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Re: The Earth is Flat
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2023, 06:41:37 PM »
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  • Horrible video proof. The marker the guy uses is a reflection of a building on the ground. If they are moving away from the ground, the reflection of what's on the ground will also change. And it is an unsteady video, and short, low altitude ascent. Figuring out what is optical illusion and how things would really look on a globe earth without error are beyond most people's abilities. Let us not open ourselves to being so easily deceived by things that are of relatively little importance to our purpose in life.

    Youtube is bizarre.  In my own library history, it won't pull up any flat earth videos I've watched in the past.  It will only pull up debunker videos.  I have to remember the name of the video or the channel and search it out all over again.  Why? :confused:


    Anyway, here is the original video. 


    1min 51 secs




    It's not a reflection.  It's very clear and real life demonstration of something that can only happen on a flat plane and not on a ball.

    It shows how the vanishing point perspective rises as you rise in altitude just like the other demo video with the rising balloon I showed.

    Here, the graphics were improved in this one:
    1min 4sec




    On a ball, the horizon line would drop down lower and lower as you rise higher and higher.  

    But that never happens.



    Vanishing point.  Not curve.


    The horizon line is not from the curve but from your visual limitations.

    It rises as you rise which can only happen on a flat plane.

    On a ball it would drop down lower.

    Artists understand this.  The three drawings below are from a graphic design website.  What do you think is happening with the horizon line in these three drawings? 




    The graphic design instructor explains:


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    In this illustration, the horizon line is where the blue sky meets the brown street.
    Perhaps in the left hand drawing the viewer is sitting on the sidewalk, so the horizon line is low.  In the right hand drawing the viewer is standing on the roof of a building, therefor the horizon line is higher
    https://graphicdesign2013.blogs.kpbsd.k12.ak.us/2013/03/06/perspective-scene/

    On a ball earth, the horizon line would be the exact opposite.  The line for the person sitting on the ground would be low and the person on the roof top would be higher.


    According to the ball earth Drop chart the horizon line 100 miles away should DROP down over a mile below you.  It doesn't.

    Distance
    Curvature

    1 mile
    0.00013 miles = 0.67 feet

    2 miles
    0.00051 miles = 2.67 feet

    5 miles
    0.00316 miles = 16.67 feet

    10 miles
    0.01263 miles = 66.69 feet

    20 miles
    0.05052 miles = 266.75 feet

    50 miles
    0.31575 miles = 1667.17 feet

    100 miles
    1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet

    200 miles
    5.05102 miles = 26669.37 feet

    500 miles
    31.5336 miles = 166497.53 feet

    1000 miles
    125.632 miles = 663337.65 feet







    This is also why you "level out" when you reach cruising altitude otherwise you would have to adjust the plane nose down

    and after flying 500 miles the plane would have to adjust downwards

    31 miles!!

    Have you ever felt your plane going nose down?  Say a quick act of contrition if you do!




    The horizon line RISES to eye level and doesn't DROP. 

    That's the opposite of what would happen if you were rising above a ball.



    I don't like calling people names, but the photos in this meme demonstrate it further.

    You should not even see a horizon line in the top photo.  It should have dropped away below you as you look out over the ball.








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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #31 on: October 12, 2023, 06:42:26 PM »
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  • Right.  When I said that it wouldn't affect how I live my life, I was just speaking about myself (and about others who have the Catholic faith).

    But it matters tremendously for the general public.

    Let's just assume for a minute that the Earth is in fact flat, and has a firmament covering it.  It would be nearly impossible to persuade any thinking person that it all happened by chance and without an Intelligent Designer.  When you have swirling balls coalescing into spheres as the basis of your cosmology, combined with "gravity", you can try to explain it as just swirling motion that creates order out of the chaos.  Big Bang and all the other atheistic science nonsense absolutely requires a globe earth.  And that's precisely why they've engaged in hiding FE ... in addition to the alien agenda that they've been planning.

    There are a couple of notable Flat Earthers who had been atheists but came to believe in God solely due to their having become convinced of the Flat Earth.  How many millions have lost their faith, or at least natural belief in God, which would put them closer to the faith, due to the modern "science" that a Father Paul Robinson extols as some kind of idol.  So, yes, it does matter.
    100 yes. The enemy has engaged in psy ops for centuries in preparation for the final decpetion -- the fake, staged, "alien" invasion which is built on a foundation of
    atheism which forms the foundation for the lies of:

    old earth which is necessary to support evolution
    and
    evolution which is falsely "supported" by old earth.

    Both of these lies form the foundation for the lies of:
    globe earth spinning on its axis,
    spinning around the sun with "planets",
    spinning around in the "galaxy"
    galaxies which are spinning around.

    These lies froms the foundation for Big Lie that
    innumerable possibilites for alien life to exist outside of earth.
    Another lie of the enemy is that we must have "humility" to believe that when Jesus died on the Cross for us, it applied only to one small corner of the universe.

    All of these lies form a cohesive lie which forms the foundation for the lies needed for the fake, staged, "alien" invasion.

    Previous discussions on CI have cited Vatican Jesuit astronomers who have repeatedly supported the lies of "alien" life and have said "Maybe they will Baptise us."
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #32 on: October 12, 2023, 06:45:06 PM »
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #33 on: October 12, 2023, 06:50:31 PM »
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  • Youtube is bizarre.  In my own library history, it won't pull up any flat earth videos I've watched in the past.  It will only pull up debunker videos.  I have to remember the name of the video or the channel and search it out all over again.  Why? :confused:
    Youtube is owned by globalists who are in on the Big Lie.

    Those who control the past control the present.
    Those who control the present control the future.
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #34 on: October 12, 2023, 07:08:55 PM »
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  • Youtube is bizarre.  In my own library history, it won't pull up any flat earth videos I've watched in the past.  It will only pull up debunker videos.  I have to remember the name of the video or the channel and search it out all over again.  Why? :confused:


    Anyway, here is the original video. 


    1min 51 secs




    It's not a reflection.  It's very clear and real life demonstration of something that can only happen on a flat plane and not on a ball.

    It shows how the vanishing point perspective rises as you rise in altitude just like the other demo video with the rising balloon I showed.

    Here, the graphics were improved in this one:
    1min 4sec




    On a ball, the horizon line would drop down lower and lower as you rise higher and higher. 

    But that never happens.



    Vanishing point.  Not curve.


    The horizon line is not from the curve but from your visual limitations.

    It rises as you rise which can only happen on a flat plane.

    On a ball it would drop down lower.

    Artists understand this.  The three drawings below are from a graphic design website.  What do you think is happening with the horizon line in these three drawings? 




    The graphic design instructor explains:

    https://graphicdesign2013.blogs.kpbsd.k12.ak.us/2013/03/06/perspective-scene/

    On a ball earth, the horizon line would be the exact opposite.  The line for the person sitting on the ground would be low and the person on the roof top would be higher.


    According to the ball earth Drop chart the horizon line 100 miles away should DROP down over a mile below you.  It doesn't.

    Distance
    Curvature

    1 mile
    0.00013 miles = 0.67 feet

    2 miles
    0.00051 miles = 2.67 feet

    5 miles
    0.00316 miles = 16.67 feet

    10 miles
    0.01263 miles = 66.69 feet

    20 miles
    0.05052 miles = 266.75 feet

    50 miles
    0.31575 miles = 1667.17 feet

    100 miles
    1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet

    200 miles
    5.05102 miles = 26669.37 feet

    500 miles
    31.5336 miles = 166497.53 feet

    1000 miles
    125.632 miles = 663337.65 feet







    This is also why you "level out" when you reach cruising altitude otherwise you would have to adjust the plane nose down

    and after flying 500 miles the plane would have to adjust downwards

    31 miles!!

    Have you ever felt your plane going nose down?  Say a quick act of contrition if you do!




    The horizon line RISES to eye level and doesn't DROP. 

    That's the opposite of what would happen if you were rising above a ball.



    I don't like calling people names, but the photos in this meme demonstrate it further.

    You should not even see a horizon line in the top photo.  It should have dropped away below you as you look out over the ball.








    Ah, yes, I remember that old post which I refuted back in the day.  I will admit I misinterpreted which white line he was talking about in the video, but that doesn't matter. It's unfortunate that pictures and videos are so poor at conveying 3D details even if they were noticeable under the conditions in the examples you use. I know, because I am often disappointed by the image quality of things I want a picture of. Details that I could see in person become practically impossible to see in a picture. "Perspective not magic" can just as easily be used to argue against flat earth, but I'd rather spend my time doing something useful like memorizing St. James' epistle.


    "Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect."
    "Seek first the kingdom of Heaven..."
    "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment"


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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #35 on: October 12, 2023, 07:48:31 PM »
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  • Youtube is bizarre.  In my own library history, it won't pull up any flat earth videos I've watched in the past.  It will only pull up debunker videos.  I have to remember the name of the video or the channel and search it out all over again.  Why? :confused:


    Anyway, here is the original video. 


    1min 51 secs




    It's not a reflection.  It's very clear and real life demonstration of something that can only happen on a flat plane and not on a ball.

    It shows how the vanishing point perspective rises as you rise in altitude just like the other demo video with the rising balloon I showed.

    Here, the graphics were improved in this one:
    1min 4sec




    On a ball, the horizon line would drop down lower and lower as you rise higher and higher. 

    But that never happens.



    Vanishing point.  Not curve.


    The horizon line is not from the curve but from your visual limitations.

    It rises as you rise which can only happen on a flat plane.

    On a ball it would drop down lower.

    Artists understand this.  The three drawings below are from a graphic design website.  What do you think is happening with the horizon line in these three drawings? 




    The graphic design instructor explains:

    https://graphicdesign2013.blogs.kpbsd.k12.ak.us/2013/03/06/perspective-scene/

    On a ball earth, the horizon line would be the exact opposite.  The line for the person sitting on the ground would be low and the person on the roof top would be higher.


    According to the ball earth Drop chart the horizon line 100 miles away should DROP down over a mile below you.  It doesn't.

    Distance
    Curvature

    1 mile
    0.00013 miles = 0.67 feet

    2 miles
    0.00051 miles = 2.67 feet

    5 miles
    0.00316 miles = 16.67 feet

    10 miles
    0.01263 miles = 66.69 feet

    20 miles
    0.05052 miles = 266.75 feet

    50 miles
    0.31575 miles = 1667.17 feet

    100 miles
    1.26296 miles = 6668.41 feet

    200 miles
    5.05102 miles = 26669.37 feet

    500 miles
    31.5336 miles = 166497.53 feet

    1000 miles
    125.632 miles = 663337.65 feet







    This is also why you "level out" when you reach cruising altitude otherwise you would have to adjust the plane nose down

    and after flying 500 miles the plane would have to adjust downwards

    31 miles!!

    Have you ever felt your plane going nose down?  Say a quick act of contrition if you do!




    The horizon line RISES to eye level and doesn't DROP. 

    That's the opposite of what would happen if you were rising above a ball.



    I don't like calling people names, but the photos in this meme demonstrate it further.

    You should not even see a horizon line in the top photo.  It should have dropped away below you as you look out over the ball.














    Oops, I misstated this:


    The graphic design instructor explains:

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    In this illustration, the horizon line is where the blue sky meets the brown street.

    Perhaps in the left hand drawing the viewer is sitting on the sidewalk, so the horizon line is low.  In the right hand drawing the viewer is standing on the roof of a building, therefor the horizon line is higher
    https://graphicdesign2013.blogs.kpbsd.k12.ak.us/2013/03/06/perspective-scene/



    I said:
    On a ball earth, the horizon line would be the exact opposite.  The line for the person sitting on the ground would be low and the person on the roof top would be higher.



    That should say:

    On a ball earth the line for the person sitting on the ground would be high (like the drawing on the right)

    and it would be low if you were on a rooftop (like the drawing on the left)

    because it would DROP lower and lower as you get higher up.

    Imagine if you are standing on top of a basketball.  It gets lower and lower the farther away from you it extends and this would be magnified if you gained altitude.



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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #36 on: October 12, 2023, 07:49:55 PM »
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  • Sorry, but the real indoctrination from the film was the push of the false idea that in the middle ages it was commonly believed that the Earth was flat. This was a falsehood perpetrated by Washington Irving in his embellished life of Christopher Columbus. BTW: His biography of Columbus also highlights his prejudice against the Catholic Church.

    That's funny, I constantly find historical proof that Christendom knew the earth was flat.  From Enoch, to St. Augustine to St. Hildegard of Bingen, plus dozens of saints and Fathers of the Church, not to mention the digression on the subject by greats like Robert Bellarmine against heliocentrism in the 1600's, a position supported by at least 3 popes at the time, but also the fascinating typology expounded on by early saints likening the flat earth to a house, church architecture, the mass, the Ark of the Covenant, Noah's Ark and the Temple. Until the globe indoctrination escalated in the 15th century, the idea that earth was a globe was found largely in the pagan philosophies while the rest of the Christian world accepted the biblical view.  So, while Irving was only reiterating common knowledge against the encroaching indoctrination of a globe earth, even if he was anti-Catholic, he echoed the common understanding of saints, the Fathers of the Church, Scripture of course, and supported the reasonable history of truth against the pagan fantasies anti-Catholic lying NASA promotes to this day.  

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    Re: The Earth is Flat
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #38 on: October 12, 2023, 08:04:50 PM »
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  • Ah, yes, I remember that old post which I refuted back in the day.  I will admit I misinterpreted which white line he was talking about in the video, but that doesn't matter. It's unfortunate that pictures and videos are so poor at conveying 3D details even if they were noticeable under the conditions in the examples you use. I know, because I am often disappointed by the image quality of things I want a picture of. Details that I could see in person become practically impossible to see in a picture. "Perspective not magic" can just as easily be used to argue against flat earth, but I'd rather spend my time doing something useful like memorizing St. James' epistle.
    Pretty decent argument against pursuing flat earth "truth" AND sedevacantism.

    It's clear that the enemy is running rampant and we're living under severe chastisements... 

    Outside of recognizing these truths, making reparations and clinging to the traditional mass and sacraments wherever we can access them, does anything else really matter?

    Not saying I'm 100% with you, but I certainly ain't against you.

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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #39 on: October 12, 2023, 08:05:47 PM »
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  • Traditional Catholics have believed the earth was a globe for nearly 2,000 years. Particularly since the age of discovery, when it actually became a relevant and practical question what the shape of the earth is, the traditional Catholics of those times constantly portrayed the earth as a globe, and have done so ever since. And using this portrayal they were able to navigate successfully to the smallest islands in the most remote parts of the earth.

    Flat earth belief among traditional Catholics is a historical anomaly peculiar to only the last ten or twenty years. I had never heard of trads thinking the earth was flat as recently as a decade ago, and the movement has particularly grown in the last few years. Of the flat earthers on this forum, I suspect almost none of them believed the earth was flat ten years ago.

    From a historical perspective, the idea is an intellectual fad. None of the Catholic kings, scholars, explorers, or conquistadors in the age of discovery or after ever thought the earth was anything but a globe. So I don't think it's accurate to lump globism in with evolution, old universe, aliens, or any other pagan error.

    I actually stopped believing in the spinning globe back in the 90's when I worked as a flight attendant.

    I felt like I was the only person in the world asking questions about things such as:

    -Flying times being about the same going east to west and west to east when the earth is spinning below us

    -Why we flew over the northern arctic when it was wayyyy out of the way.  (when I saw a FE map years later it all made sense)

    -Why we can easily feel the plane lean aft, port or starboard but never ever nose down when the earth is dropping below us and if we don't make adjustments and fly level we will end up flying straight out into space

    -How planes can fly upside down over Australia :confused:

    -Why from the cockpit of a 747 over the Pacific at 30,000 feet we still couldn't see that curve that hides tall ships.  I really wanted to see for myself how water could curve but it wasn't there.

    and more.

    One of the pilots told me I would have to be a Freemason to understand.    Whaaaa?

    I didn't have the internet to look these things up or see if anybody else out there was asking the same questions. 

    It's the same with the moon landings and evolution and other lies.

    People who questioned the narrative felt alone and crazy.

    Now with the internet people are able to share info and they know they are not the only ones asking logical questions about the lies we are told.

    That plus the Nikon p900 shows people they can see too far.  They can see things that should be hidden beneath the curve.

    I exposed AB Vigano's public meetings with Crowleyan Satanist Dugin so I ask protection on myself family friends priest, under the Blood of Jesus Christ and mantle of the Blessed Virgin Mary! If harm comes to any of us may that embolden the faithful to speak out all the more so Catholics are not deceived.



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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #40 on: October 12, 2023, 08:08:10 PM »
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  • Pretty decent argument against pursuing flat earth "truth" AND sedevacantism.

    It's clear that the enemy is running rampant and we're living under severe chastisements...

    Outside of recognizing these truths, making reparations and clinging to the traditional mass and sacraments wherever we can access them, does anything else really matter?

    Not saying I'm 100% with you, but I certainly ain't against you.


    Sadly, this is what keeps people in the Novus Ordo and believing aliens can be baptized

    and Trump's Space Farce is going to save us all!
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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #41 on: October 13, 2023, 12:21:57 AM »
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  • Pretty decent argument against pursuing flat earth "truth" AND sedevacantism.

    It's clear that the enemy is running rampant and we're living under severe chastisements...

    Outside of recognizing these truths, making reparations and clinging to the traditional mass and sacraments wherever we can access them, does anything else really matter?

    Not saying I'm 100% with you, but I certainly ain't against you.
    Ah yes, one of those "truth is a distraction" types.

    Sure, don't look into FE, but you're going to regret bitterly that you recognized antichrists as popes and the abomination of desolation as the Mass.

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    Re: The Earth is Flat
    « Reply #42 on: October 13, 2023, 01:25:31 AM »
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  • Ah yes, one of those "truth is a distraction" types.

    Sure, don't look into FE, but you're going to regret bitterly that you recognized antichrists as popes and the abomination of desolation as the Mass.
    I disagree with them being bitter for recognising a heretic Pope, as lay people aren't clergy, it's one thing for a lay person to think a heretic can be Pope as it's not really expected for them to be able to do anything about it, the clergy should be doing something..., it's another thing entirely to agree with a heretic Pope in his heresies.

    However I do think the new mass is a big problem and much worse than the Pope question.

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    A challenge to CI Flat Earthers - $10,000 reward
    « Reply #43 on: October 13, 2023, 01:31:55 PM »
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  • https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=31104.0

    From poster Greg:


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    I've just signed a new client, so have a little extra cash.

    CathInfo has a flat earth thread so here is my challenge for $10,000 plus all their travel costs paid.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-earth-god-made-flat-earth-geocentrism/the-earth-is-flat/

    All commercial jets fly through the air and carry a maximum amount of fuel.  The maximum range of these jets are known and widely published.  The jet used to make every flight is easily established by looking at it from the outside and its serial number.  All such jets are tracked in real time.  Everyone on this forum and Cathinfo can follow it.

    Cathinfo members discuss debate and agree on a flat earth map which is as close as possible to the flat earth they believe to exist and an impossible scheduled flight, such as Chile to Australia, which would require refuelling because the straight line distance on a flat earth is beyond the range of that or any aircraft.  Probably a southern hemisphere flight but they can pick any flight they wish that is impossible on a flat earth.

    If the world is flat then for this scheduled flight to happen they either need to be refuelled in mid-air or land at a secret South Pacific location and re-fuel.  Otherwise the plane would run out of fuel and crash into the sea.

    Cathinfo members take that flight and they make a timestamped video recording of the refuelling aircraft getting into position easily visible from the windows or their refuelling stop in the secret island.

    If the video evidence is produced I will pay for their travel costs and give CathInfo $10,000 which Matthew can distribute as he sees fit.  If they cannot produce that evidence and the flight lands after a single take off and landing, then Cathinfo must admit that the world is a globe and pick up the cost of the flights themselves.

    I'm banned from the website, for pointing out Matthew did not know how to read his water-meter, so someone who is not banned is welcome to post my offer on there.

    If they don't take this offer up, then given that Matthew is always asking for funds to run the website, one can assume that they are not sincere about "seeking the truth", which is what Matthew CLAIMS to be in the opening post on the thread listed above.

    If I've missed anything or this does not constitute a proof, then please feel free to point out the error.


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