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To Prove a flat earth theory to be fact?
HOLY BIBLE scripture is the single most compelling piece of evidence for God having created the flat earth. :incense:

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/god's-flat-earth-in-scripture/










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What Do Flat-Earthers Believe?  ................. Who cares?  :laugh1:  :laugh2:  :laugh1:  :laugh2: 
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Equivalent question:
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What do Moslems believe about the shape of the earth?
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Answer:  WHO CARES?!
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To Prove a flat earth theory to be fact?
HOLY BIBLE scripture is the single most compelling piece of evidence for God having created the flat earth. :incense:

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/god's-flat-earth-in-scripture/
Let's see, "Truth is Eternal" or St. Basil and St. Augustine's opinion on whether Scripture speaks of such things. I'll go with real Catholics on this one.



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St. Augustine- The literal meaning of Genesis: It is also frequently asked what our belief must be about the form and shape of heaven according to Sacred Scripture. Many scholars engage in lengthy discussions on these matters, but the sacred writers with their deeper wisdom have omitted them.   Such subjects are of no profit for those who seek beatitude, and, what is worse, they take up very precious time that ought to be given to what is spiritually beneficial.
 
 What concern is it of mine whether heaven is like a sphere and the earth is enclosed by it and suspended in the middle of the universe, or whether heaven like a disk above the earth covers it over on one side?


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Basil, Hexaemeron: “Those who have written about the nature of the universe have discussed at length the shape of the earth. If it be spherical or cylindrical, if it resemble a disc and is equally rounded in all parts, or if it has the forth of a winnowing basket and is hollow in the middle;  all these conjectures have been suggested by cosmographers, each one upsetting that of his predecessor. It will not lead me to give less importance to the creation of the universe, that the servant of God, Moses, is silent as to shapes; he has not said that the earth is a hundred and eighty thousand furlongs in circumference; he has not measured into what extent of air its shadow projects itself whilst the sun revolves around it, nor stated how this shadow, casting itself upon the moon, produces eclipses. He has passed over in silence, as useless, all that is unimportant for us. Shall I then prefer foolish wisdom to the oracles of the Holy Spirit? Shall I not rather exalt Him who, not wishing to fill our minds with these vanities, has regulated all the economy of Scripture in view of the edification and the making perfect of our souls? It is this which those seem to me not to have understood, who, giving themselves up to the distorted meaning of allegory, have undertaken to give a majesty of their own invention to Scripture. It is to believe themselves wiser than the Holy Spirit, and to bring forth their own ideas under a pretext of exegesis. Let us hear Scripture as it has been written.”

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Let's see, "Truth is Eternal" or St. Basil and St. Augustine's opinion on whether Scripture speaks of such things. I'll go with real Catholics on this one.
Notice that St. Augustine does not mention a heliocentric model? Yet there was still much discussion about this in his day.
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He thinks the discussion of shape is unimportant back then. Perhaps if he was in today's time, where the error of heliocentrism has led to total Godlessness, he might think it more important.


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Notice that St. Augustine does not mention a heliocentric model? Yet there was still much discussion about this in his day.
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He thinks the discussion of shape is unimportant back then. Perhaps if he was in today's time, where the error of heliocentrism has led to total Godlessness, he might think it more important.
I'm sure if St. Augustine were alive today he would be much more concerned with actual errors rather than the shape of the Earth, which doesn't even fall within the realm of Salvific importance.
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I'm sure if St. Augustine were alive today he would be much more concerned with actual errors rather than the shape of the Earth, which doesn't even fall within the realm of Salvific importance.
It is really something how you can read God's mind! WOW!


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It is really something how you can read God's mind! WOW!
"God's mind" has been revealed to us through Scripture and Tradition. It is then taught to us by the Church. You cannot not claim that FE is part of Divine Revelation when the Church has never even once mentioned it as something revealed. On top of all that, at least two Fathers, which I quoted, explicitly say that it was NOT revealed by God. This is pretty strong evidence which you are choosing to ignore or disbelieve.
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"God's mind" has been revealed to us through Scripture and Tradition. It is then taught to us by the Church. You cannot not claim that FE is part of Divine Revelation when the Church has never even once mentioned it as something revealed. On top of all that, at least two Fathers, which I quoted, explicitly say that it was NOT revealed by God. This is pretty strong evidence which you are choosing to ignore or disbelieve.
The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
 
The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
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  • The horizon always appears perfectly flat 360 degrees around the observer regardless of altitude. All amateur balloon, rocket, plane and drone footage show a completely flat horizon over 20+ miles high. Only NASA and other government "space agencies" show curvature in their fake CGI photos/videos.

    The horizon always rises to the eye level of the observer as altitude is gained, so you never have to look down to see it. If Earth were in fact a globe, no matter how large, as you ascended the horizon would stay fixed and the observer / camera would have to tilt looking down further and further to see it.
     
    The natural physics of water is to find and maintain its level. If Earth were a giant sphere tilted, wobbling and hurdling through infinite space then truly flat, consistently level surfaces would not exist here. But since Earth is in fact an extended flat plane, this fundamental physical property of fluids finding and remaining level is consistent with experience and common sense.
    I have no problem with this. You are not trying to make your points from Scripture or the Church. Carry on.
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  • That's a tough question to answer!  I'd think of two things:  one the level and two perspective.  

    All these people go out and use zoom lenses to look across a body of water and find that they can see all the way across a lake or far out into the ocean.   Of course, if the Earth was curved, then they shouldn't be able to see that far.  In regards to the level, the other thing was the shear drop of it.  Our Earth is supposed to have a diameter of about 8 thousand miles and a circumference of about 25 thousand miles.  So, traveling from the North Pole to the Equator should be about 6 thousand miles and the traveler should experience a drop of about 4 thousand miles or a drop of 8 inches per foot traveled.  We of course experience no such thing!  It would be like living on a staircase!  Now I'm told that I shouldn't notice that, because I'm like an ant on a beach ball.  Well, I've traveled to the Equator.  Why didn't I fall off the ball?  I'm told that's because of Gravity.  O.k., if Gravity is real, then a 100 lbs of lead should attract more dust, then a newspaper.  However, in my experience, a newspaper attracts just as much dust as 100 lbs of lead or even 1000 lbs.  The idea that Gravity can hold a cruise ship to the carribbean, but I can easily walk around that ship seems fantastic (like fantasy).  

    The second thing that really got me was Perspective.  It was pointed out to me that a telephone pole not far away looked like it was only a few inches tall.  Of course, the telephone pole handn't got any shorter;  it was just my perspective.  The telephone pole I stood next to still looked very tall!  So, Perspective created an illusion of roundness or curvature.  





     

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  • I'm sure if St. Augustine were alive today he would be much more concerned with actual errors rather than the shape of the Earth, which doesn't even fall within the realm of Salvific importance.
    This issue is important to salvation. One of the most effective lies of the enemy, to lead people away from God, is the lie of evolution. This lie requires additional lies in order to appear to be true. Some of these additional lies are: earth that is billions of years old (disputing the Word of God), a sun-centered universe (a masonic, sun-worshipping lie), and globe theory (historically pushed by freemasons and currently pushed by the freemasonic NASA).
    Most of what people believe to be true about the weak globe theory is based on the admittedly faked images of the Big Blue Ball, the faked moon landing, and the psy op that marginalizes the truth that the earth is actually as described in Genesis, and as explained by the Church Fathers.
    What do you think the Bible means by "the firmament"?
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  • This issue is important to salvation.
    No it's not. If it was it would be revealed explicitly in Scripture and handed down through Tradition and probably defined by the Church.
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     that the earth is actually as described in Genesis, and as explained by the Church Fathers.
    No it's not. If it was you would be able to point out the exact passage that says "the Earth is flat". St. Basil and St. Augustine explicitly say that Genesis is silent as to the shape.

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    What do you think the Bible means by "the firmament"?
    People are free to believe what they want to believe it means. What's absolutely for sure is that it doesn't absolutely mean the Earth is flat.
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  • What do you think the Bible means by "the firmament"?

    Good question.

    For some here, they seem to believe that we cannot say what it specifically means, because it's supposed to mean whatever anybody wants it to mean. It wouldn't be fair, for instance, to those who want to interpret it in a modernist, humanist manner. In other words, we can't attach a specific meaning, or it might hurt the feelings of those who don't agree. This is Vatican ll type of thinking. Don't be specific. Be ambiguous.

     

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