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Re: The Earth is Flat
« Reply #45 on: October 13, 2023, 01:53:54 PM »
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  • Who needs Hamas when the trad digital circular firing squad is this busy today. :facepalm:
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #46 on: October 13, 2023, 02:27:13 PM »
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  • https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=31104.0

    From poster Greg:
    He needs to read this:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/16-emergency-plane-landings-proving-flat-earth

    Also, planes don't have to "nose down" every 1-2 minutes so they don't fly into outer space. You'd notice that. Pilots would definitely know if they're doing this or not. And don't say "gravity has you" because if gravity "had" the planes, and they weren't able to maneuver independent of natural "gravity" they'd be in trouble, wouldn't they? (They'd crash). Why would gravity pull more down on the nose than the rest of the plane? It's ridiculous. It is a piss-poor explanation, which doesn't pass the common sense test much less the rigors of science.

    Pilots (including military) are given gems like this in their training: "Assume a flat earth." or words to that effect. They aren't give the FIRST INSTRUCTION how to deal with a globe earth beneath them. Zero consideration for something so fundamental to a pilot. Keep in mind planes travel at many hundreds of miles per hour. Run the calculations how often they'd have to nose-down to correct their altitude if they kept flying in a straight line.

    The horizon is always the same. It never drops below, as it would on a Ball. No matter *how high* they go.

    Also, submarines don't hide from radar in the curve, which they should be able to do, if the earth were round.

    Just the tip of the iceberg. TONS of evidence the Earth is flat, ZERO evidence it's round, once you discount NASA. And NASA has been caught lying hundreds of times, falsifying them completely. Ergo.

    As for the idiot who said "Anyone who's been on a flight for 30 min. knows the earth is a ball" is a moron. The thick windows in a commercial jet are convex, which distort what you see outside, especially towards the edges. That is not evidence.
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #47 on: October 13, 2023, 07:06:42 PM »
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  • The horizon is always the same. It never drops below, as it would on a Ball. No matter *how high* they go.

    Really, the horizon line not dropping is incredibly compelling.  One of the things that has always struck me is that if you've ever seen that footage from those amateur balloons at 120,000 feet ... if you were to look from one end of the state of Kansas to the other side, lengthwise, there would be a curvature "drop" of ... nearly 120,000 feet, the same as the altitude of those balloons (flying at 4x the height of commercial airliners).  That kind of a "bulge" or "curve" would absolutely be noticeable from those very balloons.

    There have been dozens of laser tests conducted over many miles (I think the longest distance was like 27 miles), photogaphs taken by non-FE amateur photogaphers of the Alps from 700 miles away, where they should have been hidden by 85 MILES of curvature, photograph of a lighthouse that stands 150 feet above sea level at its top (again by a non-FE) from something like 230 miles away when it too should have been hidden by miles of curvature, the tests done by Dr. John D (publicly and pre-announced) where he conducted a two-way laser experiment, which blows away the "refraction" nonsense, since an increase in air density in one direction would mean a decrease in the other direction and therefore upward refraction (but both lasers were spotted), Dr. John D's "black swan" wind turbine videos, the world-record 800-mile "line of sight" UHF signal beam, the 237-mile "line of sight" microwave broadband connection over the Mediterranean, and on and on and on.  Unless someone could posit an alternative theory about why this happens besides "refraction" about how light always bends around the "globe" due to some kind of electromagnetic force, then ... apart from such an explanation ... the "globe" is dead in the water.

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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #48 on: October 13, 2023, 07:16:35 PM »
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  • Really, the horizon line not dropping is incredibly compelling.  One of the things that has always struck me is that if you've ever seen that footage from those amateur balloons at 120,000 feet ... if you were to look from one end of the state of Kansas to the other side, lengthwise, there would be a curvature "drop" of ... nearly 120,000 feet, the same as the altitude of those balloons (flying at 4x the height of commercial airliners).  That kind of a "bulge" or "curve" would absolutely be noticeable from those very balloons.


    Maybe if you were strapped to the balloon, and had no confirmation bias. As best as I can remember, some of the weather balloon and rocket videos show the horizon dropping, but it is hard to really get a sense of that when looking at a screen. It could just be my own confirmation bias, but I think not.
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    Re: A challenge to CI Flat Earthers - $10,000 reward
    « Reply #49 on: October 13, 2023, 07:22:46 PM »
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #50 on: October 13, 2023, 08:01:50 PM »
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    I've just signed a new client, so have a little extra cash.

    CathInfo has a flat earth thread so here is my challenge for $10,000 plus all their travel costs paid.

    :facepalm: :jester: Greg...what a loser to be so concerned with Flat Earth and Cathinfo.  It's absolutely pathetic.  :jester:


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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #51 on: October 13, 2023, 09:39:40 PM »
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  • What a waste of $10,000. How many trads could benefit from a little piece of that to fix a minivan, or get some house repair done? Matthew could even use some to buy Reading Water Meters for Dummies.

    GGreg went off on me when I couldn't accurately read a water meter. I don't know why I'm expected to know that, when it's the water company's job and no one else's. It's not like it was digital or something. It was certainly old, dirty and in a hole in the ground -- a hole which has held snakes in the past. Not exactly in a comfy position on a clean desk in an air conditioned office. I can't remember if I missed the x100 or added it when it shouldn't be there. Either way, I ended up being off in my calculation of gallons used as a result. And I couldn't "sanity check" my numbers either because I was (and still am) lousy at ballpark-guessing how many gallons were in a large volume of water. You know, more than a person could reasonably be expected to know.

    Unless you work in the inground pool industry or something, that's not exactly common sense or common knowledge. Who knows how many hundred, thousand, ten thousand, or millions of gallons are in a lake, a man-made lake, a pond, or a water leak of X days. Sorry, that's not my field. I don't have those figures and calculations in my head.

    And let me list those who I would mock for not being able to read a water meter: water company employees, workers at a water meter factory. <END OF LIST>

    But not only was he going off/mocking me about it, he wouldn't let it drop. He was extremely uncharitable. And zero compassion. And I didn't have to take it from him, so I banned him. Because frankly he's a puffed up jerk, and it comes across in all his writings.
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #52 on: October 13, 2023, 10:30:59 PM »
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  • But not only was he going off/mocking me about it, he wouldn't let it drop.

    Yeah, that's usually a cover for intellectual dishonesty, where he's using it as a regular ad hominem in an attempt to discredit anything you might have to say about other, more serious, matters.


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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #53 on: October 13, 2023, 10:35:17 PM »
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  • I just read his post and it's nonsense.  Commercial airliners can now travel close to 10,000 miles without refueling.  Even on the FE map, the entire circuмference (tracing Antarctica) would be 60,000 miles.

    https://thepointsguy.com/news/the-worlds-longest-nonstop-flights-updated/

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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #54 on: October 13, 2023, 10:45:31 PM »
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  • Really, the horizon line not dropping is incredibly compelling.  One of the things that has always struck me is that if you've ever seen that footage from those amateur balloons at 120,000 feet ... if you were to look from one end of the state of Kansas to the other side, lengthwise, there would be a curvature "drop" of ... nearly 120,000 feet, the same as the altitude of those balloons (flying at 4x the height of commercial airliners).  That kind of a "bulge" or "curve" would absolutely be noticeable from those very balloons.

    There have been dozens of laser tests conducted over many miles (I think the longest distance was like 27 miles), photogaphs taken by non-FE amateur photogaphers of the Alps from 700 miles away, where they should have been hidden by 85 MILES of curvature, photograph of a lighthouse that stands 150 feet above sea level at its top (again by a non-FE) from something like 230 miles away when it too should have been hidden by miles of curvature, the tests done by Dr. John D (publicly and pre-announced) where he conducted a two-way laser experiment, which blows away the "refraction" nonsense, since an increase in air density in one direction would mean a decrease in the other direction and therefore upward refraction (but both lasers were spotted), Dr. John D's "black swan" wind turbine videos, the world-record 800-mile "line of sight" UHF signal beam, the 237-mile "line of sight" microwave broadband connection over the Mediterranean, and on and on and on.  Unless someone could posit an alternative theory about why this happens besides "refraction" about how light always bends around the "globe" due to some kind of electromagnetic force, then ... apart from such an explanation ... the "globe" is dead in the water.

    The nαzιs had a VHF or UHF (line of sight) radar they used to guide their planes during the bombing of Britain. If the earth weren't flat, the radio guides wouldn't have worked. VHF and UHF don't bounce off the ionosphere (firmament?) or the ground, like lower frequency radio signals do.

    There are so many proofs of Flat Earth, but I'm reminded of a quote: "For the believer, no proof is necessary. For the atheist, no amount of proof is enough."

    I wouldn't go so far as to say no proof is necessary for me -- I'm not a "believer" but a rational person who is also grounded in reality. I'm going to think for myself and ask unconventional questions. When scientists get crazy and go off in left field, building castles in the sky, someone needs to ground them with pointed questions like the little boy who (alone) said: "The emperor doesn't have any clothes on at all!"

    Because one thing I've noticed: they have an excuse for everything. The catch: it's a lame excuse that doesn't hold water. But it sounds good. ALWAYS. Until you think about it, or apply common sense.

    Like the 100 foot by 100 foot column of thin air above JFK airport. Somehow those sparse molecules of oxygen, even 30,000 feet up, are each attached to the ground beneath it like an iron bar connected them! Does that seem reasonable? Not to me.

    And if the earth is a spinning ball with gravity and outer space, why can't man go into space with "spaceships" even for short periods? Because everything NASA has ever done has been falsified (proven false). And why can't NASA go up and take a single PHOTO of the globe earth? It's always a computer generated image. I could go on for hours, but I won't.
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #55 on: October 13, 2023, 10:52:35 PM »
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  • LoRa radio signal (line of sight) goes 830 miles -- proof of flat earth:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/files/830milelora.mkv

    Rockets going sideways, even down, instead of up -- adults rationalize and deceive themselves, while a child has common sense:
    https://www.cathinfo.com/files/ItLooksBadToMe.mkv

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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #56 on: October 13, 2023, 10:53:36 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholics have believed the earth was a globe for nearly 2,000 years. Particularly since the age of discovery, when it actually became a relevant and practical question what the shape of the earth is, the traditional Catholics of those times constantly portrayed the earth as a globe, and have done so ever since. And using this portrayal they were able to navigate successfully to the smallest islands in the most remote parts of the earth.

    Flat earth belief among traditional Catholics is a historical anomaly peculiar to only the last ten or twenty years. I had never heard of trads thinking the earth was flat as recently as a decade ago, and the movement has particularly grown in the last few years. Of the flat earthers on this forum, I suspect almost none of them believed the earth was flat ten years ago.

    From a historical perspective, the idea is an intellectual fad. None of the Catholic kings, scholars, explorers, or conquistadors in the age of discovery or after ever thought the earth was anything but a globe. So I don't think it's accurate to lump globism in with evolution, old universe, aliens, or any other pagan error.
    The closest you are coming to the truth is by use of the term " age of discovery":  IT IS COLUMBUS -- almost by himself-- who shows us that E is a globe,,,, :popcorn:
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #57 on: October 14, 2023, 09:37:34 AM »
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  • Scripture is a flat earth book.  The globe earth has never been able to be reconciled with any passages, although there are feeble attempts to suggest contradictory things. Like the sun doesn't really move, the earth spins. Or that there really are no "ends" to the earth. Or that there is no water above the firmament. So, the globe theory is casually accepted by people who are ignorant or contemptuous of God's Word by suggesting Scripture isn't about science or geography or that the writers were ignorant or mistaken.  Pope Leo XIII called such notions "surely fallacious", "wrong and forbidden" and without equivocation, the pope declared it a matter of faith in all aspects because the Holy Spirit is the author.  This means globe earthers have to reconcile their model with Scripture before it can be taken seriously.

    The paragraphs below provide the official teaching of the Catholic Church and if it is too far above someone to understand these teachings, or, if they are ignorant about the relevant passages in Scripture they are contradicting, they have no business arguing against flat earth, let alone in favor of the globe, nor is it an unimportant matter. 

      Galileo would have us believe that there is an absolute separation in Holy Scripture between matters of faith and morals and matters pertaining to the physical sciences. That such is not at all the case, Pope Benedict XV assures us in Spiritus Paraclitus (Sept. 15, 1920):... by these precepts and limits [set by the Fathers of the Church] the opinion of the more recent critics is not restrained, who, after introducing a distinction between the primary or religious element of Scripture, and the secondary or profane, wish, indeed, that inspiration itself pertain to all the ideas, rather even to the individual words of the Bible, but that its effects and especially immunity from error and absolute truth be contracted and narrowed to the primary or religious element. For their belief is that that only which concerns religion is intended and is taught by God in the Scriptures; but that the rest, which pertains to the profane disciplines and serves revealed doctrine as a kind of external cloak of divine truth, is only permitted and is left to the feebleness of the writer. It is not surprising then, if in physical, historical, and other similar affairs a great many things occur in the Bible, which cannot at all be reconciled with the progress of the fine arts of this age. There are those who contend that these fabrications of opinions are not in opposition to the prescriptions of our predecessor [Leo XIII] since he declared that the sacred writer in matters of nature speaks according to external appearance, surely fallacious. But how rashly, how falsely this is affirmed, is plainly evident from the very words of the Pontiff.

    Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus (1893), paragraph numbers 124-127.(16)It may also happen that the sense of a passage remains ambiguous, and in this case good hermeneutical methods will greatly assist in clearing up the obscurity. But it is absolutely wrong and forbidden either to narrow inspiration to certain parts only of Holy Scripture or to admit that the sacred author has erred. As to the system of those who, in order to rid themselves of these difficulties, do not hesitate to concede that divine inspiration regards the things of faith and morals, and nothing beyond, because (as they wrongly think,) in a question of the truth or falsehood of a passage we should consider not so much what God has said as the reason and purpose which He had in mind in saying it -- this system cannot be tolerated.For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Spirit; and so far is it from being possible that any error can coexist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true.This is the ancient and unchanging faith of the Church, solemnly defined in the Councils of Florence and of Trent, and finally confirmed and more expressly formulated by the Council of the Vatican. These are the words of the last:The books of the Old and New Testament, whole and entire, with all their parts, ... are to be received as sacred and canonical. And the Church holds them as sacred and canonical not because, having been composed by human industry, they were afterwards approved by her authority; nor only because they contain revelation without errors, but because, having been written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God for their Author.


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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #58 on: October 14, 2023, 10:27:35 AM »
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  • Scripture is a flat earth book.  


    This is getting really out of hand. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #59 on: October 14, 2023, 10:36:17 AM »
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  • This is getting really out of hand. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
    Read the Church's teaching provided.  If you're unaware Scripture is a flat earth book, perhaps you should read that too.