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Offline Truth is Eternal

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  • It is interesting that Jaynek is working so closely with the God-haters DeGrasse-Tyson, Dawkins, Hawking, and Sagan in their heliocentric, billions-years old model of cosmology. Not the Biblical one.
    Maybe Janek is a Freemason.

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  • Happenby wrote"
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    Isaiah 40:22   It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. 


    How can a tent cover a sphere?
    The phrase "spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" is a figure of speech called a simile.  Here is a definition:

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    a figure of speech comparing two unlike things that is often introduced by like or as 
    This passage does not mean that the heavens are a tent or even exactly like a tent.  It just means that it resembles a tent in some way.  This verse is part of a larger passage describing the greatness and power of God.  That is what is important here.  We are not supposed to interpret it in a literalistic way to figure out the shape of the earth. We are supposed to consider God's power.

    But thanks for providing a Scripture verse that says the earth is a globe.


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  • Maybe Janek is a Freemason.
    No, just an average garden-variety Novus Ordoite.
    Sad.

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  • Genesis 1

    6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters: and let it divide the waters from the waters.
    7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.
    8 And God called the firmament, Heaven; and the evening and morning were the second day.


    4 And God said: Let there be lights made in the firmament of heaven, to divide the day and the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
    15 To shine in the firmament of heaven, and to give light upon the earth. And it was so done.
    16 And God made two great lights: a greater light to rule the day; and a lesser light to rule the night: and the stars.
    17 And he set them in the firmament of heaven to shine upon the earth.

    How does the existence of a firmanent prove flat earth?

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  • Happenby wrote"The phrase "spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" is a figure of speech called a simile.  Here is a definition:
    This passage does not mean that the heavens are a tent or even exactly like a tent.  It just means that it resembles a tent in some way.  This verse is part of a larger passage describing the greatness and power of God.  That is what is important here.  We are not supposed to interpret it in a literalistic way to figure out the shape of the earth. We are supposed to consider God's power.

    But thanks for providing a Scripture verse that says the earth is a globe.
    Madam, a simile must be similar to the thing the words relate it to.  You cannot cover a globe with a tent.  But you can cover a flat earth with a dome that fits over the top like a tent, above which is heaven, etc.  God is very clearly showing the latter.  Its really is very simple. 


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  • Happenby wrote"The phrase "spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in" is a figure of speech called a simile.  Here is a definition:
    This passage does not mean that the heavens are a tent or even exactly like a tent.  It just means that it resembles a tent in some way.  This verse is part of a larger passage describing the greatness and power of God.  That is what is important here.  We are not supposed to interpret it in a literalistic way to figure out the shape of the earth. We are supposed to consider God's power.

    But thanks for providing a Scripture verse that says the earth is a globe.
    Yea, the translation is certainly not accurate because the word in the Greek means circle.  But you're welcome.  Enjoy the free mistaken translation that makes you think you're right.  You're still not right, but at least you can go feel better about yourself.

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  • It is wrong to insist that Scripture must be interpreted in a literalistic way 
    You LIE.
    The Church teached Scripture is always firstlyto be Iinterpreted by the literal sense. Always. First.
    This teaching has never changed.
    Nor is it the devilishly twisted teaching yoi are promoting here without ceasing.
    Take your modernist perversion of Church teaching back from whence you came.

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  • What if the tent was spherical in nature? 
    Ever seen a spherical tent? Didn't think so.
    God doesn't speak in riddles, but he does use metaphors.
    The only thing you csn pitch a tent over is level ground.
    Not a ball.


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  • Hey Meg, this is the kind of garbage I'm talking about. "Maybe Jaynek is a Freemason"?? When one is a Dogmatic Flatearther and believes that one cannot be saved without the hidden knowledge of the shape of the Earth, one says things like this all willy-nilly with no proof. Just blind hatred spewing out of their mouths.
    I think that one could make a case that these Dogmatic Flatearthers are actually Gnostics. They are claiming this knowledge is from Scripture, but Scripture makes no mention of it. It's all a ruse to distract us from beneficial Church Teaching that will actually aid us spiritually.
    AES, some are more reasonable to speak to than others. I feel that over the year I've had decent discussions with some.  I think its quite clear that TiE and Smedley spew insults and won't give answers.  For all their talk about how believing in a globe is 'blasphemous,' 'mockery of God,' 'stupid' and 'delivers souls to the devil'...neither can answer two basic things:

    1) If the Earth really is flat and this is a global idea is a conspiracy how does it benefit the conspirators.  Smedley's only response is that it gives souls to the devil.  My question went unanswered.  How does believing the earth is a globe send souls to the devil.  Is it a mortal sin? Is it blasphemous? It sounds like you think its heresy putting people in mortal sin.  Is this the case? TiE said he believes in flat earth because he is a Catholic and suggests that Jaynek is a freemason. The irony makes me laugh...This leads me to question 2.

    2) If it is truly Catholic to teach flat earth as implied by all the righteous posts, then what is the name of you priest/order/sect that teaches flat earth?  SSPX/Ex-SSPX/OMLC/SSPV/Whatever anyone?....IF this is such a fundamental issue that TiE and Smedley feel the need to condemn and insult, what's the name of a single traditional priest that warns souls away from global earth thoughts?  Why isn't it in the Baltimore Catechism?...Really just looking for TiE and Smedley to explain...

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  • Jaynek stated "I do believe the earth moves."

    This directly contradicts Scripture. 

    Passages stating earth does not move:

    1 Chron 16:30
    Psalm 93:1
    Zachariah 1:11
    Psalm 104:5
    1 Samuel 2:8
    Psalm 96
    Job 38

    This idea must be really important to God, because He mentions it so often.

    What will your lie be, Jaynek,  to excuse why one is not obligated to believe Him in these many verses?

    testingtheglobe.com/bible.html

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  • Ever seen a spherical tent? Didn't think so.

    It's LIKE a tent ... in some way.  It's not an actual physical tent, now, is it?  Could just be reference to something being stretched and pulled tight.


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  • AES, some are more reasonable to speak to than others. I feel that over the year I've had decent discussions with some.  I think its quite clear that TiE and Smedley spew insults and won't give answers.  For all their talk about how believing in a globe is 'blasphemous,' 'mockery of God,' 'stupid' and 'delivers souls to the devil'...neither can answer two basic things:

    1) If the Earth really is flat and this is a global idea is a conspiracy how does it benefit the conspirators.  Smedley's only response is that it gives souls to the devil.  My question went unanswered.  How does believing the earth is a globe send souls to the devil.  Is it a mortal sin? Is it blasphemous? It sounds like you think its heresy putting people in mortal sin.  Is this the case? TiE said he believes in flat earth because he is a Catholic and suggests that Jaynek is a freemason. The irony makes me laugh...This leads me to question 2.

    2) If it is truly Catholic to teach flat earth as implied by all the righteous posts, then what is the name of you priest/order/sect that teaches flat earth?  SSPX/Ex-SSPX/OMLC/SSPV/Whatever anyone?....IF this is such a fundamental issue that TiE and Smedley feel the need to condemn and insult, what's the name of a single traditional priest that warns souls away from global earth thoughts?  Why isn't it in the Baltimore Catechism?...Really just looking for TiE and Smedley to explain...
    You are a dope (there's your insult!) if you are unable to grasp how globe earth delivers souls to the devil.
    Globe earth is a belief in science and man over God and His revealed Truth of the Bible.
    If you believe you are insignificant spinning thru some back corner of the universe, you will likely conclude He doesn't care about us and drop any faith. 

    But if you believe He is right over your head and you are the ONLY Creation He made, you just might stay true to His Word.

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  • It's LIKE a tent ... in some way.  It's not an actual physical tent, now, is it?  Could just be reference to something being stretched and pulled tight.
    It is an actual physical barrier....that is like a tent.
    It cannot be "solid, strong" (Bible) unless it is ACTUALLY PHYSICAL. 
    It is like (shape) a tent.
    Tent is the metaphor He used to describe the Firmament's shape.
    You stretch out your tent fabric to reach the tent poles (pillars of the earth).
    Ever pondered the shape of a baldachin over the flat altar stone? Which represents the earth where Our Lord's sacrifice took place.

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  • Spherical tent

    Can't post pictures from this computer, but this link shows that there are some spherical tents that could hold balls inside them. Ridiculous!
    You're an idiot. There's your insult. 
    Btw, notice none of them sit on level ground?  Because they can't. 

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  • You are a dope (there's your insult!) if you are unable to grasp how globe earth delivers souls to the devil.
    Globe earth is a belief in science and man over God and His revealed Truth of the Bible.
    If you believe you are insignificant spinning thru some back corner of the universe, you will likely conclude He doesn't care about us and drop any faith.

    But if you believe He is right over your head and you are the ONLY Creation He made, you just might stay true to His Word.
    Man you are awesome...I really must be a dope...I guess you are smart than 99.99999999999% of the rest of population  Ok so you are saying if you believe in globe earth and it tendencies you will end up believing that God doesn't care about us and we will drop any faith.  Sounds serious...so going back to question number two

    "If it is truly Catholic to teach flat earth as implied by all the righteous posts, then what is the name of you priest/order/sect that teaches flat earth?  SSPX/Ex-SSPX/OMLC/SSPV/Whatever anyone?....IF this is such a fundamental issue that you the need to condemn and insult, what's the name of a single traditional priest that warns souls away from global earth thoughts?  Why isn't it in the Baltimore Catechism?."