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Offline WholeFoodsTrad

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Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
« Reply #105 on: December 27, 2017, 07:33:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Truth is Eternal on October 20, 2017, 06:13:16 PM
    To Prove a flat earth theory to be fact?
    HOLY BIBLE scripture is the single most compelling piece of evidence for God having created the flat earth. :incense:

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/god's-flat-earth-in-scripture/
    Why should this post caused so much debate?  That the Bible, especially The Old Testament,  portrays a flat and motionless Earth is not controversial among people who actually know what they're talking about.  
    If you personally want to take those verses as "allegorical, non-binding or cultural" fine.  As Catholics we are allowed to do that.  But that the Bible actually portrays a Flat and Motionless Earth is A BIG FAT FACT.  

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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #106 on: December 27, 2017, 08:04:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: An even Seven on December 27, 2017, 06:48:34 PM
    Modernism is heresy correct? You are saying that all the Popes that allowed HC were allowing heresy. Not only that, but Pope Benedict XV taught explicitly that the Earth may not be the center of the Universe. There is only one logical conclusion from your "The Modernism well underway" statement, and it's that those Popes were heretics.
    This sort of thing is the dark side of traditional Catholicism.  Some people start tossing out all papal authority because the Crisis has brought it into question in recent decades.  Almost everyone who is promoting Flat Earth and/or Geocentrism on this forum is ignoring almost two centuries of magisterial teaching to do so and is placing their own interpretations of Scripture over that taught by the Church. This is no longer about responding to a crisis in the Church but people who have become too attached to their own opinions to accept Church teaching.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #107 on: December 27, 2017, 08:10:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: WholeFoodsTrad on December 27, 2017, 07:33:51 PM
    Why should this post caused so much debate?  That the Bible, especially The Old Testament,  portrays a flat and motionless Earth is not controversial among people who actually know what they're talking about.  
    If you personally want to take those verses as "allegorical, non-binding or cultural" fine.  As Catholics we are allowed to do that.  But that the Bible actually portrays a Flat and Motionless Earth is A BIG FAT FACT.  
    Most of the people promoting Flat Earth here do not acknowledge that "as Catholics we are allowed to do that." They claim or imply that they are the only ones taking a Catholic position.  This is both wrong and offensive.  That is why there is so much debate.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #108 on: December 27, 2017, 08:14:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 08:10:09 PM
    Most of the people promoting Flat Earth here do not acknowledge that "as Catholics we are allowed to do that." They claim or imply that they are the only ones taking a Catholic position.  This is both wrong and offensive.  That is why there is so much debate.
    I don't see anyone but truthiseternal doing that.  
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    « Reply #109 on: December 27, 2017, 08:31:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
    So everything in modern science, technology, satellites, ect are taught in school from kindergarten through doctorate, manufactured using these equations and sciences, used by consumers....even the ability to post on this online forum from a cell phone are based on all this global earth science....So modernistic, heresy or not, qui bono?  Who benefits, or what is accomplished by this ultra worldwide conspiracy that the earth is secretly flat?  
    Cell phones are ground-based technology. They bounce signals off towers on the flat plane.
    Internet runs through ground cables and undersea cables on the flat plane.
    There is no globe in your tech.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #110 on: December 27, 2017, 08:34:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 27, 2017, 08:31:15 PM
    Cell phones are ground-based technology. They bounce signals off towers on the flat plane.
    Internet runs through ground cables and undersea cables on the flat plane.
    There is no globe in your tech.
    Alright...that's just a side thing....forgetting cell phone, planes, gps, internet.....my original question was

    Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
    So modernistic, heresy or not, qui bono?  Who benefits, or what is accomplished by this ultra worldwide conspiracy that the earth is secretly flat?  
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #111 on: December 27, 2017, 08:38:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 08:04:27 PM
    This sort of thing is the dark side of traditional Catholicism.  Some people start tossing out all papal authority because the Crisis has brought it into question in recent decades.  Almost everyone who is promoting Flat Earth and/or Geocentrism on this forum is ignoring almost two centuries of magisterial teaching to do so and is placing their own interpretations of Scripture over that taught by the Church. This is no longer about responding to a crisis in the Church but people who have become too attached to their own opinions to accept Church teaching.
    There are plenty of erroneous papal decrees in history to be tossed out without declaring the last 20  popes to be heretics.
    Do you uphold the papal decrees on evolution and aliens to be licit along with your 1820 heliocentrism?
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #112 on: December 27, 2017, 08:41:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 07:32:57 PM
    So everything in modern science, technology, satellites, ect are taught in school from kindergarten through doctorate, manufactured using these equations and sciences, used by consumers....even the ability to post on this online forum from a cell phone are based on all this global earth science....So modernistic, heresy or not, qui bono?  Who benefits, or what is accomplished by this ultra worldwide conspiracy that the earth is secretly flat?  
    Well for one, you can't trust your senses.  So, you have to rely on someone else to tell you what is real and what isn't.  
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #113 on: December 27, 2017, 08:42:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 08:34:46 PM
    Alright...that's just a side thing....forgetting cell phone, planes, gps, internet.....my original question was
    The devil.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #114 on: December 27, 2017, 08:44:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 27, 2017, 08:42:18 PM
    The devil.
    Its like pulling teeth...So I'll ask again....how does the devil benefit, or what is accomplished by this ultra worldwide conspiracy that the earth is secretly flat?
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #115 on: December 27, 2017, 08:51:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 08:44:20 PM
    How does the devil benefit?
    Please answer the question above.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #116 on: December 27, 2017, 08:56:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 27, 2017, 08:51:33 PM
    Please answer the question above.
    I really don't know, that's why I asked in the first place?
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #117 on: December 27, 2017, 09:01:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Smedley Butler on December 27, 2017, 08:38:35 PM
    There are plenty of erroneous papal decrees in history to be tossed out without declaring the last 20  popes to be heretics.
    Do you uphold the papal decrees on evolution and aliens to be licit along with your 1820 heliocentrism?
    It is always my default position to accept papal decrees.  I cannot offhand think of any which I do not accept.
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    Re: What do Flat Earthers Believe is the Single Most Compelling Piece of Evidence..
    « Reply #118 on: December 27, 2017, 09:01:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 27, 2017, 08:56:14 PM
    I really don't know, that's why I asked in the first place?
    :facepalm:
    He gains souls for hell.
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    « Reply #119 on: December 27, 2017, 09:08:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jaynek on December 27, 2017, 09:01:26 PM
    It is always my default position to accept papal decrees.  I cannot offhand think of any which I do not accept.
    You stated that you do not accept the 1633 condemnation of heliocentrism.
    And acknowledged you accept Wojtyla's 1996 decree on evolution of the human body and Bergoglio's 2014 decree on the Big Bang and Ratzinger's 2009 decree on alien life.
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