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Offline klasG4e

Speed of the Universe
« on: April 04, 2017, 01:37:05 PM »
This is for those who are put off by the idea of geocentrism (stationary Earth at the center of a rotating universe) if for no other reason, than because of what they posit the incredible speed of the sun and the rest of the universe would have to be moving at relative to the Earth in order to go around the Earth once every 24 hours.

 I don't imagine that anyone familiar with a basketball would try to argue that it is impossible for it to make one complete rotation within, well let's say 24 hours.  Obviously we know it could do that in 24 seconds and even a good deal less than 24 seconds.  After all, seeing is believing right?  Well, let's imagine now that you were of the smallest theoretical -- according to science size, i.e., Planck Length.  If we assign a size of 10 to the power of 0 for a full grown human, the Planck Length would be 10 to the power of negative 35 and the size of the known universe would be 10 to the power of 27.  Earth would be 10 to the power of 7.

You can play around with these sizes and a whole lot more using the model shown here: http://htwins.net/scale2/
In my thought experiment we have two little fellows reduced to the size of Planck Length or perhaps the size of a proton or neutron at the size of ten to the negative 15 or a neutrino at 10 to the negative 24, or smaller yet a quark at 10 to the negative 22 and they are placed inside a twirling basketball or shall we say at the very center of our Earth.  Since they are so small they can only observe the outer limits of the basketball or the Earth and thus they believe it to be the outer limits of the known universe.  Now, let's listen in on their discussion.  One is arguing vehemently that it is absolutely absurd to even imagine that the universe they observe could be rotating around them every 24 hours while the other one calmly retorts that it is perfectly possible.

God looks down upon our tiny beings and certainly hears our back and forth discussions on geocentrism vs. heliocentrism.  Since God is eternally omnipotent He could certainly create a universe that goes around the Earth once every 24 hours.  If he wanted to He could have the universe going around the Earth a million or a billion times every 24 hours for that matter.  No problem!
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Offline happenby

Re: Speed of the Universe
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 02:28:11 PM »
Quote from: klasG4e on April 04, 2017, 01:37:05 PM
This is for those who are put off by the idea of geocentrism (stationary Earth at the center of a rotating universe) if for no other reason, than because of what they posit the incredible speed of the sun and the rest of the universe would have to be moving at relative to the Earth in order to go around the Earth once every 24 hours.

I don't imagine that anyone familiar with a basketball would try to argue that it is impossible for it to make one complete rotation within, well let's say 24 hours.  Obviously we know it could do that in 24 seconds and even a good deal less than 24 seconds.  After all, seeing is believing right?  Well, let's imagine now that you were of the smallest theoretical -- according to science size, i.e., Planck Length.  If we assign a size of 10 to the power of 0 for a full grown human, the Planck Length would be 10 to the power of negative 35 and the size of the known universe would be 10 to the power of 27.  Earth would be 10 to the power of 7.

You can play around with these sizes and a whole lot more using the model shown here: http://htwins.net/scale2/
In my thought experiment we have two little fellows reduced to the size of Planck Length or perhaps the size of a proton or neutron at the size of ten to the negative 15 or a neutrino at 10 to the negative 24, or smaller yet a quark at 10 to the negative 22 and they are placed inside a twirling basketball or shall we say at the very center of our Earth.  Since they are so small they can only observe the outer limits of the basketball or the Earth and thus they believe it to be the outer limits of the known universe.  Now, let's listen in on their discussion.  One is arguing vehemently that it is absolutely absurd to even imagine that the universe they observe could be rotating around them every 24 hours while the other one calmly retorts that it is perfectly possible.

God looks down upon our tiny beings and certainly hears our back and forth discussions on geocentrism vs. heliocentrism.  Since God is eternally omnipotent He could certainly create a universe that goes around the Earth once every 24 hours.  If he wanted to He could have the universe going around the Earth a million or a billion times every 24 hours for that matter.  No problem!
Planck theory is pagan and heliocentrism is condemned by the Church.
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Offline klasG4e

Re: Speed of the Universe
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 05:29:15 PM »
happenby

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Planck theory is pagan and heliocentrism is condemned by the Church.

Max Planck is the originator of the Quantum Theory.  He was a Lutheran who strongly criticized atheism.  I'm not sure what point you are trying to make with the pagan reference or why you would even label the Planck Theory (i.e., the Quantum Theory) as pagan.

You are correct in maintaining that heliocentrism is condemned by the Church.

I hope this thread does not diverge from the point I was making in my thought experiment which I thought was fairly self-obvious.
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Offline mw2016

Re: Speed of the Universe
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2017, 02:30:26 PM »
This is a stupid thread.

The heavens (i.e. the "universe") are in motion, and they rotate around the stationary, flat plane of the earth once every 24 hours.

This is NOT in dispute.

What the heavens do NOT do is travel at a speed of 24 million MPH, and a distance of 584 million miles in that circuit every 24 hours. This is because the sun is NOT 93 million miles away.

How do we know this is true?


Simple.


You can take any two points on the flat plane of the earth, and calculate the known distance between the two points, either by car, or by air in nautical miles.


For example, it is 400 nm from Phoenix to Los Angeles. The difference between moonrise and sunrise times between LA and PHX is 30 minutes. In order to travel 400 miles in 30 minutes, the sun and moon have to be travelling at approximately 800 MPH.


The "throw" of the sun's light is a cone shape, and is slightly larger than the circular path the sun itself as an object travels in its circuit above earth. This is why you have light for about a half hour before you see the sun "rise" and why you still have light for about a half hour after you can no longer see the sun after it has "set."

Knowing the time and distance from viewpoint to viewpoint of rise and calculating the speed also gives you the size (in circuмference) of the sun's circuit, about 25,000 miles. While the total landmass circuмference of the reach of the cone of light extends to roughly a 72,000 mile circuмference, which corresponds exactly to the 69,000 mile circuмference reported by Captain James Cook Byrd in his traverse of the ice wall of Antarctica.

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In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east 57 and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

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Offline mw2016

Re: Speed of the Universe
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2017, 02:37:13 PM »
There is NO PART of heliocentrism or its model that is correct - NONE of it.

Not the distances.

Not the rotation of the earth.

Not the rotation of the sun itself.

Not the rotation of the earth about the sun.

ALL of the scientific model of heliocentrism is based on the Kabbalah, and as such is sinful in and of itself.

The earth is a stationary, non-moving, non-tilting, non-rotating flat plane, that has a dome-shaped solid Firmament above that holds back the waters of the Great Deep, and the stars are lights afixed within it that circle above us, along with the sun and moon, giving us light - exactly as described in the Book of Genesis.

Any other model is an utter blasphemy to the Word of God.
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