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What were the Winona years at STAS like in terms of any formal instruction or lack thereof concerning geocentrism vs. heliocentrism, or was the topic largely ignored or met with a degree of indifferentism?

Also, same inquiry as above with respect to globe earth vs. flat earth.

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  • I were there in the late 1980s - early 1990s, and the subject never came up (over the course of about 3 years or so).


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  • I were there in the late 1980s - early 1990s, and the subject never came up (over the course of about 3 years or so).

    That said, any idea why the subject never came up?  Any idea if there was any sort of unspoken (openly) consensus about these matters?

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  • At today's STAS here you see the 3rd year's curriculum.  As you can see they have a course of Cosmology (combined with Psychology!)
    https://stas.org/en/seminary-curriculum-30107.

    Recognizing the influence of Fr. Paul Robinson, SSPX who promotes Big Bang and Old (as in billions of years) Earth, I can only wonder in horror about what their Cosmology course entails.


    [th]First Philosophy[/th]
    [th] [/th]
    Scripture I 2h
    Cosmology and Psychology3h
    Apologetics3h
    Logic2h
    Church History                                                                                 2h
    Latin 4h
    Liturgy II1h
    Total  17h


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  • What were the Winona years at STAS like in terms of any formal instruction or lack thereof concerning geocentrism vs. heliocentrism, or was the topic largely ignored or met with a degree of indifferentism?

    Also, same inquiry as above with respect to globe earth vs. flat earth.

    Like most honest men, I will confess to being much less aware/awake/wise/educated when I was 23 compared with my current "seasoned" age. I don't know if I even knew the truth about the Moon Landings back in 2000. I certainly didn't know about the true shape of the earth back then.

    I didn't learn about Geocentrism until the year "The Principle" came out (2014), and another film made the same year, "Galileo was Wrong". I was totally convinced of Geocentrism at that point.

    My conversion journey was roughly: 1. Creation, the Catholic Faith, Catholic dogmas  2. cօռspιʀαcιҽs are a thing, including the Jews and all their creations (Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, Illuminati, etc.).  3. The Moon landings were bogus  4. The earth is the center of the universe  5. the earth is flat

    But you have to remember -- Flat Earth became a huge topic around 2016 (?) or thereabouts. I remember a ton of discussion on the topic on CathInfo at that time.
    According to Eric Dubay, he was largely responsible for the "explosion" or renaissance of FE discussion around then. He had done a ton of research, and then suddenly "dumped" a ton of material all at once, and apparently made quite a splash, because a lot of momentum was started which continues to this day.
    Apparently, way back in the day (2016) you could even find FE videos on Youtube -- I'm talking about using the search engine, recommended videos, and such. There weren't a ton of "debunking" channels artificially boosted yet. FE videos weren't artificially kept down or shadowbanned yet! Imagine that. Talk about "the good old days". Too bad I wasn't involved in that subject back then.

    Say what you will about Eric Dubay (I sure will!) -- he is full of flaws and errors about religion for example -- but he has done some good work.
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  • That said, any idea why the subject never came up?  Any idea if there was any sort of unspoken (openly) consensus about these matters?

    I juist don't think anyone really gave it much thought ... and I presume just took the modern heliocentric / barycentric / vortexing cosmological model for granted.  I certainly did, and I didn't start giving it much thought since the subject came up here some years ago.  Nor did I think I should care very much, as it was a secular matter, so I thought, and not really a religious question.  So this was before The Principle came out, based on some posting here on CathInfo ... almost certainly by cassini.  By the time The Principle came out, in my case he was preaching to the choir already.

    As for FE, I never really heard about it much until a few years ago some "FlatEarthTrads" started posting here.  Matthew relegated them to a subforum, and that probably led to delays in my own personal awakening, but every once in a while I'd remember it was there and so poked around.  I recall thinking it was pretty dumb, but then caught myself thinking that (I introspect that way), and so I forced myself to be intellectually honest and give it a chance rather than dismiss it without examination. I think that's the problem with many people regarding many topics, where they have some ulterior motive for dismissing it, where you're pre-convinced that it's wrong or have some emotional animus against it, etc.  I refuse to do that, no matter how "crazy" someting might (at least initially) SOUND to me, since that perception could in fact be wrong, due to all the programming, and I have been "awakened" on SO MANY subjects over the years that I've come to the conclusion that if their lips are moving (or their fingers typing), they's almost certainly lying, to one degree or another.  So I said, "I'm going to honestly, and with an open mind, consider what they have to say."  Well ... took about 2 years, but they convinced me.

    I saw an interview with Dr. Sungenis before his FE book, and he made the same comment, that when Kolbe asked him to write something to refute FE, he thought that it would just be so stupid that he could do it with a tiny pamphlet over a weekend.  He admitted that these guys made some solid points that are very complicated and extremely difficult to refute, and end up having to write 100s of page and (IMO of course) failed.  Yeah, it's not just some crackpot nonsense that can be dismissed with the wave of your hand, despite how much a lot of people wish they could and then pretend they're doing but just huffing and puffing and pretending it's all crazy while refusing to actually dig into the problem with an open mind.

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  • Say what you will about Eric Dubay (I sure will!) -- he is full of flaws and errors about religion for example -- but he has done some good work.

    Yeah, to dismiss Dubay because of his aberrant religious views, which many do, is just an ad hominem distraction, a logical fallacy.  It's an easy way to discredit his message.  Just because I'm wrong about one area, that doesn't mean I'm not right about something else.  If it weren't simply a tactic employed to discredit his message, it might even smack of Jansenism, and in particular the condemned proposition of theirs that all outside the Church is sin, aka the binary of things are either all good or all evil, or that if it's bad in one respect (not being in the Church), then it's bad in all respects.