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Offline Tradman

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Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2022, 07:38:04 PM »
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  • Right. Cassini misunderstood what you said.

    P.S.: Hypostases are the three persons of the Holy Trinity, or the two natures of Christ. There is no such thing as "hypostases destroying faith in God". You misunderstood the text of the "prophecy". It doesn't say that "hypostases destroy faith". It says (in other words) "people will lose faith in the triune God".

    P.P.S.: This thread is nutty, starting with a nonsensical question based on a misunderstanding of a Greek theological term.
    No, I get the original meaning.  Just wondering if the " he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases." isn't suggesting three different heresies specifically aimed at the the three Persons.  

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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #16 on: February 19, 2022, 08:16:11 PM »
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  • No, I get the original meaning.  Just wondering if the " he will so complete science with vanity that it will go off the right path and lead people to lose faith in the existence of God in three hypostases." isn't suggesting three different heresies specifically aimed at the the three Persons. 


    You're still "wondering" after all has been explained, and this your thread has been attributed your own adjective "nutty". Are you sure you want to ask me the question you ask me here? I could answer, but I believe you know the answer.
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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #17 on: February 19, 2022, 08:23:47 PM »
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  • You're still "wondering" after all has been explained, and this your thread has been attributed your own adjective "nutty". Are you sure you want to ask me the question you ask me here? I could answer, but I believe you know the answer.
    Spar with someone a 1/2 tick from your own view.  I'm at a place you aren't and vise versa.  There are better things to do.  

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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #18 on: February 19, 2022, 08:36:31 PM »
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  • Spar with someone a 1/2 tick from your own view.  I'm at a place you aren't and vise versa.  There are better things to do. 

    Ask the moderator to delete this useless thread. You didn't know what hypostasis (plural hypostases) means, and based thereupon asked a nonsensical question. After having been corrected by more than one friendly user, more than once, you keep on going, putatively trying to save face. You don't. No big deal, as long as you don't make it one.
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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #19 on: February 19, 2022, 08:45:01 PM »
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  • Ask the moderator to delete this useless thread. You didn't know what hypostasis (plural hypostases) means, and based thereupon asked a nonsensical question. After having been corrected by more than one friendly user, more than once, you keep on going, putatively trying to save face. You don't. No big deal, as long as you don't make it one.
    LOL. Don't take yourself so seriously. No one else does.


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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #20 on: February 19, 2022, 08:54:19 PM »
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  • LOL. Don't take yourself so seriously. No one else does.



    The true Faith is serious. Spreading "prophecy"-hoaxes without even spending some minutes to verify them online, and misusing even the Holy Trinity is serious matter.  This is not about me. I don't care much what people think about me.
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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #21 on: February 19, 2022, 10:22:25 PM »
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  • 1. The denial of Geocentrism and the insignificance of the Earth leads to...
    2. the denial of Creationism (Darwinism) and the insignificance of man leads to...
    3. the possibility of aliens and the impossibility of the existence of God.

    "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead." our Lord Jesus Christ.
    I agree with your assessment
    Jesus Meek and humble of heart make my heart like unto thine

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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #22 on: February 19, 2022, 10:29:31 PM »
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  • I agree with your assessment

    And you don't give a d**n about what else was said about the whole topic? Unbelievable.
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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #23 on: February 20, 2022, 12:24:42 AM »
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  • Nilus of Sinai - Wikipedia
    So it's fake. For OP. Don't take as true anything you read on the internet without looking for the source. The internet is full of fake quotes and texts. 


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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #24 on: February 20, 2022, 04:13:20 AM »
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  • How did you get what I said that backward? I said, that the ones who say that other worlds are peopled are nutty. I even listed it alongside heliocentrism and evolution as possibly one of the three hypostases destroying faith in God. 

    Sorry for misinterpreting your 'All three seem stupid to me, but the third is particularly nutty' Tradman.    

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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #25 on: February 20, 2022, 04:28:53 AM »
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  • The true Faith is serious. Spreading "prophecy"-hoaxes without even spending some minutes to verify them online, and misusing even the Holy Trinity is serious matter.  This is not about me. I don't care much what people think about me.

    Any discussions on the true faith are serious, yes. Now the 'prophecy' discussed here may not be true but the subject matter has to be included in any prophesy that predicts a loss of Catholic faith and worthy of discussion. Opinion polls of non-believers mainly attribute their unbelief to science so called. 

    ‘Further, the Church which, together with the apostolic duty of teaching, has received the command to guard the deposit of faith, has also, from divine providence, the right and duty of proscribing “knowledge falsely so called” (I Tim. 6:20), “lest anyone be cheated by philosophy and vain deceit.”  ---Vatican I.

    With the Copernican Renaissance there began a shift in philosophical thought, a move from scholastic metaphysics towards pantheism, naturalism, secularism and atheism, but now backed up by what they claimed as scientific ‘proofs’ that the supernatural geocentric world of God’s Creation was now proven false by man’s science. These modernist philosophies could be said to have started with the French ‘Catholic’ René Descartes (1596-1650), alleged to have been a Rosicrucian, and the 17th century philosophers known as the rationalists. Relying exclusively on human reasoning and experimentation, the rationalists endeavoured to free science from ‘the straightjacket of scholastic thought’ as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) had put it. Following them were the empiricists, founded by John Locke (1632-1704). Later empiricism was taken to extremes by the Scotsman David Hume (1711-1776) who held that nothing exists but sensations. Then the German philosophers Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) and Georg Hegel (1770-1831) burst on the scene. Kant held that reason could only know those things experienced by the senses. Hegel decided matter is only an illusion, the only reality being ‘Absolute Spirit,’ which expresses its nature in a historical process of struggle and conflict that results in a perfect society, a philosophy adopted later by Charles Darwin and Karl Marx.


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    Re: Prophecy about science and apostasy
    « Reply #26 on: February 20, 2022, 07:17:28 AM »
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  • Any discussions on the true faith are serious, yes. Now the 'prophecy' discussed here may not be true but the subject matter has to be included in any prophesy that predicts a loss of Catholic faith and worthy of discussion. Opinion polls of non-believers mainly attribute their unbelief to science so called.

    ‘Further, the Church which, together with the apostolic duty of teaching, has received the command to guard the deposit of faith, has also, from divine providence, the right and duty of proscribing “knowledge falsely so called” (I Tim. 6:20), “lest anyone be cheated by philosophy and vain deceit.”  ---Vatican I.

    With the Copernican Renaissance there began a shift in philosophical thought, a move from scholastic metaphysics towards pantheism, naturalism, secularism and atheism, but now backed up by what they claimed as scientific ‘proofs’ that the supernatural geocentric world of God’s Creation was now proven false by man’s science. These modernist philosophies could be said to have started with the French ‘Catholic’ René Descartes (1596-1650), alleged to have been a Rosicrucian, and the 17th century philosophers known as the rationalists. Relying exclusively on human reasoning and experimentation, the rationalists endeavoured to free science from ‘the straightjacket of scholastic thought’ as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) had put it. Following them were the empiricists, founded by John Locke (1632-1704). Later empiricism was taken to extremes by the Scotsman David Hume (1711-1776) who held that nothing exists but sensations. Then the German philosophers Immanuel Kant (1724-1804) and Georg Hegel (1770-1831) burst on the scene. Kant held that reason could only know those things experienced by the senses. Hegel decided matter is only an illusion, the only reality being ‘Absolute Spirit,’ which expresses its nature in a historical process of struggle and conflict that results in a perfect society, a philosophy adopted later by Charles Darwin and Karl Marx.

    I'd like to add some more protagonists to your list.

    Starting from the dirt and dust stirred up by the "Copernican Revolution", Immanuel Kant came to the conclusion that man cannot recognize things as what they are. Our cognition of the things around us is limited to mere "appearances". We can't recognize the nature of things.

    That's the basis of the thinking of Joseph Ratzinger. Against the oath against modernism, perjurious Ratzinger, based on Kant, denies that God, the origin and end of all things, can be known with certainty by the natural light of reason from the created world. That's because in Kant's system causal linkages are only in the eye of the observer, not out there in the world. Following Kant, and having abolished God, Ratzinger then recommends to live and act "velut si Deus daretur" (as if God existed) viz. he recommends to pretend (to cant).

    After the Copernicans, who claimed that man is deceived by the appearances of the movement of the celestial bodies, and later switched to man is unable to distinguish movement from rest (Mach's principle, General Relativity), we not only have Kant and Ratzinger, who suffer from being unable to grasp the nature of things and who are left with mere appearances. We also have the the flat earthers (Blount, Dubay, and their ilk), who deny that man is able to distinguish between a body approaching or moving away, and a body rising or setting. In their system, man isn't even able to grasp appearances, simple geometry and kinematics.

    Where shall all this end?

    Come quickly, Lord Jesus! (Rev 22:20)
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