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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #165 on: July 10, 2023, 05:45:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Always on July 09, 2023, 08:56:06 PM
    You can't judge a book by its cover.  People get ridiculously hung arguing endlessly back and forth about the cover on his book.  Write your own book!  At least Cassini did that!

    In this case, you can judge the book by hits cover.  His misuse of DaVinci's Salvator Mundi speaks to the same error that he makes in the book.  Dr. Sungenis sees the word "globe" or "sphere" in writings of the Church Fathers and immediately concludes that it's a reference to NASA's ball earth.  "Aha!  See!  This Father believed that the earth was a ball just like NASA says."  In one case, he even inexplicably saw the word "circle" and interpreted THAT as belief in globe earth.  Several of these Fathers were arguing about the shape of the FIRMAMENT and thus were discussing with IT was shaped like a sphere, a hemisphere, or even a cone.  St. Augustine details one argument where, since Scripture describes the firmament like a tent, it would be shaped kindof like a "teepee" (they they didn't use the word), with a point in the middle.  When they spoke of the world as a sphere, they were speaking of the world to include everything up through the firmament.  In fact, in another text incorrectly cited by Sungenis, the Father clearly describes the world shaped like a sphere ... and yet with a circular cross-section slice.  What is that cross-section slice and how does it work on the NASA ball model?  Clearly the Father had in mind a world shaped overall like a sphere, but then the land itself represented a circular cross-section through said sphere.  I write up an entire thread detailing these things.  I'm not about writing books to make money, but if I have the time, I might put my findings out there on a blog or something.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #166 on: July 10, 2023, 05:49:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 10, 2023, 05:45:18 AM
    Dr. Sungenis sees the word "globe" or "sphere" in writings of the Church Fathers and immediately concludes that it's a reference to NASA's ball earth.  "Aha!  See!  This Father believed that the earth was a ball just like NASA says."

    Ironically, while Dr. Sungenis accuses Flat Earthers of "eisegesis", this is a CLASSIC case of eisegesis, i.e. reading your own concepts or worldview into the text.  There's no evidence that any Church Father believed the earth THAT WE WALK ON was shaped like a sphere ... though in some cases it can't be ruled out, where we don't have enough direct evidence of what the Father mean by a passing reference to the world being a sphere.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #167 on: July 10, 2023, 09:55:09 AM »
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    • It shouldn't be called "flat earth" theory, as this is too generic.  Should be called "globe earth, flat land" theory.  This is what the Church Fathers were describing.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #168 on: July 10, 2023, 10:02:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 10, 2023, 09:55:09 AM
    It shouldn't be called "flat earth" theory, as this is too generic.  Should be called "globe earth, flat land" theory.  This is what the Church Fathers were describing.

    Some of the guys defending flat earth are calling it "true earth".  
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #169 on: July 10, 2023, 11:16:47 AM »
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    • Not sure what to think about this. David Palm, the writer of this online article is a heliocentric science guy of some sort, so his assessment of Robert Sungenis' education might be taken with a grain of salt because he insists Heliocentric models are correct. :facepalm: However, it looks like Palm did some homework having unearthed some interesting information on Sungenis who claims he was a Physics major in college.  Palm refutes this claim and backs it up with receipts.  Makes one wonder about the D R in front of Sungenis' name which appears to have been obtained through an online course at Calamus International University Extension College and Vocalist International Distance Learning Academy, Vanuatu (formerly based in Turks and Caicos.)  Perhaps someone here might clear things up?

    https://www.geocentrismdebunked.org/robert-sungenis-physics-major/
       



     

     
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #170 on: July 10, 2023, 11:57:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on July 10, 2023, 11:16:47 AM
    Not sure what to think about this. David Palm, the writer of this online article is a heliocentric science guy of some sort, so his assessment of Robert Sungenis' education might be taken with a grain of salt because he insists Heliocentric models are correct. :facepalm: However, it looks like Palm did some homework having unearthed some interesting information on Sungenis who claims he was a Physics major in college.  Palm refutes this claim and backs it up with receipts.  Makes one wonder about the D R in front of Sungenis' name which appears to have been obtained through an online course at Calamus International University Extension College and Vocalist International Distance Learning Academy, Vanuatu (formerly based in Turks and Caicos.)  Perhaps someone here might clear things up?

    https://www.geocentrismdebunked.org/robert-sungenis-physics-major/
     



     

     

    For whatever reasons David Palm, (aka: "the palm reader") has dedicated an absolutely extraordinary amount of time and energy over a good number of years in trying to destroy Dr. Sungenis' reputation and livelihood.  He has failed in his mission.  He has been totally discredited by Dr. Sungenis' (and others) in their counter-writings and verbal exchanges.  I suggest you contact Dr. Sungenis personally if you want to hear the truth -- the "rest of the story" as it relates to Palm's non-stop war, his non-stop falsifications campaign against Dr. Sungenis and his work.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #171 on: July 10, 2023, 12:11:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on July 10, 2023, 11:57:26 AM
    For whatever reasons David Palm, (aka: "the palm reader") has dedicated an absolutely extraordinary amount of time and energy over a good number of years in trying to destroy Dr. Sungenis' reputation and livelihood.  He has failed in his mission.  He has been totally discredited by Dr. Sungenis' (and others) in their counter-writings and verbal exchanges.  I suggest you contact Dr. Sungenis personally if you want to hear the truth -- the "rest of the story" as it relates to Palm's non-stop war, his non-stop falsifications campaign against Dr. Sungenis and his work.

    See, this is another reason I wish that Dr. Sungenis would not have gone down the path of deriding, mocking, and insulting FEs.  Those of us who uphold the inerrancy of Sacred Scripture need to stick together and work this out as if among friends.  It's like if a husband and wife disagree, they don't air it out in front of their children, because then the children might feel there's room to question the authority of one or another of the parents.  FEs largely supported his work before his attack on FE.  And, even then, if it had been a constructive debate that refrained from deriding the FEs, that probably could have continued, despite what could be written off as a disagreement.  FEs are also geocentrists, and also believe that the earth does not move.  These same clowns who are attacking Dr. Sungenis on this site (David Palm) are also, a fortiori, sworn enemies of Flat Earth (which overlaps with geocentrism).  NASA and the "mainstream" scientific establishment are NEVER going to somehow be persuaded of geocentrism simply because Dr. Sungenis has attacked FE.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #172 on: July 10, 2023, 12:19:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on July 10, 2023, 11:16:47 AM
    https://www.geocentrismdebunked.org/robert-sungenis-physics-major/

    I reviewed the link briefly, and I think that both sides have a point.  When Dr. Sungenis says that he was a "Physics Major", that's generally taken to mean that someone completed the Major and got the degree, and not just took 1-2 classes in the Major or that it was their declared Major during the first year.  So that does suggest some exaggeration by implication but seems to be technically true.

    I for one don't care about whether or not he has a science degree.  Lots of people with degrees are morons, and lots of people without degrees are brilliant.  NASA and modern science are overall a bunch of garbage, and to me when I see a mainstream "scientist," the only sense I have is that the individual has likely been programmed and brainwashed into mainstream science, the same way that a lot of Doctors have been brainwashed about certain aspects of modern medicine, including vaccination.  I can make the same analogy in other fields.  I knew a guy with an advanced degree in Catholic Theology who, I kid you not, when I mentioned St. Thomas Aquinas, said, "Who's that?"
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #173 on: July 10, 2023, 12:23:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on July 10, 2023, 11:57:26 AM
    For whatever reasons David Palm, (aka: "the palm reader") has dedicated an absolutely extraordinary amount of time and energy over a good number of years in trying to destroy Dr. Sungenis' reputation and livelihood.  He has failed in his mission.  He has been totally discredited by Dr. Sungenis' (and others) in their counter-writings and verbal exchanges.  I suggest you contact Dr. Sungenis personally if you want to hear the truth -- the "rest of the story" as it relates to Palm's non-stop war, his non-stop falsifications campaign against Dr. Sungenis and his work.

    Were any of these exchanges done online?  Do you have a link?  
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #174 on: July 10, 2023, 12:25:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 10, 2023, 12:11:18 PM
     NASA and the "mainstream" scientific establishment are NEVER going to somehow be persuaded of geocentrism simply because Dr. Sungenis has attacked FE.

    Ha, you give Dr. Sungenis way too much credit/power.  NASA and the "mainstream" scientific establishment are going to do what they are going to do regardless or whatever Dr. Sungenis does or does not do.
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #175 on: July 10, 2023, 12:27:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on July 10, 2023, 12:23:28 PM

    Were any of these exchanges done online?  Do you have a link? 

    Do your own homework or you may want take a shortcut and communicate with Dr. Sungenis personally: cairomeo@aol.com
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #176 on: July 10, 2023, 12:31:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 10, 2023, 12:19:55 PM


    I for one don't care about whether or not he has a science degree.  Lots of people with degrees are morons, and lots of people without degrees are brilliant.  

    Bravo!  Well said Lad!
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #177 on: July 10, 2023, 12:31:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Always on July 10, 2023, 12:27:30 PM
    Do your own homework or you may want take a shortcut and communicate with Dr. Sungenis personally: cairomeo@aol.com

    Don't care enough.  
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #178 on: July 10, 2023, 12:37:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 10, 2023, 12:19:55 PM
    I reviewed the link briefly, and I think that both sides have a point.  When Dr. Sungenis says that he was a "Physics Major", that's generally taken to mean that someone completed the Major and got the degree, and not just took 1-2 classes in the Major or that it was their declared Major during the first year.  So that does suggest some exaggeration by implication but seems to be technically true.

    I for one don't care about whether or not he has a science degree.  Lots of people with degrees are morons, and lots of people without degrees are brilliant.  NASA and modern science are overall a bunch of garbage, and to me when I see a mainstream "scientist," the only sense I have is that the individual has likely been programmed and brainwashed into mainstream science, the same way that a lot of Doctors have been brainwashed about certain aspects of modern medicine, including vaccination.  I can make the same analogy in other fields.  I knew a guy with an advanced degree in Catholic Theology who, I kid you not, when I mentioned St. Thomas Aquinas, said, "Who's that?"

    I don't care either. Credentials often amount to a whole lot of nothing. It's whether Sungenis lied about them or his education.  Either way, he's on the wrong track.         
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    Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
    « Reply #179 on: July 10, 2023, 01:25:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tradman on July 10, 2023, 12:31:27 PM

    Don't care enough. 
    That figures.
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