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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2022, 10:57:36 AM »

Offline Yeti

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2022, 05:46:07 PM »
First, why would anybody give your comment a thumbs down Yeti? You put your point across and asked a question.
My answer is that the centre of something does not mean the mathematical centre. From Earth we see the sun is one astronomical unit away from us. Now the stars must, in a geocentric universe created by God, be aligned to the stars, a ball of stars that circle the Earth every day and year. It is this sun-stars movement around the Earth that causes both stellar aberration and parallax to be seen from the Earth. All go around the Earth so the Earth is at the centre of this movement.
Thank you cassini. If I remember Sungenis's video, I think he explained parallax by a computer animation in which the stars remain equidistant from the sun, not the earth, and the whole system moves in a sort of orbit around the earth in a space that seems to be outside the universe. But if the stars rotate around the earth and the sun, in such a way that they remain always the same distance from the sun, not the earth, and this is the cause of stellar parallax, then isn't the sun by definition the center of the universe?

... no?

Is there any other geocentric explanation for stellar parallax than the one Sungenis gave?


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2022, 07:58:59 PM »
Thank you cassini. If I remember Sungenis's video, I think he explained parallax by a computer animation in which the stars remain equidistant from the sun, not the earth, and the whole system moves in a sort of orbit around the earth in a space that seems to be outside the universe. But if the stars rotate around the earth and the sun, in such a way that they remain always the same distance from the sun, not the earth, and this is the cause of stellar parallax, then isn't the sun by definition the center of the universe?

... no?

I shouldn't think so.  If the sun moves around the earth, then the earth would still be at the center even if the stars move around the sun.  That's in line with the Tychonic concept.  As you know, I'm not convinced of this model, but assuming this for the sake of argument:

Let's say that you have the sun at the center, but then just a single planet out there, let's say like Jupiter.  Jupiter in turn has 100 moons that go around it.  Does that make Jupiter the center of the solar system because all these other things revolve around it?  Or is it still the sun, because Jupiter itself moves around it.

If you were to look at the universe along the lines of the Newtonian model (which I also don't accept), then the sun really is NOT the center of the solar system, despite popular belief.  What's at the center is the barycenter of the solar system, which occasionally (depending on how the planets are aligned) isn't even within the physical boundaries of the sun.  In that scenario, even the sun is rotating around the solar system barycenter.

But then when you expand outward, what is the center of the universe?  Well, it's the barycenter of the entire universe.  Who's to say that the barycenter of the entire universe isn't the earth, and that God doesn't magnificently, like some amazing clockwork, balance the entire rest of the universe around it, always keeping the earth at the barycenter of the entire universe?  We have Sacred Scripture repeatedly indicating that the earth is fixed in its foundations and does not move.  And the Fathers of the Holy Office who condemned heliocentrism as heretical largely leaned on a unanimous consensus of the Fathers that the earth is in fact motionless.

Then there's the notion of "mathematical center" of the universe (we're not really talking about the solar system really).  Where is that?  What are the dimensions of the universe?  What if the edges of the universe are not even regular, like a circle?

If you look at the Tychonic model (of just the solar system), then the center of motion is not really the mathematical center.




Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2022, 08:37:33 PM »

Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2022, 04:20:19 AM »
There is another of Walter van der Kamp's booklets that is very important.

The M&M experiment of 1887 did not show the 30kms/s 'fringe' expected if the Earth orbits the sun. All it showed was 5kms/s. This 5kms/s was brought down further after more tests, a 'fringe' of inertia up to 98% correct expected if the earth rotated, or if the universe rotated. Heliocentrism needed the goose and the gander (30kms/s) result, but geocentrism needed just the gander (-5kms/s), a rotational inertia. So, the M&M test proved geocentrism,

But the Earthmovers were not having that and up to this day have tried to explain why the M&M test failed. This gave rise to Einstein and his STR.

‘Whether the Earth rotates once a day from west to east as Copernicus taught, or the heavens revolve once a day from east to west as his predecessors believed, the observable phenomena will be exactly the same. This shows a defect in Newtonian dynamics, since an empirical science ought not to contain a metaphysical assumption that cannot be proved or disproved by observation.’--Bertrand Russel.

So, Walter said, let us test this one is as good as another compromise on the M&M test. It works if the universe is confined to the Earth, sun and planets. But both REVERSED must also show stellar aberration and stellar parallax. Try as you can, you will get stellar parallax but you cannot get both reversals to find aberration. In other words, it means that the M&M test is evidence for a geocentric universe.