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Offline Yeti

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2022, 08:51:07 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 15, 2022, 08:14:17 PM
That proposition was condemned as heretical by the Holy Office.
Are you talking about the condemnation of Galileo? Wasn't that reversed on some level?

I feel like I'm stepping into a bear trap here, but ... honestly, I've never read any account of the Galileo case and its subsequent history that really made any sense to me at all, on either side of the question.

What if we leave aside the theological aspect of this? Wouldn't the sun be the center of the universe if the stars rotate around the sun and not the earth? I mean, how would you define the word "center" otherwise?
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2022, 09:08:16 PM »
Heliocentrism is freemasonic, satanic paganism.  Geocentrism is catholic and biblical.  
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2022, 09:16:30 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 15, 2022, 08:14:17 PM
That proposition was condemned as heretical by the Holy Office.
You might want to look at the link below by MHFM on the matter of Geocentrism and the Holy Office. It's a good proof that the Holy Office itself is not protected in its decrees as would a teaching by the Pope on Faith or Morals or those teachings which are part of the authentic Magisterium of the Church.

Further, unrelated specifically to Geocentrism, they get into this because of the condemnation the Holy Office raised against Fr. Feeney with Card. Cushing's heretical letter Suprema haec sacra. Which, if the Holy Office is infallible, then the condemnation of Fr. Feeney would in fact be true and we are heretics for not believing that non-Catholics can be saved outside of the Church without baptism.

https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/the-holy-office-geocentrism-fr-feeney/

I still believe that Geocentrism is the Catholic position, as, again, the Church Fathers are unanimous about it, as proved by Dr. Sugenis.
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Offline St Giles

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Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2022, 09:21:51 PM »
Leaving aside the geostatic model, would it be sufficient to still call modern science's model of the universe geocentric considering the scale of the universe? Of course by that logic the sun could be said to be just as much the center as the earth, but considering the size of the universe that would be an insignificant distinction.

A flaw with this line of thinking may be that modern science only knows about the visible universe, and therefore can't know for sure where we are located within its distribution of space and matter since we see equally far in all directions.
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Sun and Earth
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2022, 09:26:33 PM »
Quote from: St Giles on July 15, 2022, 09:21:51 PM
Leaving aside the geostatic model, would it be sufficient to still call modern science's model of the universe geocentric considering the scale of the universe? Of course by that logic the sun could be said to be just as much the center as the earth, but considering the size of the universe that would be an insignificant distinction.

A flaw with this line of thinking may be that modern science only knows about the visible universe, and therefore can't know for sure where we are located within its distribution of space and matter since we see equally far in all directions.
There's an argument to be had from Einsteinian General relativity, which, if the universe is indeed what they say it is, would be the next most solid argument for Geocentrism
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