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Thanks.

The writing style of this Andrew White fellow is difficult for me to understand, but he seems to be promoting Enlightenment principles. But then he was a Protestant.

In the very last chapter, chapter XX, in the last section of it, titled, "Vl: Reconstructive force for scientific criticism," Andrew White writes:

"If then, modern science in general has acted powerfully to dissolve away the older theories and dogmas of the older theological interpretations, it has also been active in a reconstruction and recrystallization of truth; and very powerful in this reconstruction have been the evolution doctrines which has grown out of the work of men like Darwin and Spencer."

That pretty much sums it up for me. He can in no way speak to matters of Church teaching in any qualified way at all.

The heliocentric/geocentric conflict in history came about ONLY because the Bible reveals geocentrism. The Church acted only in its interest in stopping personal interpretation of the Scriptures.

Lucifer fooled Adam and Eve into believing they could be like gods, knowing everything. Adam and Eve repented and God forgave them. When Cain murdered Abel and was cast out his lot came under the influence of Lucifer's 'false-information' machine that formed all the false religions of the world.

By the sixteenth century man was ready to accept the sun-god once again by way of its Luciferian disguise Copernicanism.
Observations were interpreted as heliocentric proofs, and Isaac Newton's invented CAUSE for gravity was promulgated by Lucifer's false-information society the MASONS as a scientific fact. Human PRIDE in their own ability to KNOW ALL caught on, EVEN AMONG THE ELECT. Scriptural geocentrism was jettisoned and replaced by human reasoning heliocentrism. Today, even by posters on this Catholic forum, Scriptural geocentrism is laughed at in order that none chose revelation over human reason even though it has more evidence for it than heliocentrism has.

Out of nowhere came this flat-earth theory, claiming it too is revealed in Scripture. Yes they can quote some Fathers, some saints, and some philosophers who also held the Bible teaches a flat earth. Then, like the heliocentric/geocentric science, they can show reasons as to its credibility. However, their theory needs to deny so much it falls into the ridiculous. All space photos of a global earth are fakes according to their theory, the science of geodesy is useless, and astronomical distances of the earth, sun, moon and planets have to be made fit their mathematics and not according to 500 years of measuring and planes and ships may think they are moving around a global-earth when in fact they are going in flat-earth circles. No doubt they will continue to insist their science is credible and that is their position.

Fair enough, but for me theology is the queen of science and in the above debate I prefer the Church's truth to human reasoning that since Adam and Eve has been corrupted to reject the first dogma of the Catholic Church: "God can be known by the things that he made." Heliocentrism led the world to a natural Big-Bang that suits atheism and their concocted science. Geocentrism has no possible explanation other than it was created that way by God.

No doubt a flat-earth would also be evidence for God, if it was true. But St Augustine warned us not to make the Bible say something that it does not lest the evidence shows it to be wrong that in turn threatens the credibility of the Bible. So the Church made some rules. Only that which ALL OF THE FATHERS say the Bible reveals is infallible. All of the Fathers read the bible as revealing geocentrism. The Church of 1616 decreed this was dogma.
Flat-earthism has no UNANIMOUS agreement of all the Fathers. The Church has never decreed it as dogma, so theologically it has nothing to support it except the few who say it has. As yet I have never seen any such decrees..

So, what else is there to help us as Catholics to base what shape our earth is. Well personally I love the statue of the Child of Prague. ‘Devotion to this statue began in the year 1556 when Maria Manriquez de Lara brought the image of the infant Jesus, a family heirloom, to Czechoslovakia from Spain on the occasion of her marriage to Vratislav of Pernstyn. It is housed now in the church of Our Lady of Victory in Prague and is an object of veneration in many other countries.’ Note the globe of the earth held steady at rest in the hands of the child Jesus.    

I recall the flat-earthers saying the child could be holding the flat earth facing out giving the impression of a globe. If I could I would post a picture of that statue here showing it is indeed a globe and nothing else.

Then the other day I was reading about the MIRACULOUS MEDAL.

I googled https://www.olrl.org/lives/laboure.shtml

In the above I found:

The Second Apparition
Four months passed until Our Lady returned to Rue du Bac. Here are Catherine's own words describing the apparition:
"On the 27th of November, 1830 ... while making my meditation in profound silence ... I seemed to hear on the right hand side of the sanctuary something like the rustling of a silk dress. Glancing in that direction, I perceived the Blessed Virgin standing near St. Joseph's picture. Her height was medium and Her countenance, indescribably beautiful. She was dressed in a robe the color of the dawn, high-necked, with plain sleeves. Her head was covered with a white veil, which floated over Her shoulders down to her feet. Her feet rested upon a globe, or rather one half of a globe, for that was all that could be seen. Her hands which were on a level with Her waist, held in an easy manner another globe, a figure of the world. Her eyes were raised to Heaven, and Her countenance beamed with light as She offered the globe to Our Lord.
"As I was busy contemplating Her, the Blessed Virgin fixed Her eyes upon me, and a voice said in the depths of my heart: ' This globe which you see represents the whole world, especially France, and each person in particular.'


For me then, this is heaven calling and telling, my theological proof that Flat-earthism is not true, and perhaps being used by Satan (NOT BY THE POSTERS I STATE) to undermine the progress being made in exposing SCIENTIFICALLY AND THEOLOGICALLY the Galileo case as one of the greatest scandals in history, suggesting the Church was wrong and Galileo was right when in fact ALL THE SCIENTIFIC AND THEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE proves the Bible was right and Lucifer's science was A LIE.

To undermine this breakthrough by insisting on a flat-earth geocentrism would seem to me to be a disaster.