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Re: The only thing a Flat Earther fears - a sphere itself
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 02:29:15 PM »
Interesting picture.  I can't quite make out what is supposed to be 140 miles away and what 190 miles away.  At 140 miles away (starting at an elevation of 500 feet), 8400+ feet should be hidden from view by curvature; at 190 miles, 17,600+ feet.  I doubt that refraction could explain this.
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The tiny red letters on the left side say: RESEARCH FLAT EARTH.  Maybe you ought to do some research, then.
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Here, I'll do it FOR you.
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Hilltop Ski Area in Anchorage, Alaska, starts at 500 ft. elevation with a VERTICAL DROP of 294 feet coming down to the base. So it goes up to about 800' at the top of the lift, which is the top of the ski slope. This photo could have been taken 300 feet higher up and then they could have pretended that it was taken from only 500 feet high. But I'll let that pass. 
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Here is a topographic map of the area. Use Google Earth for additional information such as direction and distance to Denali.
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The detailed topo map identifies Hideaway Lake and Lake 'O' the Hills at the end of Little Campbell Creek (north fork) as 900' el., and the South Campbell Airstrip (a.k.a. BLM airstrip) at 300' el. Hilltop Ski Area has a base halfway between, at approximately 600' el.
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Denali Mountain (el. 20,310') is north-northwest of Hilltop Ski Area, with the Knik Arm as the only body of water in between.
Knik Arm borders Anchorage and covers from 12 to 16 miles north-northwest from Hilltop S.A. Since the nice photo claims a mountain in the distance to be 20,000 ft, it must be Denali (erstwhile Mt. McKinley) that they're referring to. But the photo says "140 MILES AWAY" when Denali peak is only 120 miles from Anchorage, and its base is 100 miles from Anchorage. More errors.
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The big black arrow pointing down on the left side under "140 MILES" its tip is touching the north shore of Knik Arm, which is only 16 miles away from Hilltop Ski Area. No shortage of errors!
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Therefore, you have the hilltop south of Anchorage (which is all built up now with houses) going north-northwest to the far side of Anchorage where it has a shoreline on Knik Arm at 12 miles, covering the bottom half of the photo. Then from the south shore of Knik Arm to the north shore, a distance of 4 miles covered in just 1/4" of the photo, and subsequently the remaining 100 miles (not "140") to the base of Denali only occupies next 3/16".
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In other words, there is an enormous difference between the angle of view (toward the ground) from the hilltop south of Anchorage compared to the angle of view from the same place (toward the horizon) over the north side of Knik Arm to the base of Denali. Even more relevant is the fact that from the hill top to the north shore of Anchorage is DOWNHILL but from the north shore of Knik Arm to Denali is ALL UPHILL. One would expect a photo looking down a hillside to be foreshortened compared to a view facing an uphill slope, if the level basis of all this area were a "flat" earth.
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The camera is facing into the ground in the bottom half, but it's nearly PARALLEL to the ground in the upper half.
Then in the area where the arrow points "190 miles away" (pointing at who-knows-what) there is no ground visible at all. 
If the surface were gradually curving downward into the distance, this would make perfect sense.
So the photo supports a spherical earth.
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BTW that "190 miles away" thingy is not a mountain range or anything else visible because there ISN'T any mountain range north of Denali. 

Re: The only thing a Flat Earther fears - a sphere itself
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2018, 02:34:13 PM »
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The tiny red letters on the left side say: RESEARCH FLAT EARTH.  Maybe you ought to do some research, then.
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Here, I'll do it FOR you.
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Hilltop Ski Area in Anchorage, Alaska, starts at 500 ft. elevation with a VERTICAL DROP of 294 feet coming down to the base. So it goes up to about 800' at the top of the lift, which is the top of the ski slope. This photo could have been taken 300 feet higher up and then they could have pretended that it was taken from only 500 feet high. But I'll let that pass.
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Here is a topographic map of the area. Use Google Earth for additional information such as direction and distance to Denali.
.
The detailed topo map identifies Hideaway Lake and Lake 'O' the Hills at the end of Little Campbell Creek (north fork) as 900' el., and the South Campbell Airstrip (a.k.a. BLM airstrip) at 300' el. Hilltop Ski Area has a base halfway between, at approximately 600' el.
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Denali Mountain (el. 20,310') is north-northwest of Hilltop Ski Area, with the Knik Arm as the only body of water in between.
Knik Arm borders Anchorage and covers from 12 to 16 miles north-northwest from Hilltop S.A. Since the nice photo claims a mountain in the distance to be 20,000 ft, it must be Denali (erstwhile Mt. McKinley) that they're referring to. But the photo says "140 MILES AWAY" when Denali peak is only 120 miles from Anchorage, and its base is 100 miles from Anchorage. More errors.
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The big black arrow pointing down on the left side under "140 MILES" its tip is touching the north shore of Knik Arm, which is only 16 miles away from Hilltop Ski Area. No shortage of errors!
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Therefore, you have the hilltop south of Anchorage (which is all built up now with houses) going north-northwest to the far side of Anchorage where it has a shoreline on Knik Arm at 12 miles, covering the bottom half of the photo. Then from the south shore of Knik Arm to the north shore, a distance of 4 miles covered in just 1/4" of the photo, and subsequently the remaining 100 miles (not "140") to the base of Denali only occupies next 3/16".
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In other words, there is an enormous difference between the angle of view (toward the ground) from the hilltop south of Anchorage compared to the angle of view from the same place (toward the horizon) over the north side of Knik Arm to the base of Denali. Even more relevant is the fact that from the hill top to the north shore of Anchorage is DOWNHILL but from the north shore of Knik Arm to Denali is ALL UPHILL. One would expect a photo looking down a hillside to be foreshortened compared to a view facing an uphill slope, if the level basis of all this area were a "flat" earth.
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The camera is facing into the ground in the bottom half, but it's nearly PARALLEL to the ground in the upper half.
Then in the area where the arrow points "190 miles away" (pointing at who-knows-what) there is no ground visible at all.
If the surface were gradually curving downward into the distance, this would make perfect sense.
So the photo supports a spherical earth.
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BTW that "190 miles away" thingy is not a mountain range or anything else visible because there ISN'T any mountain range north of Denali.


Re: The only thing a Flat Earther fears - a sphere itself
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2018, 03:25:18 PM »
I think this is one piece of evidence that at least SOME "Flat Earthers" have zero sense of humor. He didn't even acknowledge the joke! He acts like a bot programmed to convert the world to flat earth. I'm not saying he is a bot, but if there were such a bot, it would act the same way: ignoring any humor, staying 100% on task, always working on the mission to convert the world.

I post a joke, and here "Truth is Eternal" dives in to Flat Earth argumentation. Give me a break! Chill out already. You take your pet crusade FAR too seriously.
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To be fair, Truth is Transitory didn't appreciate the joke because he's been there done that -- it's not the first time.
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He takes his crusade VERY seriously because FEAR ain't FUNNY
But let's face it, he has nothing to fear but sphere itself.  (Yes, that's a link) (So is this)
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I can't blame you, Matthew, for having missed a few jokes, after all, there are a lot of posts to keep up with.  HAHAHA
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How about this one:  
How can you tell when an artist is a flat-earther, even though she's painting a globe?
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Answer -- click here
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Re: The only thing a Flat Earther fears - a sphere itself
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2018, 03:32:30 PM »
I thought it was mildly funny.

Re: The only thing a Flat Earther fears - a sphere itself
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2018, 03:38:47 PM »
I thought it was mildly funny.
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Jimmy Carter had something in common with George W. Bush.
They both said that for an exercise, when each gets up in the morning, he looks in the mirror and laughs at himself.
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This is something Barack Obama a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, could NEVER do.
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But he had no problem when he heard the news that a tenured professor was being fired for using the word "niggardly" in correct context. (It means stingy or selfish.)