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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2018, 08:35:17 PM »
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  • Sea curvature? Quite a stretch.  Not even NASA says "sea curvature".  In fact, no one at all says it or suggests it.  Always and everywhere it is known as sea level.  Water surface does not 'curve'.
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    The oceans of the world have the same curvature that the earth does.
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    The periscope images I provided clearly show it.
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    Many moving pictures shot over the oceans show it as well.
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    You're living in a fantasy world. Wake up!
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #16 on: February 20, 2018, 09:00:50 PM »
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    The oceans of the world have the same curvature that the earth does.
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    The periscope images I provided clearly show it.
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    Many moving pictures shot over the oceans show it as well.
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    You're living in a fantasy world. Wake up!
    Nothing about the preceding shows that the ocean curves.  Water cannot settle into a curve over the extent its surface.  That would mean the middle of the curve exceeds the height of water at the beaches.   ::)      


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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #17 on: February 20, 2018, 09:05:50 PM »
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    Nothing about the preceding shows that the ocean curves.  Water cannot settle into a curve over the extent its surface.  That would mean the middle of the curve exceeds the height of water at the beaches.   ::)      
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    How about this? Still can't manage to see the curve in the ocean's surface?
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    Earth's Horizon


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    Curvature of the Earth
    Courtesy of NASA, ISS Expedition 7 Crew
    http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-7/html/iss007e10807.html

    The curvature of the Earth can be seen in this photograph taken by a crew member on board the International Space Station (ISS), Expedition 7. The anvil tops of thunderclouds are visible as the Sun sets over the Pacific Ocean.
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    Earth's Horizon


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    Solar Eclipse From Space
    Copyright: CNES
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070610.html

    This photo was taken from the Mir Space Station August 11, 1999 during a solar eclipse. The dark area is the shadow of the Moon. It moves across the the surface at a speed of nearly 2,000 kilometers per hour. Only people in the dark center of the shadow will see a total solar eclipse, everyone else will see a partial solar eclipse.

    The two bright "stars" in the upper left are possibly Jupiter and Saturn, but this could not be verified.

    The Mir Space Station was destroyed in 2001 when it returned to Earth in a controlled re-entry.
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    Soundly Shows Flat-Earthers the Curve
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    In a rather devastating series of videos and high-resolution photographs Soundly has shown the best evidence for the curvature over the horizon I've seen [Soundly's Google Drive] - thanks to a very long line of equal height towers that stretch over a portion of Lake Pontchartrain.  His first Video includes extended details about exactly where the images were taken.

    Observation Height: about 40' above water on the bridge
    North Side: Approximate Location: 30° 4'42.40"N, 90°24'20.98"W
    South Side: Approximate Location: 30° 4'38.71"N, 90°24'12.66"W
    Tall Background Tower (210' - ORS# 22-001038 ): 30°17'37.59"N, 90°18'38.64"W

    IMG_4118 is my personal favorite of the images, which I color balanced and notated - including the perspective lines for the towers.

    Where those lines converge is where the horizon would be IF Earth was flat.  That is how the "Vanishing Point" for parallel lines works.  The fact that the horizon is BELOW that point and the fact that the towers clearly fall below these lines shows you the water surface is curved.

    ----------Translation:  The author drew the fine red lines along the tower tops and bases which converge at a point in the sky on the left in the distance, the vanishing point.
    The towers only appear to be in line in the foreground (but if you look closely you can see they're diverging there too), but in the distance they most obviously curve downward following the curvature of the earth.
    The first 4 towers touch the top red line but tower 5 does not, and 6 is further down, and 7 more, and so on.
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #18 on: February 20, 2018, 09:33:12 PM »
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  • How you can  say that something which the majority of human beings accepted for thousands of years will lead to a decline is beyond me.


    Well it's getting that the majority of people accept Dawninism, albeit not yet thousands of years, but
    will that then become truth?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #19 on: February 20, 2018, 10:28:48 PM »
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  • This explains at least why you don't post on flat earth.

    The only decline will be in your mind as more and more people around you become flat earth and you obstinately refuse it.

    How you can  say that something which the majority of human beings accepted for thousands of years will lead to a decline is beyond me.

    But that is the power of globe-think
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    It's patently false that people accepted flat-earthism for thousands of years.
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    But even if they had, what good would that be in the face of modern equipment?
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    Did people thousands of years ago have telescopes?
    or laser levels and distance measuring devices?
    or aircraft?
    or rockets?
    or photography?
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    Short answer: No.
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    So regardless of what they thought about the shape of the earth, they weren't qualified in the first place.
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #20 on: February 21, 2018, 11:34:16 AM »
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    How about this? Still can't manage to see the curve in the ocean's surface?
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    Earth's Horizon


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    Curvature of the Earth


    If those are the right images I remember, then it is because the lines are not in a straight line going out. This is why they appear to "bend" over the curvature. It could also be atmospheric distortion.
    Courtesy of NASA, ISS Expedition 7 Crew
    http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-7/html/iss007e10807.html

    The curvature of the Earth can be seen in this photograph taken by a crew member on board the International Space Station (ISS), Expedition 7. The anvil tops of thunderclouds are visible as the Sun sets over the Pacific Ocean.
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    Earth's Horizon


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    Solar Eclipse From Space
    Copyright: CNES
    http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070610.html

    This photo was taken from the Mir Space Station August 11, 1999 during a solar eclipse. The dark area is the shadow of the Moon. It moves across the the surface at a speed of nearly 2,000 kilometers per hour. Only people in the dark center of the shadow will see a total solar eclipse, everyone else will see a partial solar eclipse.

    The two bright "stars" in the upper left are possibly Jupiter and Saturn, but this could not be verified.

    The Mir Space Station was destroyed in 2001 when it returned to Earth in a controlled re-entry.
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    Soundly Shows Flat-Earthers the Curve
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    In a rather devastating series of videos and high-resolution photographs Soundly has shown the best evidence for the curvature over the horizon I've seen [Soundly's Google Drive] - thanks to a very long line of equal height towers that stretch over a portion of Lake Pontchartrain.  His first Video includes extended details about exactly where the images were taken.

    Observation Height: about 40' above water on the bridge
    North Side: Approximate Location: 30° 4'42.40"N, 90°24'20.98"W
    South Side: Approximate Location: 30° 4'38.71"N, 90°24'12.66"W
    Tall Background Tower (210' - ORS# 22-001038 ): 30°17'37.59"N, 90°18'38.64"W

    IMG_4118 is my personal favorite of the images, which I color balanced and notated - including the perspective lines for the towers.

    Where those lines converge is where the horizon would be IF Earth was flat.  That is how the "Vanishing Point" for parallel lines works.  The fact that the horizon is BELOW that point and the fact that the towers clearly fall below these lines shows you the water surface is curved.

    ----------Translation:  The author drew the fine red lines along the tower tops and bases which converge at a point in the sky on the left in the distance, the vanishing point.
    The towers only appear to be in line in the foreground (but if you look closely you can see they're diverging there too), but in the distance they most obviously curve downward following the curvature of the earth.
    The first 4 towers touch the top red line but tower 5 does not, and 6 is further down, and 7 more, and so on.
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    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth

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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #21 on: February 21, 2018, 11:36:03 AM »
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  • Well it's getting that the majority of people accept Dawninism, albeit not yet thousands of years, but
    will that then become truth?

    Our forefathers, with all their faults were a lot wiser than us.

    Iphones and boeing 747's don't make us better.

    We are in the most decadent society the world has ever seen.
    "....I am at a loss what to say respecting those who, when they have once erred, consistently persevere in their folly, and defend one vain thing by another" - Church Father Lactentius on the globe earth

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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #22 on: February 21, 2018, 01:07:45 PM »
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  • Our forefathers, with all their faults were a lot wiser than us.

    Iphones and boeing 747's don't make us better.

    We are in the most decadent society the world has ever seen.
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    You're getting all confused, mixing morality and ethics with physical laws of nature.
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    The physics of a proton has nothing to do with ethics.
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    The physical dimensions and parameters of the earth is not a matter of good vs. evil.
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    The moral depravity of our current age is not a barometer of our current ability to assess physical reality.
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    I agree that in antiquity there were men with far more wisdom in moral matters than can be found today.
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    It is as though the popular trend has been pushed toward eschewing the moral wisdom of the ancients.
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    But don't get that mixed up with the advances we have made in mechanical engineering and manufacturing.
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    There are two extremes, both of which are erroneous:
    -- One erroneous extreme says that modern scientists like Hawking can be entrusted with making credible pronouncements on the morality of using nuclear energy in the prosecution of a war. Their proficiency in physics actually gives them no qualification to make any such moral judgments.
    -- The other erroneous extreme says that because of our moral decadence, modern scientists and engineers cannot be believed when they assess entirely physical realities such as the distance from Earth, to the moon, to Jupiter, to Mars, or to the sun; or that just because what the specific mechanisms of magnetism or gravity are isn't known we therefore are unable to make use of magnetic fields or the forces of gravitational fields.
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    You can compare this situation to the modern practice of medicine. A medical doctor might have no idea of how the aging process is tied up with certain mysterious processes in the mitochondria, but he can still administer the correct precise amount of a particular drug to induce a safe, temporary sleep for surgery. 
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    In ancient times there was a wise Greek physician named Hyppocrites, after whom was named the Hyppocratic Oath. 
    Doctors have traditionally adhered to this as a moral basis for their practice.
    But in recent years, the conflict between ancient wisdom and our currently increasing moral decadence has risen to the point where modern medical students no longer have to be concerned with accepting this moral foundation -- or by refusing it risk losing professional credibility. Because modern doctors are no longer required to adhere to the Hyppocratic Oath.
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #23 on: February 21, 2018, 01:21:15 PM »
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  • Neil posted NASA fake photos.

    Here's a real photo from Parkland HS:


    https://imgur.com/LYcnJdn

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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 12:18:47 AM »
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  • Neil posted NASA fake photos.

    Here's a real photo from Parkland HS:


    https://imgur.com/LYcnJdn
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    Fake photos don't "prove" anything!!
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #25 on: February 23, 2018, 12:48:36 AM »
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    This is a video made to show the looming effect of inferior images change constantly.
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    Watch the shoreline on the far side of the water in the foreground, especially in the second half of the video.
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    The video starts in the morning when the air over land is relatively cool, but watch what happens as temperatures warm up aloft and the temperatures above the ground increase.   If you have motion sickness, beware!   The imagery is going to heave and distort in time.
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #26 on: February 23, 2018, 12:45:40 PM »
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    This is a video made to show the looming effect of inferior images change constantly.
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    Watch the shoreline on the far side of the water in the foreground, especially in the second half of the video.
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    The video starts in the morning when the air over land is relatively cool, but watch what happens as temperatures warm up aloft and the temperatures above the ground increase.   If you have motion sickness, beware!   The imagery is going to heave and distort in time.

    Can you explain what this is supposed to demonstrate?  There was certainly some visual distortion from time to time due to the heat.  What are the implications?

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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #27 on: February 23, 2018, 01:21:04 PM »
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  • I'm waiting for the curved ocean photo.

    Still waiting. ..

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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #28 on: February 23, 2018, 01:26:06 PM »
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  • Can you explain what this is supposed to demonstrate?  There was certainly some visual distortion from time to time due to the heat.  What are the implications?
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    The distortion is not merely "the heat" but the effect of LAYERS of air at different temperatures and humidity.
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    Did you go to the source page and read it? Evidently not.
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    Let me give you then something the source page doesn't manage to spell out. Since the series of images recorded over a period of a whole day (at one frame every 4 minutes) clearly shows that the height of buildings located just past the shoreline opposite the water body in the foreground grows and shrinks in what appears to be waves, anyone can cherry-pick the images one wishes to use out of such a series, such that only the ones that fit the current agenda need be shown. That is to say, if you want to claim that the buildings appear close you can select only the frames with very tall images for the buildings. If you want to claim that the buildings appear far away, you can cherry-pick the frames with very short images for the buildings. Likewise, if you want to say there is no curvature over the water or that there is no reflection inherent in such views, you can choose only the frames showing medium height buildings, claiming that the building heights are without question consistent with heights photographed from a point just offshore across the water, "proving" the earth is flat! But it in fact doesn't prove any such thing.
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    Re: Inferior Image Experiment - Conducted Without Bias - Earth is Not Flat!
    « Reply #29 on: February 23, 2018, 01:30:07 PM »
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  • I'm waiting for the curved ocean photo.

    Still waiting. ..
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    While you're waiting you could post more fake photos from you favorite imgur site where no data is ever provided.
    Then you can continue to complain when other members don't give all the data that you never give.
    Sound like a plan? Oh, never mind, it's already in progress, right.
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