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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2019, 05:06:54 AM »
'So, until the details about the Creation are formulated and dogmatized by the Church, I don’t think anyone is in heresy for suggesting that evoution is a theory.'--- Sungenis.

Incredible, isn't it. The Catholic Church, 2019 years in operation and there is no dogma about how God created the world and all that is in it. Over 3000 years since Genesis was written, and in spite of Church teaching that every word of the Bible is true, only that God created the soul of Adam is upheld as a dogma. Did anyone ever notice when offering evolution as a possibility, even the evolution of Adam's body, one soul or two souls  - for that is what discussion is - the body of Eve never gets a mention.

Time was other worlds and aliens was condemned as heretical but today it can be argued because there is not dogma on aliens then popes can now entertain the idea that aliens exist, opening up all sorts of fairy tales in association to human existence, Original Sin, the need for a Redeemer, the ONLY SON OF GOD, and Heaven.  Yeh, fancy meeting Aliens in Heavenand even a few million other redeemers, the other sons and daughters of God. The Brunos used to say God is infinite so he must have shown this by creating an infinite number of worlds like ours. This was one of the heresies Bruno was burned at the stake for, but today Pope Francis can say he would baptise a Martian if he, she, or it asked for it. Such contradictions make Catholicism today a joke and one of the reasons few can take it seriously anymore.

The fact that evolution is nonsense, simple nonsense, makes no difference, Catholics can now 'discuss' nonsense by way of papal teachings, so long as they are not official teachings. Now a religion that indulges in nonsense is not my idea of a religion that professes infallible truth. or clarity. No, Catholicism with evolution and aliens in not true Catholicism.

In other words Catholicism has undergone a Galilean reformation, and that is what reformations do. Once popes believed the papal decree of 1616, admitted by the Holy office to be irreformable in 1820, was in error - NO POPE SINCE DARED TO DOGMATISE ANYTHING THAT 'SCIENCE' MÍGHT PROVE LATER TO BE IN ERROR. This of course gave licence for that Big Bang and atheistic evolution to be a possibility of God's creation even though it contradicted the creation as Moses described in Genesis. And that is why Catholicism as a religion of faith in an omnipotent God who created all in the beginning, all perfect and in working order, has now been replaced with an EVOLVED RELIGION.


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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2019, 11:19:16 AM »
'So, until the details about the Creation are formulated and dogmatized by the Church, I don’t think anyone is in heresy for suggesting that evoution is a theory.'--- Sungenis.

Incredible, isn't it. The Catholic Church, 2019 years in operation and there is no dogma about how God created the world and all that is in it. Over 3000 years since Genesis was written, and in spite of Church teaching that every word of the Bible is true, only that God created the soul of Adam is upheld as a dogma. Did anyone ever notice when offering evolution as a possibility, even the evolution of Adam's body, one soul or two souls  - for that is what discussion is - the body of Eve never gets a mention.

Time was other worlds and aliens was condemned as heretical but today it can be argued because there is not dogma on aliens then popes can now entertain the idea that aliens exist, opening up all sorts of fairy tales in association to human existence, Original Sin, the need for a Redeemer, the ONLY SON OF GOD, and Heaven.  Yeh, fancy meeting Aliens in Heavenand even a few million other redeemers, the other sons and daughters of God. The Brunos used to say God is infinite so he must have shown this by creating an infinite number of worlds like ours. This was one of the heresies Bruno was burned at the stake for, but today Pope Francis can say he would baptise a Martian if he, she, or it asked for it. Such contradictions make Catholicism today a joke and one of the reasons few can take it seriously anymore.

The fact that evolution is nonsense, simple nonsense, makes no difference, Catholics can now 'discuss' nonsense by way of papal teachings, so long as they are not official teachings. Now a religion that indulges in nonsense is not my idea of a religion that professes infallible truth. or clarity. No, Catholicism with evolution and aliens in not true Catholicism.

In other words Catholicism has undergone a Galilean reformation, and that is what reformations do. Once popes believed the papal decree of 1616, admitted by the Holy office to be irreformable in 1820, was in error - NO POPE SINCE DARED TO DOGMATISE ANYTHING THAT 'SCIENCE' MÍGHT PROVE LATER TO BE IN ERROR. This of course gave licence for that Big Bang and atheistic evolution to be a possibility of God's creation even though it contradicted the creation as Moses described in Genesis. And that is why Catholicism as a religion of faith in an omnipotent God who created all in the beginning, all perfect and in working order, has now been replaced with an EVOLVED RELIGION.


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Excellent post Cassini!

Of course, we are not abandoning the Catholic Faith/Church, but we including Sungenis do NOT accept the errors which the heads of the Catholic Church have (in their disoriented state? and that's perhaps stating it way too kindly) allowed to be tossed about in the Church, errors which do not have the official Magisterial backing of the Catholic Church, but errors which nevertheless have been allowed the unofficial de facto backing of that Church and which have caused and continue to cause incalculable damage to Christ's Mystical Body.  May that we all continue to pray and sacrifice for the Consecration of Russia!

As an aside, many believe that the Consecration if done "in time" will prevent a universal physical chastisement (i.e., "fire from the sky").  I, for one, believe that it may well be that we eventually have a Consecration immediately or very shortly thereafter FOLLOWED by a universal physical chastisement.  In any case, I think the world has become so evil that we are going to get a major universal physical chastisement regardless of whenever the Consecration of Russia is carried out.  God is not mocked!


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Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2019, 03:37:00 PM »
That book looks interesting.

I am a Geocentrist myself.  "Galileo Was Wrong" and "The Principle" convinced me. Actually, I favored "GWW" over The Principle. It was fascinating and made a very good case which leaves you speechless.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2019, 09:58:27 PM »
 Actually, I favored "GWW" over The Principle. It was fascinating and made a very good case which leaves you speechless.
Amen.  I did as well.

The Principle which was originally intended to be a movie strictly promoting geocentrism got subverted into one trying to present a "balanced both sides" picture of the Copernican Principle.  It was a great movie in some respects, but unfortunately it was what it was -- a Hollywood/Catholicism hybrid.

One of its most serious flaws in my opinion was letting the falsehood based smear against the Catholic Church (i.e., the Bruno Affair) go unanswered.

Ironically, I for one, think it would have done significantly better at the Box Office if it had been a straight out 100% scientific based  endorsement of geocentrism.  They could have saved a lot of production costs by skipping most, if not all, of the interviews and just given a much more clear and unambiguous presentation of the case for geocentrism.

Re: New Geocentrism Book by Robert Sungenis
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2019, 01:28:08 PM »
Geocentrism was clearly the position of Catholics through most of our history (into the 1700s) and given explicit support by the Church.  I would expect any traditional Catholic, even those who do not personally accept geocentrism, to at least treat it with respect.  This is quite different from the idea of flat earth, which only had some support during the first centuries of the Church and was not part of Catholic thinking for most of our history.  There is no good reason to associate belief in flat earth with Catholicism.

But any Catholic ought to be dismayed by the current secularism.  In the minds of many, perhaps most, science takes the place of God and this is very very wrong.  It is idolatry.
Are you sure?  They always taught us in public school that people used to think the Earth was flat, especially at the time of Christopher Columbus.