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Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
« on: October 08, 2019, 03:39:08 PM »
Our friend Dr. R.B. explains why the flat earth is so important.

https://flatearthtrads.wixsite.com/flatearthtrads/single-post/2019/10/08/Why-is-flat-earth-so-important

*If the earth is flat, atheism is dead because our environment simply cannot have randomly emerged from nothing: there has to be a Creator.

 

*If there is a Creator, that means :

-we are just creatures (and not gods) and we are grateful for our lives: we have to be grateful...

Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2019, 08:44:06 AM »
I can see why neo-pagans and heretical believers in sola scriptura might believe in flat earth, but it makes no sense for traditional Catholics to reject the traditional belief of Catholics that the earth is shaped as a sphere.  

Although spherical earth was accepted for most of the Church's history, it was never taught de fide so one might be able to make a science argument for flat earth if there were some evidence for it.  Trying to make a religious argument, however, is absurd.

The idea that Catholics believed in a flat earth at any time past the patristic period comes from anti-Catholic propaganda. It is true enough that views were split on the topic in the first centuries of the Church, but eventually a consensus emerged among Catholics that the earth is a sphere.   St. Bede, writing around 700 AD, clearly taught this and his works were spread throughout Christendom with no opposition.

As the Catholic Church sponsored university system arose, all students were taught the earth is a sphere.  Every Saint, Doctor and Pope educated this way believed the earth is a sphere.

How can people who call themselves traditional Catholics pit themselves against the beliefs of our fathers in Faith this way?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 05:07:09 PM »
I can see why neo-pagans and heretical believers in sola scriptura might believe in flat earth, but it makes no sense for traditional Catholics to reject the traditional belief of Catholics that the earth is shaped as a sphere.  

Although spherical earth was accepted for most of the Church's history, it was never taught de fide so one might be able to make a science argument for flat earth if there were some evidence for it.  Trying to make a religious argument, however, is absurd.

The idea that Catholics believed in a flat earth at any time past the patristic period comes from anti-Catholic propaganda. It is true enough that views were split on the topic in the first centuries of the Church, but eventually a consensus emerged among Catholics that the earth is a sphere.   St. Bede, writing around 700 AD, clearly taught this and his works were spread throughout Christendom with no opposition.

As the Catholic Church sponsored university system arose, all students were taught the earth is a sphere.  Every Saint, Doctor and Pope educated this way believed the earth is a sphere.

How can people who call themselves traditional Catholics pit themselves against the beliefs of our fathers in Faith this way?

But spherical earth has not been "taught" either.  Yes, it has been widely held by Catholics for many centuries, but on scientific grounds.  Just as indeed the Church has never taught flat earth, the Church has not taught spherical earth either.  You appear to be mistaking widespread belief regarding a matter of natural science with Church teaching.  Really, the farthest you can go is to say that Catholic have not considered spherical earth incompatible with Scripture.

Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2019, 05:51:05 PM »
But spherical earth has not been "taught" either.  Yes, it has been widely held by Catholics for many centuries, but on scientific grounds.  Just as indeed the Church has never taught flat earth, the Church has not taught spherical earth either.  You appear to be mistaking widespread belief regarding a matter of natural science with Church teaching.  Really, the farthest you can go is to say that Catholic have not considered spherical earth incompatible with Scripture.
You appear to not understand the argument that I am making since you are telling me all the things that I just said.  Or are you just agreeing with me in a strange way? 

And why put the word "taught" in quotes.  At no point did I says that the Church taught spherical earth, so what are you quoting?

Offline Tradman

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Re: Why flat earth is so important. Dr. R.B.
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2019, 11:54:12 AM »



You said:

As the Catholic Church sponsored university system arose, all students were taught the earth is a sphere.  Every Saint, Doctor and Pope educated this way believed the earth is a sphere. 

Still haven't seen quotes of saints, doctors or popes who teach earth is a sphere.  

How can people who call themselves traditional Catholics pit themselves against the beliefs of our fathers in Faith this way?
This quote of yours suggests that Catholic tradition holds earth is a sphere, yet not one spherical earth teaching has been shown.    

You said: At no point did I says that the Church taught spherical earth, so what are you quoting?

What the poster Ladislaus said is completely different than what you're trying to infer.