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Offline Matthew

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The Earth is Flat
« on: October 12, 2023, 09:01:04 AM »
I understand that many truth-seekers need to have thick skin these days, with the whole world (almost) against you.

However, that being said, sometimes it's TOO MUCH when fellow Trad Catholics start throwing the same mindless ad-hominems, vomiting the same talking points at you, as your ignorant non-Catholic co-workers and family members. I can understand why this leads to some occasional emotion and/or frustration!

It's one thing to have an opinion. But you don't have to consider your opponent bad-willed or stupid. Those aren't the only options. Especially a subject which is difficult to ascertain the truth about.

For those who dismiss Flat Earth as "way out there" or "crazy", what makes you so sure? Because "everyone" thinks that? How many times have you been to outer space? Have you gone up in a rocket and seen the "globe earth"? Have you ever observed "the curve" in ANY way? Somehow I doubt it. You're just vomiting what you were taught in public school. Even Protestant and Catholic schools have fallen for the lie, as the Globe Earth is the Big Lie that's dominated everyone for so long.

Why don't you give your brother in Christ the benefit of the doubt? There is PLENTY of reason to do so. Just for starters: which is more compatible with the devil's lies?

Imagine a puzzle:
On one side you have two index cards, Flat Earth and Globe Earth.

On the other side you have TWO OPPOSING CAMPS:
outer space/aliens/atheistic evolution/billions of years/earth is nothing special/transhumanism/possibility of true generalized AI/the Singularity/Climate Crisis

the Bible/the Firmament/Man was created in God's image, the only intelligent life in the physical realm/the Flood/Adam and Eve/personal Creation by God/Man can't destroy Earth; God will destroy Earth by fire at the end of the world

You tell me, with a straight face, which group Globe Earth belongs in -- and which one Flat Earth belongs in.

Until the Crisis in the Church, we didn't have a group of stubborn truth seekers willing to believe in the International J3w|sh conspiracy to dominate the world and bring about the NWO and Antichrist. Trads are jaded enough with governments and Church authorities to be willing to question things that were formerly never questioned. That is the crux of the matter.

Trads see the big picture. They know what it's like to be outnumbered but 100% in possession of the objective truth.

Offline Matthew

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Re: The Earth is Flat
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2023, 09:03:05 AM »
My point?

What I can't stand are logical fallacies. And instantly siding with NASA, wicked governments, Google, Apple, Wikipedia, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, and Bill Nye over your brother in Christ, your fellow Catholic, WITHOUT EVEN CONSIDERING that MAYBE HE'S RIGHT.

Ad Hominem - "You're stupid. You're a moron"
Bandwagon - "Everyone believes the Earth is a globe. NASA, governments, Google, Apple, Wikipedia, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Bill Nye!"
Begging the Question - "The Earth is clearly a globe, because how else do you explain The Curve?"

Sorry, but as a Trad, the Bandwagon doesn't work on me. If it did, I'd be attending the Novus Ordo at my local parish.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: The Earth is Flat
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2023, 09:07:49 AM »
My point?

What I can't stand are logical fallacies.

THIS^^^.  When I get frustrated here, it's almost always due to logical fallacies.  And you listed the main ones for FE, ad hominems and petitio principii (begging the question) in particular.  There's also the argumentum ab auctoritate, argument from so-called "authority", which is related to bandwagon.  So the anti-FEs blend these 3/4 fallacies masterfully.

At the end of the day, I just want to know the truth, and if I saw evidence proving the earth was a globe, well, then I'd change my mind, and my life would go on largely unaffected.  But don't throw the fallacies at me.  To me, the fact that so many cling to the globe using fallacies also speaks to the fact that we've been brainwashed and mind-controlled and programmed into believing the earth is a globe, and it's hard for some people to let go.  We saw the globe on our kindergarten teacher's desk and our first science project was creating a solar system model with styrofoam balls.  Heck, many infant mobiles are ball-solar-system representations.  Then we see pictures of globes everywhere, and the movies are filled with space themes with the globe assumption.  Some FE put together a video interviewing Globe Earth believers on the street to present their best evidence for the globe ... if they couldn't use "NASA" as their evidence.  Of the 20 or so, a single person even made an attempt, and his proof was the one of boats appearing to disappear over the horizon.  That was it.

Re: The Earth is Flat
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2023, 09:24:07 AM »
Satan is the father of lies. It seems he's been "loosed" for a while now. And he's a much older, much "smarter," much higher-ordered creature than us. Fooling us is easy... 

I don't know if the earth is flat or not and I'm not uncomfortable holding the "I don't know" position. 

I'm much closer to certainty on geocentrism.

The modern Tychos Model (Brahe's model with the updated caveat that the Sun & Mars [red dwarf] are a binary pair) aligns flawlessly with the observable, while the heliocentric models (with strange eliptical planetary orbits--except Mars with its highly irregular orbit) are full of logical leaps and verbose justifications/explinations. 

Offline Yeti

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Re: The Earth is Flat
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2023, 09:24:47 AM »
Traditional Catholics have believed the earth was a globe for nearly 2,000 years. Particularly since the age of discovery, when it actually became a relevant and practical question what the shape of the earth is, the traditional Catholics of those times constantly portrayed the earth as a globe, and have done so ever since. And using this portrayal they were able to navigate successfully to the smallest islands in the most remote parts of the earth.

Flat earth belief among traditional Catholics is a historical anomaly peculiar to only the last ten or twenty years. I had never heard of trads thinking the earth was flat as recently as a decade ago, and the movement has particularly grown in the last few years. Of the flat earthers on this forum, I suspect almost none of them believed the earth was flat ten years ago.

From a historical perspective, the idea is an intellectual fad. None of the Catholic kings, scholars, explorers, or conquistadors in the age of discovery or after ever thought the earth was anything but a globe. So I don't think it's accurate to lump globism in with evolution, old universe, aliens, or any other pagan error.