain the false god’s foretelling, vainly diviner cheats us, and dreams delude; comfort they have none to give; such ways Israel has followed, like a flock of sheep untended, and to its cost.
3 Quia simulacra locuta sunt inutile, et divini viderunt mendacium: et somniatores locuti sunt frustra, vane consolabantur: idcirco abducti sunt quasi grex: affligentur, quia non est eis pastor.	3 My wrath is kindled against the shepherds, and I will visit upon the buck goats: for the Lord of hosts hath visited his flock, the house of Juda, and hath made them as the horse of his glory in the battle.	3 What marvel if my anger blazed out against the shepherds? A reckoning I must have with yonder buck-goats; ay, the Lord of hosts would keep strict count of his flock, the sons of Juda.Who but Israel is the proud charger I will ride into battle?

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Stubborn · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2023, 06:44:02 AM »

Jeremias 23:
1 Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord.
2 Therefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel to the pastors that feed my people: You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you for the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.
3 And I will gather together the remnant of my flock, out of all the lands into which I have cast them out: and I will make them return to their own fields, and they shall increase and be multiplied.
4 And I will set up pastors over them, and they shall feed them: they shall fear no more, and they shall not be dismayed: and none shall be wanting of their number, saith the Lord.

Persto · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2023, 12:10:57 PM »

Daniel 8:11-14

11: And it was magnified even to the prince of the strength: and it
took away from him the continual sacrifice, and cast down the place
of his sanctuary.
12: And strength was given him against the continual sacrifice,
because of sins: and truth shall be cast down on the ground, and he
shall do and shall prosper.
13: And I heard one of the saints speaking, and one saint said to
another, I know not to whom that was speaking: How long shall be
the vision, concerning the continual sacrifice, and the sin of the
desolation that is made: and the sanctuary, and the strength be
trodden under foot?
14: And he said to him: Unto evening and morning two thousand
three hundred days: and the sanctuary shall be cleansed.

Persto · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2023, 02:44:25 PM »

Daniel 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant with many in one week: and in the
half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fail: and there shall
be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and the desolation
shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #13 on:** November 18, 2023, 06:43:15 AM »

Zacharias 11:15-17

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox

15 Et præcidi virgam meam secundam, quæ appellabatur Funiculus, ut dissolverem germanitatem inter Judam et Israël.	15 And the Lord said to me: Take to thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.	15 And the Lord said, Gear of a foolish shepherd thou must take to thee now.
16 Et dixit Dominus ad me: Adhuc sume tibi vasa pastoris stulti.	16 For behold I will raise up a shepherd in the land, who shall not visit what is forsaken, nor seek what is scattered, nor heal what is broken, nor nourish that which standeth, and he shall eat the flesh of the fat ones, and break their hoofs.	16 See if I do not find me such a shepherd for this land of theirs, as will leave lost sheep uncounted, strayed sheep unsought, hurt sheep unhealed; and such as are left whole, feed he will not, but eat ever the fattest of them, tearing only the hoofs away.
17 Quia ecce ego suscitabo pastorem in terra, qui derelicta non visitabit, dispersum non quæret, et contritum non sanabit, et id quod stat non enutriet, et carnes pinguium comedet, et ungulas eorum dissolvet.	17 O shepherd, and idol, that forsaketh the flock: the sword upon his arm and upon his right eye: his arm shall quite wither away, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.	17 Out upon the false shepherd that abandons his flock! Sword shall pierce the arm of him, and the right eye of him, till arm is withered and eye darkened quite

Annotation of v. 16 in Original Douay (1610) translation: "Antichrist a destroyer"

DecemRationis · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2023, 07:04:49 AM »

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox

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Ne quis vos seducat ullo modo: quoniam nisi venerit discessio primum, et revelatus fuerit homo peccati filius perditionis,

3
Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

3
Do not let anyone find the means of leading you astray. The apostasy must come first; the champion of wickedness must appear first, destined to inherit perdition.

Acts 21:21

Vulgate Douay Rheims Knox

21
Audierunt autem de te quia discessionem doceas a Moyse eorum qui per gentes sunt Judæorum, dicens non debere eos circuмcidere filios suos, neque secundum consuetudinem ingredi.

21
Now they have heard of thee that thou teachest those Jews, who are among the Gentiles, to depart from Moses: saying, that they ought not to circuмcise their children, nor walk according to the custom.

21
And this is what has come to their ears about thee; that thou dost teach the Jews in Gentile parts to break away from the law of Moses, telling them not to circuмcise their children, and not to follow the tradition.

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