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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2022, 06:37:07 AM »
E rev around S :popcorn:

Cassini is a LIAR as I have posted numerous times that S is in motion,...

First of all let us see what Pope Paul V, as Prefect of the Holy Office and the only authority that could approve and order decrees of the Holy Office, put out in 1616 for all Catholics to obey:

(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by [all] the Fathers and theologians.”
(2) “That the Earth is not the centre of the world, and moves as a whole, and also with a diurnal movement,” was unanimously declared “to deserve the same censure philosophically, and, theologically considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Now roscoe, your ‘E rev around S’ asserts the Earth revolves around the sun. This is ‘erroneous to the Catholic faith’ for starters, and by any definition the heresy as defined. 

Now what kind of movement of the sun was it heresy to deny?  The movement ‘as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages,’ So, let us see one of those passages:

One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the Earth standeth forever. The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again, maketh his round by the south, and turneth again to the north: the spirit goeth forward, surveying all places round about, and returneth to his circuits..” --- (Eccl. 1:4-7, 10).
           
So, here the Bible reveals the Sun revolves around the Earth, not roscoe’s E rev around a moving S.

So then, roscoe, when you tell readers of CIF that ‘Cassini is a liar as I have posted numerous times that S is in motion,’ what motion of the sun do you think will make me a liar and your quip not heresy? It certainly isn’t the sun’s rotation as that was known by all in 1616. So again roscoe, what movement of the sun renders you not guilty of the above quoted heresy with your constant ‘S rev around S?’

Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2022, 07:24:05 AM »
My understanding is that Focault pendulum is proof E rotates on axis. It is James Bradley( along w/ Newton) who proves E rev around S... :popcorn:

Am i the only one in the Forum who has ACTUALLY READ Copernicus? :confused:

The Tolstoy Syndrome

‘I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truths if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives.’

‘The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.’ --- Leo Tolstoy.

Roscoe, have you ever heard of Albert Einstein? Well, when the 1887 interferometer found no sign of an orbiting Earth, it took 19 years to get someone who could save your E rev around S. In order to save heliocentrism from scientific falsification, Einstein had to admit that geocentrism had NEVER been proven false. In other worlds, the science of cosmology now admits that Bradley’s 1726 find of stellar aberration, Bessell’s 1838 find of stellar parallax, and Foucault’s 1851 pendulum proved nothing as a geocentric universe can explain all of the above.

In other words, one can believe in Einstein’s and all the atheists’ Big Bang Special Theory of Relativity, falsified many times, or one can believe in the 1616 decree of the Catholic Church that defined the Bible reveals a geocentric universe created supernaturally as confirmed by the Council of Trent and all the Fathers. All the popes since Pius VII at least probably preferred Einstein’s account, so you are in good company. For me and others we will go along with God’s revelation, and you can stick with Einstein and others.

And what in God’s name has your question ‘Am I the only one on the forum who has ACTUALLY READ Copernicus’ got to do with it? I have. This book proved nothing and that is why it was rejected in 1524 when he issued an unsigned and untitled manuscript later named Commentariolus or ‘Little Commentary.’ And here is why it was never put on the Index.

‘And if [this book] constructs and thinks up causes - and it has certainly thought up a good many - nevertheless it does not think them up in order to persuade anyone of their truth but only that they provide a correct basis for calculation… Maybe the philosopher demands probability instead; but neither of them will grasp anything certain or hand it on, unless it has been divinely revealed to him.’ --- De rev


Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2022, 09:34:35 AM »
 
First of all let us see what Pope Paul V, as Prefect of the Holy Office and the only authority that could approve and order decrees of the Holy Office, put out in 1616 for all Catholics to obey:

(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by [all] the Fathers and theologians.”
(2) “That the Earth is not the centre of the world, and moves as a whole, and also with a diurnal movement,” was unanimously declared “to deserve the same censure philosophically, and, theologically considered to be at least erroneous in faith.”

Now roscoe, your ‘E rev around S’ asserts the Earth revolves around the sun. This is ‘erroneous to the Catholic faith’ for starters, and by any definition the heresy as defined.

Now what kind of movement of the sun was it heresy to deny?  The movement ‘as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages,’ So, let us see one of those passages:

One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the Earth standeth forever. The sun riseth, and goeth down, and returneth to his place: and there rising again, maketh his round by the south, and turneth again to the north: the spirit goeth forward, surveying all places round about, and returneth to his circuits..” --- (Eccl. 1:4-7, 10).
           
So, here the Bible reveals the Sun revolves around the Earth, not roscoe’s E rev around a moving S.

So then, roscoe, when you tell readers of CIF that ‘Cassini is a liar as I have posted numerous times that S is in motion,’ what motion of the sun do you think will make me a liar and your quip not heresy? It certainly isn’t the sun’s rotation as that was known by all in 1616. So again roscoe, what movement of the sun renders you not guilty of the above quoted heresy with your constant ‘S rev around S?’

roscoe is confirmed a heretic :clown::popcorn:

Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2022, 12:23:27 PM »
:laugh2:

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #24 on: July 14, 2022, 03:29:28 PM »
Here is an analysis of the the Church's teaching on the subject throughout history, and what is considered heretical. https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/geocentrism-heliocentrism-galileo/  I found it a good read, but lengthy with the extra BOD stuff added in.