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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Shooting stars and satellites
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2024, 04:53:24 AM »
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  • But that does not answer what those lights were.  Do you know?  You have many questions,  but no answers either.  I assume this chained of lights, not one light but several in a row like the picture shows.  I assume I saw them because they were reflecting the light of the sun.  Have you ever seen this?  It is creepy when you do, what could they be and who is controlling them?
    No idea what that row of lights are, but when we see a shooting star, that's an angel running an errand for God - that's what we were told as kids and has been satisfactory for me ever since lol. 
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #16 on: April 30, 2024, 07:13:07 AM »
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  • No idea what that row of lights are, but when we see a shooting star, that's an angel running an errand for God - that's what we were told as kids and has been satisfactory for me ever since lol.

    Works for me. :laugh1:

    Seriously, though, I do believe that the "Star of Bethlehem" was not some natural phenomenon as various rationalists try to make it out to be.  We read that the Wise Men could use the star to locate precisely the place where Our Lord had been born, the very manger.  There's no way a normal "star" could be used to pinpoint a location that exactly.  I believe they were following some angelic vision.  Recall that the term "star" did not have the connotations back then of "a huge sun millions of miles away", but was merely a term for a "lesser light" (vs. the sun or the moon).


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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #17 on: April 30, 2024, 07:53:22 AM »
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    I know what the solar system model is for heliocentric and geocentric.  I cannot visualize what the solar system model is for a flat earth.
    The simplest way to understand FE is that the solar system still exists, but it's much, much closer to us, because it's within the firmament.  Instead of a star being "millions of light years away", it's probably only 500-1000 miles away.  Far enough that the naked eye cannot see them in daylight; but close enough that their lights can be seen at night.  The sun is not bigger than earth; but much, much smaller and inside our atmosphere.  The sun moves above the earth, from east to west, on a daily basis.  Because it's smaller, it does not give light in all directions, but is more focused, like a spotlight.  Thus when it's spotlight turns, and as it physically moves away from us, it has the appearance of "setting".

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #18 on: April 30, 2024, 07:58:22 AM »
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  •  The sun moves above the earth, from east to west, on a daily basis.  Because it's smaller, it does not give light in all directions, but is more focused, like a spotlight.  Thus when it's spotlight turns, and as it physically moves away from us, it has the appearance of "setting".
    And when it gets all the way west, how does it get back east again?

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #19 on: April 30, 2024, 10:04:04 AM »
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  • It might go underneath the earth (which Scripture tells us, is standing on 4 pillars).  Or, the book of Enoch describes portals/doors in the "heavens" (i.e. high above, near the firmament) which angels open and close to control the weather and other things.  I'm not sure.  


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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #20 on: April 30, 2024, 01:22:19 PM »
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  • Supposedly they reflect the light of the sun.  I've never seen them, but there is video of them traveling in tandem, like a train going through the sky:



    Light such as this being 200-300 miles away isn't so outlandish.  The red blinking lights you see on TV towers, which can be 2000 feet tall, are about the size of a shoebox (albeit with internal illumination) and can easily be seen at night 10 or more miles away, if you have a straight shot from your location to the transmitter.  An office desk is several times larger than one of these lights (think office desk versus shoebox).
    That is exactly what I saw.  Accept they disappeared when they got to a certain point in the sky above my head. My assumption is that the sun could no longer reflect on them because the earth was casting a shadow on them. If the earth could cast a shadow then wouldn't that imply a globe earth?
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #21 on: April 30, 2024, 02:58:12 PM »
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    Accept they disappeared when they got to a certain point in the sky above my head.
    There's numerous reasons why these satellite lights could go off.  If you could see them, that means they were low enough in the atmosphere for planes to fly.  So the lights might have to be on, for plane safety reasons.  Once the satellites rose higher than airplane traffic, the lights weren't needed anymore, so they shut off.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #22 on: April 30, 2024, 04:15:38 PM »
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  • There's numerous reasons why these satellite lights could go off.  If you could see them, that means they were low enough in the atmosphere for planes to fly.  So the lights might have to be on, for plane safety reasons.  Once the satellites rose higher than airplane traffic, the lights weren't needed anymore, so they shut off.
    I see lights in the sky every night.  These lights do not move very fast.  I call them stars.  What do you call them?  If I can see these stars then "they are low enough in the atmosphere for planes to fly." Doesn't that then mean the stars are between the sun and the earth, wouldn't they cast shadows on the earth?  

    People who are in planes never talk about seeing satellites float by. Do you have examples of this?

    I am just trying to make everything I see in the night sky fit into a flat earth idea.  I am having trouble.  The only explanation i get is that I have an established bias.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #23 on: April 30, 2024, 04:22:24 PM »
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    I see lights in the sky every night.  These lights do not move very fast.  I call them stars
    If we were living 100 years ago, you'd be right.  Every light in the sky would be either a star, comet, or planet.

    But nowadays, with 1,000s and 1,000s of satellites in the sky (and more going up every day...Elon Musk and friends are building a satellite network to track every living thing), one cannot be sure what is a star or a human "twinkling thing".

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    wouldn't they cast shadows on the earth?
    I don't know why stars don't cast shadows but this should happen on a flat or globe earth, so it's irrelevant to the flat earth topic.

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #24 on: May 06, 2024, 09:09:51 PM »
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  • It is just that I am trying to determine what I am seeing in the night sky.  I am a visual person.  I know what the solar system model is for heliocentric and geocentric.  I cannot visualize what the solar system model is for a flat earth.  I have tried to ask for a model representation of a flat earth, because I don't have time to try and figure out how to find one, but It seems that I can't get the people on here to show me one either.  I am sorry if I am not being clear, but all I want is to see a model of this flat earth with the sections of atmosphere, planets, and space. 

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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #25 on: May 07, 2024, 11:40:41 AM »
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  • It might go underneath the earth (which Scripture tells us, is standing on 4 pillars).  Or, the book of Enoch describes portals/doors in the "heavens" (i.e. high above, near the firmament) which angels open and close to control the weather and other things.  I'm not sure. 
    Is the Book of Enoch in the Catholic Bible?
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #26 on: May 07, 2024, 12:03:33 PM »
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  • And when it gets all the way west, how does it get back east again?

    It goes in circle. Look at a flat earth map, and circuмnavigate the globe east-west (which is the only way planes fly, for some reason). It would form a circle -- which happens every day. So yes, being able to sail around the earth or "circuмnavigate" poses 0 problem for flat earth model.
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #27 on: May 07, 2024, 12:08:38 PM »
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  • Is the Book of Enoch in the Catholic Bible?

    No it is not.
    Nevertheless, the better question is: why was Enoch disqualified? Some non-canonical books ("Apocrypha") are completely trustworthy, but the Catholic Church never ruled that they were "inspired by the Holy Ghost AND were always part of Scripture". 

    Let's just say "not chosen for the Canon of Scripture" doesn't mean "burn it with fire!". Think of all the non-Canonical books written by man (not the Holy Ghost) are praiseworthy to read: The Imitation of Christ, Intro to the Devout Life, the Summa Theologica, etc.

    There is a huge variety among the Apocrypha: Some of the books are erroneous and filled with heresies. Others just didn't quite make the cut. Maybe they appeared too late, and the Church erred on the side of caution. Or maybe there was an issue with translations, and the Church couldn't de-tangle the mess. There are 99 reasons why a given book could have been excluded from the Canon. Heretical content is only one of them.
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #28 on: May 07, 2024, 12:12:09 PM »
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  • Works for me. :laugh1:

    Seriously, though, I do believe that the "Star of Bethlehem" was not some natural phenomenon as various rationalists try to make it out to be.  We read that the Wise Men could use the star to locate precisely the place where Our Lord had been born, the very manger.  There's no way a normal "star" could be used to pinpoint a location that exactly.  I believe they were following some angelic vision.  Recall that the term "star" did not have the connotations back then of "a huge sun millions of miles away", but was merely a term for a "lesser light" (vs. the sun or the moon).

    Just one more reason to embrace Flat Earth. Much easier for keeping the Faith, keeping both halves of your body on ONE side of the fence, not being divided. I'm sick of bending over backwards, feeling sheepish, feeling embarrassed, at verses like this in Scripture. There's no need to be! The supernatural exists, God created the world, he's ABOVE us (not underneath us if we're on the other side of the globe) and He and His angels control "the powers of heaven". He can make the sun stand still, dance in the sky, or make a bright light illuminate where the manger was. No problem.

    If some of you want to try to "square the circle" and believe in the satanist's "outer space" paradigm (but NOT the Big Bang or Evolution that comes with it -- oh, no!) but also God and Creation -- go ahead. I can't stop you. But I'm warning you it's imprudent and unnecessary.
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    Re: Shooting stars and satellites
    « Reply #29 on: May 07, 2024, 12:17:25 PM »
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  • It is just that I am trying to determine what I am seeing in the night sky.  I am a visual person.  I know what the solar system model is for heliocentric and geocentric.  I cannot visualize what the solar system model is for a flat earth.

    I want to interject here that you are perfectly normal. You've been told since you were knee-high to a grasshopper that the earth is a ball. OF COURSE you're going to struggle to break out of that brainwashing programming. I would be absolutely shocked if you weren't struggling! It's really not easy. It's quite a feat when anyone breaks out of such pervasive, universal, reinforced programming.

    We must be patient and compassionate when dealing with those of good will who struggle against the programming they've received A) for decades B) from all quarters and C) since they were 2 years old.

    I will say this though: you won't break out of it without use of your Reason.

    There are good videos out there that really helped me learn the truth.

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