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Offline St Giles

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Re: Outer Space is a deception
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2024, 05:18:58 PM »
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  • I plugged 'how cold is space' into google.  This is what it put out:

    "Space is very, very cold. The baseline temp is minus 455 degrees Fahrenheit, meaning it is barely above absolute zero, the point where molecular motion stops."

    I then plugged in 'what temperature do computers stop working'.  This was the result:

    "Electronic devices suffer from temperature extremes. Liquid Crystal Displays (LCDs) of laptops, phones, and PDAs really do freeze. Laptops have been designed to work within a safe temperature range, typically between 50 to 95 degrees F (10 - 35 degrees C)."

    Voyager 1 is a metallic, mechanical device.  It has been in an environment 'where molecular motions stops' for 45 years with no break.  That thing is frozen solid.
    Regular computers don't need to withstand cold temps, so they are not designed for it. Supercooled electronics is a real thing to greatly enhance performance. They can design the Voyager probe to function well in very cold temps, it's just a matter of taking into account tolerances and the thermal contraction of components, and any internal heating systems needed. I think it runs on a little nuclear reactor, so that alone generates heat. Scientists are quite smart when they aren't lying for political reasons, they can figure this all out. It raises my mind to God seeing how pretty much everything imaginable is possible with the basic elements and laws of physics he created. There's probably a million different substances made out of just 3 elements.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #16 on: April 25, 2024, 05:31:35 PM »
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  • What we're are told about space is a deception, God's firmament is very really, and the moon, suns, stars etc are inside it.
    But all of that space goes straight up from the earth?  I need to see pictures of how the planets and stars hang in this flat earth scenario.  I need to understand why Australia is heading into winter as we are heading into summer.  Quick explanations that make logical sense.  Scientific examples of why this occurs.  Why some flight patterns do exist that cannot be explained by a flat earth and can only be explained by a globe earth? 

    Here is a video example, but I do not like his delivery at all.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #17 on: April 25, 2024, 07:08:40 PM »
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  • But all of that space goes straight up from the earth?  I need to see pictures of how the planets and stars hang in this flat earth scenario.  I need to understand why Australia is heading into winter as we are heading into summer.  Quick explanations that make logical sense.  Scientific examples of why this occurs.  Why some flight patterns do exist that cannot be explained by a flat earth and can only be explained by a globe earth?

    Here is a video example, but I do not like his delivery at all.

    First I didn't mention flat earth here, a firmament is part of scripture and the father. The sky and space are not the same space.

    Also Dave is not a professor and is a sophist.

    To illustrate how bad Dave is, here is a debunk video on another topic by an actual scientist.

    https://youtu.be/JRrTvP95kf4?si=F9-EO6iIaI6SqELs

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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #18 on: April 25, 2024, 09:49:32 PM »
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  • First I didn't mention flat earth here, a firmament is part of scripture and the father. The sky and space are not the same space.
    Ok i am confused.  How are the sky and space not the same space? We look in to the sky and we see stars.  A random person looks into the sky and is able to take pictures of strange things that we are told are nebulas or galaxies or planets.  But there is a deception?   What is the deception?
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #19 on: April 26, 2024, 03:11:13 AM »
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  • Did anyone look at these pictures?  They are taken from earth by a guy in his backyard.  If outer space is a deception, then explain these pictures.
    One needs a facebook account to see these pictures. Could you post one or two? 

    I don't know when astronomers decided that stars were "distant suns" rather than just lights in the sky. The "distant sun" concept is unprovable and  the notion that these "distant suns" are all moving rapidly outwards because of the big bang, should make constellations unrecognisable, yet they never change, millenium after millenium 


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #20 on: April 26, 2024, 07:26:29 AM »
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  • Did anyone look at these pictures?  They are taken from earth by a guy in his backyard.  If outer space is a deception, then explain these pictures.

    You're reading your worldview into these pictures, as most poeple do.  You've already been pre-programmed to "interpret" these things according to the modern cosmological model.  We cannot tell distance of 3-dimensional shape from 2-dimensional pictures.


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #21 on: April 26, 2024, 07:31:40 AM »
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  • But all of that space goes straight up from the earth?  I need to see pictures of how the planets and stars hang in this flat earth scenario.  I need to understand why Australia is heading into winter as we are heading into summer.  Quick explanations that make logical sense.  Scientific examples of why this occurs.  Why some flight patterns do exist that cannot be explained by a flat earth and can only be explained by a globe earth?

    Again, you're reading modern cosmology into what we see in the sky.  Are these in fact planets and stars (in the sense of being distant suns)?  You simply assume that they are.

    As for the seasons, they're well explained by the FE model, as we know the sun travels between the tropic (Cancer and Capricorn) throughout the year.  What doesn't make sense in the globe model is the vastly different climate between the two "poles", where Antarctica is a frozen wasteland, whereas the North at similar latitudes can be temperate and filled with wildlife and vegetation during the Northern summer.

    As for flight patterns, if you actually studied them, 99% of Southern "hemisphere" flight patterns make zero sense on the globe model but only on the flat.  I've seen only one claim of a flight that allegedly doesn't fit with FE model, but that one can easily be explained.  There are many videos of bizarre "emegency landings" that had to take place that make 0 sense on a globe model but perfect sense on an FE model, and the emergency landings are a great indicator because they have to come down ASAP in those scenarios and can't simply fake the route.

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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #22 on: April 26, 2024, 07:35:15 AM »
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  • They can design the Voyager probe to function well in very cold temps ...

    Not in the 1970s they couldn't, and they also couldn't produce technology required to got to the moon in the 1960s either ... so the faked the moon landing.  Just remember what kinds of junk cars people were driving in the 1960s and 1970s.

    I worked at NASA and often participated in radiation/temperature testing of electronic components, and even with today's technology, 90% of the tech they claimed was resistant to radiation and extreme temperatures failed the tests miserably, and this was in the early 2000s, not in the 1970s.

    And this is to say nothing of the fact that it's the height of absurdity to pretend that Voyager can beam meaningful signals back to earth using a 23 watt radio ... from allegedly 24 billion miles away.  That signal would be so dispersed over those distances that it could not contain any meaningful data (similar to the absurd claim that Webb is beaming high-definition data from a million miles away).  In real practice, the higher bandwidth you get, the more concentrated the signal has to be and the more power you need to send it.  If we could beam high definition data across millions of miles, cell phone companies would have gotten rid of the cell towers they have to build every mile or two a LONG time ago, to say nothing of the absurdity of hitting the target with a high bandwidth signal from a million miles that would be so tiny as to be imperceptible ... WHILE the earth is allegedly rotating at (an average of) 700 MPH AND revolving around the sun at over 6,000 MPH.  You'd be a great shot if you could hit something the size of a jar lid from 100 yards away.  Now move it to a mile away, and then to 1,000 miles ... and you're not even close to the proportions we're talking about from million miles away.  And now put the target into motion at 6,000 MPH.

    You recently had a company set a record for high-bandwidth transmission at about 230 miles (across the Mediterranean), and they had to use line of sight microwave signals, since you need a very concentrated (and therefore line of sight) beam to carry high-bandwidth data.  Now try to send high-bandwidth data over a MILLION miles.  To get high bandwith, you need a concentrated, tight, and therefore line of sight signal ... and I'm sure we're getting that from Webb at about a million miles away, as the earth rotates 700MPH and flies around the sun at 6000MPH.  Suuure.  Of course, on a side note, at 230 miles (with the aforementioned microwave signal across the Mediterrean), it couldn't have been line of sight on a globe, since the target (150 foot towers) would have been obscured by 8 miles of curvature bulge.

    Back in the day when we hard our rabbit-ear antennas, and then even the small dishes, to get a decent TV signal from most stations, you had to point the in just the right direction and just at the right angle to have some stations come in ... and that's when the transmitters were about 20 miles away, much less 24 billion.


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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #23 on: April 26, 2024, 12:42:06 PM »
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  • Regarding radio transmission, the variables involved with its use on earth are much different than what's involved using it in space. Almost an apples to oranges comparison.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #24 on: April 26, 2024, 01:07:33 PM »
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  • Did anyone look at these pictures?  They are taken from earth by a guy in his backyard.  If outer space is a deception, then explain these pictures.

    May I quote from the guy in his backyard:
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    I was able to image M42, the Orion Nebula. Unfortunately, I could only get 33 minutes of data from the system (since my Seestar has had horrible tracking issues), but it was enough that I could still process the data and have some decent detail in the image... and I came up with this! I processed this imaging data with PixInsight, Photoshop, and Irfanview

    He did not say, I photographed M42. He says he imaged M42, that he could "process the data" and that he used some software like photoshop to come up with that image. Only the author of that image could explain it.

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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #25 on: April 26, 2024, 05:46:56 PM »
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  • May I quote from the guy in his backyard:
    He did not say, I photographed M42. He says he imaged M42, that he could "process the data" and that he used some software like photoshop to come up with that image. Only the author of that image could explain it.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #26 on: April 26, 2024, 08:03:07 PM »
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  • One needs a facebook account to see these pictures. Could you post one or two?

    I don't know when astronomers decided that stars were "distant suns" rather than just lights in the sky. The "distant sun" concept is unprovable and  the notion that these "distant suns" are all moving rapidly outwards because of the big bang, should make constellations unrecognisable, yet they never change, millenium after millenium
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #27 on: April 26, 2024, 09:02:02 PM »
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  • Regarding radio transmission, the variables involved with its use on earth are much different than what's involved using it in space. Almost an apples to oranges comparison.

    No, it's about the angles at distances.  You just make stuff up, don't you?  Whatever sounds good that you can latch on to with your confirmation bias.  Radio waves get weaker over distance because they spread outward from their source.  It's very similar to how light works, also in waves.  There's something referred to as the inverse square law that applies to anything that moves in waves, whether it be light or sound.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/inverse-square-law

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    Radio waves, a type of electromagnetic radiation, follow the inverse square law, which means the intensity of radio waves decreases inversely with the square of the distance from the transmitter. For example, if you are 100 meters away from a radio transmitter, the intensity of the radio wave will be one-tenth as strong as it is if you are 10 meters away.



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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #28 on: April 26, 2024, 09:44:42 PM »
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  • It's comical.

    Atheist scientists are lying and/or wrong about the origin of the universe, God, religion, the Bible, the nature of Man, the existence of aliens, possibility of time travel or sentient AI, and countless other fundamental errors.

    And they've been caught lying more times than I can count. And their lies and errors *couldn't get* larger or more fundamental: existence of "dark matter", the Theory of Relativity, etc.

    "But by gum, they are telling the honest truth about the shape of the earth and "outer space"! It's the Bible that's being poetic, wrong, etc."

    How can one BE so dense? Stockholm syndrome much? It's like a battered wife deceiving herself to justify her abuser. It's pathological.

    THESE SAME SCIENTISTS -- if you trust them -- have a LOT MORE they expect you to believe. Why do you stop short? What justification have you?

    I'll tell you what though: you can't serve two masters. Eventually you're going to cut the rope and cast off atheistic science completely -- OR religion. The two can't be served long-term. Our Lord said so, not me.
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    Re: Outer Space is a deception
    « Reply #29 on: April 26, 2024, 09:48:19 PM »
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  • No, it's about the angles at distances.  You just make stuff up, don't you?  Whatever sounds good that you can latch on to with your confirmation bias.  Radio waves get weaker over distance because they spread outward from their source.  It's very similar to how light works, also in waves.  There's something referred to as the inverse square law that applies to anything that moves in waves, whether it be light or sound.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/inverse-square-law



    And you tend to oversimplify stuff. It's so much easier that way. It's so much easier to be novus ordo than consider the complexities of viewing the current situation in the church in the light of tradition. It's so much easier to believe there is no pope. It's so much easier to be protestant and just believe in Jesus, be baptized and sin all you want. It's easier to just be a careless atheist sheep.
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